• jagermo@feddit.org
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    Oh, and thanks to the 2m toll, we are now all paying to rebuild Iran and its arsenal of weapons while the regime was able to tighten its grip.

    Plus, Putin got to refill bis war chest to extend suffering in Ukraine.

    Well done, Donald, well done.

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    Dont forget, Trump dismantled Obamas negotiations during Trumps first term because…Obama did it. Everything leading to this point has been Trumps fault

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        Well, no one is laughing now, so I guess President Pedophile got what he wanted.

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      I’ll say it again. We had a deal that Trump pulled us out of. It’s almost as bad as killing off a vulnerable part of the population to save a couple bucks on a pandemic response team.

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    Yeah, but at least Trump is openly bigoted so other bigots can feel empowered to be openly bigoted.

    At least we got that.

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    Definitely had better relations with Iran under Obama.

    However, Obama was bombing seven countries (that we know of) in 2016 and the media reported that the US had dropped 20,000 tons of bombs just in that last year of his presidency. (Again, that we know of.) Obama is the only president, that we know of, who bombed American citizens.

    Pretending Donald and Obama weren’t cut from the same cloth doesn’t really make sense. Obama loved bloodying his hands too.

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      I don’t think I could ever view Obama and Trump as being similar just in the same way I could never view Pope Benedict and Pope Francis as similar. Too many differences to set them apart.

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        To an extent, similarities come down to structural and organizational problems rather than individual preferences or character.

        A random, well-meaning person on the street, thrown into the role of president, would likely wind up doing war crimes. Someone experienced comes up and puts a plan on your desk and says they just need you to sign off on an operation, gives you a nightmare scenario about a terrorist attack, you have a million things to do as president and don’t want to make enemies, how skeptically are you really gonna look at that plan?

        Back in the 50’s, after Truman created the CIA, Allan Dulles and Winston Churchill tried to convince him to covertly oust Iran’s prime minister. Truman, who had dealt with Mossadegh and saw the Brits act like asshole colonizers during negotiations, told them to get fucked and that the CIA wasn’t supposed to be in the business of overthrowing democratically elected leaders.

        But the Eisenhower came in. Iran was way down his list of priorities, the only perspectives he was getting were from Dulles and Churchill, so he basically just said, alright, do whatever you were going to do. And the Iranians got fucked out of their democracy. It’s only gotten worse since then, and nobody can be at expert about everything.

        Like, the US struggles to elect people who are not actively malevolent and making the problem worse, and the bar is so fucking low, but the structure around the office of president is so fucked and filled with these absolute ghouls, that until that changes, it hardly matters if the office is occupied by a saint.

        And it’s kinda the same story with the papacy. The Catholic Church is fucked on an institutional level. Nice pope, mean pope, whatever, that one individual can only make so much of a difference.

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          I don’t care who’s ballz. If you make a bad faith argument in the form of a whataboutism there is no point in making a good faith argument. All that remains in ballz. Which imo includes all forms of gonads.

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      Pretty sure Obama got the prize long before the JCPOA. Which was why it was so stupid.