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the US system is broken, this is what happens when there is only two choices 🥲
So you have an average normal politician running against literally Hitler. And people vote for literally Hitler.
And you don’t think the problem is the people voting for literally Hitler?
Don’t get me wrong, the US voting system is also bad. But that is really, really not the main problem here…
IMO the bigger problem is that the “average normal politician” managed to be so bad that voters didn’t feel motivated to vote against Hitler.
This should have been a slam dunk - and there were literally a number of easy ways to motivate voters, like promising to stop the ongoing genocide the country is funding. But when given the choice between “letting Hitler win” and “stopping the genocide”, Harris and the entire DNC leadership chose to let Hitler win.
Isn’t that deeply fucked up?
It was a slam dunk. I still know trump supporters who think everything negative said about him is a lie. Why did this never happen in human history before (an unrelenting smear campaign running for over a decade against an innocent man)? Meh I dunno something about woke.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Harris’s win obviously wasn’t a slam dunk, she lost.
yeah but she COULD have won retroactively if we browbeat people who already vote blue for the next ten years about it
Yeah… Were totally mad at people who voted blue. You’re so right. 😬
I meant she was the obvious choice to anyone with >3 working neurons.
She was! But since a rather large portion of the US public seems to have 0-3 neurons, it’s not enough to be the obvious choice for everyone else.
Harris and her campaign knew this. They had polls clearly showing that she’s so bad at motivating voters that she’ll likely lose.
No, it was the voters fault that Harris decided to fish for the republican vote by shifting more to the right in her rhetoric. Those stupid people should have voted blue no matter who!
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your whole comment is provably false. claming the attack on the 7. was a genocide is laughably false.
do not forget that Israel has made gaza a concentration camp long before that time.
claming the attack on the 7. was a genocide is laughably false.
I linked a source (Well, a wiki article which itself link sources). You spew bullshit.
you linked the wikipedia article. it’s allegations. if you had read it you would first notice that the allegations are about “intent” and genocide. As the power imbalance is laughably.
The empire long called the rebellion murderes with genocidal intent. When the rebellion hit what they could, the empire killed their own to avoid hostages. The empire then told all that the rebels had murdered babies and made up other lies to make the rebels look bad.
it’s allegations.
So are the current allegations against Israel, right?
To be more than allegations, there would have to be a ICC judgement in either case, I think?
As the power imbalance is laughably.
Just because you are laughably weak, it does not mean you can’t do evil.
A wiki page listing people who have called it a genocide doesn’t exactly prove that it was one, and regardless the israelis have long been oppressing the people in gaza, including illegally capturing land by force for many years, so them striking back would be less a genocide and more an act of war, a warcrime in this instance as they largely attacked civillians, but so does israel which is why both the leader of hamas and israel are wanted war criminals
It’s like saying the slave revolts in ancient rome were genocides because the slaves were attacking romans, who else were they supposed to attack? And could you really blame them for striking back at their oppressors?
Ideally it would have been resolved peacefully but the international community turned a blind eye to what was happening, and israel sure as hell wasn’t about to stop out of the kindness of their heart
“Gaza did a genocide in Israel” is actually fucking insane.
It’s not insane, it’s a rhetorical tactic. “OK, fine, Israel is doing a genocide - but they did it to us first!”.
That is not how it started shut the fuuuck up.
Funding a genocide is not normal.
Average normal politicians don’t give Hitler weapons to commit genocide.
What do you mean? Hitler committed genocide, so Hitler was given the weapons. And Hitler was given the authority for those weapons through a democratic process, by way of average normal politicians (Paul von Hindenburg, specifically).
I mean Netanyahu is Hitler and they were giving him weapons. That’s not what normal does.
If you had this system in Europe you would not like the results. Best outcome: 200 years of middle of the road conservative shit Christian party
Yeah, I agree. If this can ever happen all you can really say is that us culture is cancer.
Considering how land has more political power than people in the US, the voting system is still a major issue.
If we had the National Popular Vote for US elections, then more people living in deep blue states would have more reason to show up to vote when their candidate already is going to win by well over double digit points in their state.
When low population states are overrepresented in Senate and Presidential elections, then we can end up in a ruled by the minority situation.
It really is a fundamentally broken system.
The system is not broken. It’s functioning exactly as intended.
Gosh darn it, if only the good cop got their way they wouldn’t have treated me like this.
Yes but more importantly this is what happens when people are so ignorant and uneducated that someone like Trump makes it past a humiliating response to a social media post about him considering a run for president. Then he is a horrible president, killing thousands of citizens through negligence, commits an insurrection, and voters are like “I dunno he’s not that bad. He’s male at least”
More importantly, he should have been charged for all the crimes he did in his first term. Shouldn’t have even been able to run from his prison cell, or at least not between all the court cases he’d need to be worrying about.
SCOTUS ruled that the POTUS cant be charged with literal crimes while in office, so…yeah.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that happened after Trump was reelected, meaning there were four whole years of Biden as president where he was never prosecuted.
Because he didn’t lose the 2020 election remember, Biden stole it. So therefore he never left office and was covered.
/s
Truthfully, I’m not sure why it seemed to be retroactively applied to his first term. Reality is probably because its all fucking corrupt so of course it did.
Sadly, similar stuff does happen even when you have more parties.
In my opinion, what’s happening here is that the policies of the parties do not align with the opinions of the public. If you care about not doing a genocide, there wasn’t a candidate to vote for last cycle. If you care about universal health care, there wasn’t a candidate to vote for. And so on.
And you can measure this. Research has been carried out into the congruence between policy and public opinion in the US. For example, in the paper Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens, it was found that the impact the average American (as a group) has on policy is miniscule compared to the influence of economic elites. You and I don’t benefit from invading Iran, but the owning class sure does, so that’s what we do. All this is independent of who’s in charge.
And so now you might rightly theorize that since there are only two parties, the democrats can fully cater to billionaires, as long as they’re less bad than the republicans. And as time goes on they move further and further right, since they really don’t have to care about voters, because the only other party consists of actual demons, and people will vote for them anyway.
However, you see this effect (the wealthy having a disproportionate amount of influence on policy) in pluralistic systems as well. Norway has about 9 major political parties, yet the study Affluence and Influence in a Social Democracy finds that here too, the rich have an outsized influence. Similar studies exist for other western European countries, most of which (if not all) have more than two major parties.
So I don’t think the root of the problem is the two party system (although I’m sure it doesn’t help).
Was it REALLY so fucking impossible to have this?
So, Dems, get it right the next time please. We can’t afford more of this shit.
And, fellow leftists, don’t ever let anyone ever make you feel guilty for opposing genocide.
Please stop. This is disingenuous trash. No one concerned about Israel said vote for him.
Can we get the fuck over this pointless nonsense, consign her to history, and do something about what’s happening now, please?
No, we’re going to spend every day from now through the next presidential primary bashing nonexistent, Trump-supporting leftists because that’s how you build your electoral base 🙄
Don’t forget the sternly worded letters. REVOLUTION, but peacefully. :|
I dunno, that word “sternly” makes me queasy.
/s
What’s happening now is groundwork for shoving AIPAC down people’s throats come midterms. That’s why we suddenly see a flood of these posts.
fuck the midterms, if you wait for them we already lost, get involved in the primaries, that’s how we oust AIPAC.
otherwise, come midterms, there will only be AIPAC candidates
Yeah it’s some genius Zionist plot of course
No need for a plot. Just standard issue Blue MAGA prepping excuses for why they will have had no choice.
I mean clinton WAS in the eipstein files lmao.
Yeah can we all just forget about the world’s stupidest voters and that the propagandists successfully convinced people to commit the most brain dead self-own in the history of humanity? All we have to do now is the simple task of destroying the world’s most powerful evil cunts who could’ve easily been denied power if people’s brains were operating at even 15% capacity.
who could’ve easily been denied power if people’s brains were operating at even 15% capacity.
No, who could’ve continued operating in the back rooms while their more polite servants get on TV and whinge about how there’s nothing they can do to improve things even with majorities in both houses and the Presidency. But at least they’d have the decency to keep the slurs in those back rooms and only murder brown kids so you could go back to brunch in peace.
They would have done more than fuck all for the people in Gaza.
Let’s enable the opposite extreme then, get some one in power that does everything Netanyahu says including some harebrained idea of bombing Iran a bit and the rest will fall in place.
If it’s got you out of your brunch spot and in the streets protesting US imperialism then it’s already done more than four years of Kopmala would have.
Seriously no one gives a shit about brunch. That “gotcha” was stale five years ago. I mean shit even if I ever liked brunch it’s too expensive now to even do. And regardless the implication you’re making is that everyone not exactly aligned with you doesn’t care about the future and spends all their time doing frivolous shit. And you make this implication on the most intense doom scrolling platform the world has ever seen. You probably could not find another community on the Internet so full of people who actually care.
This idiotic idea that we all can just magically fix this needs to die. Just fucking stop it already. We are fucked. We cannot overthrow the government. Protests probably wouldn’t work regardless but every time there is one you psychos cannot wait to shit on them. Just fucking stop it. Find someone else to torture you sadistic fucks. We get it you read Das Kapital and you think you’re superior. You’re not. You’re probably no better than mediocre if even that. So just fucking stop it and get a life or at least a better hobby.
And regardless the implication you’re making is that everyone not exactly aligned with you doesn’t care about the future and spends all their time doing frivolous shit.
Not everyone, just the ones who attend “protests” on weekends that have police permits and march with people carrying signs that say “If Kamala has won we’d be at brunch”.
Because we know that. You don’t understand what the problem is, so you let the people profiting from the problem convince you that the real problem is that the “good guys” lost the election rather than the fact that there are no good guys and the people selling the narrative steal a little more from you every administration regardless of which team of Wall St Fellating shitbags won the big game. Elections in the US are just more bread and circuses, the Epstein class owns both parties tip to tail.
Ah, the classic bRuNcH tankie bullshit. I am so owned.
Must be, since you couldn’t address any of the actual substance of what I said and had to nit pick a bit of hyperbole.
Yes it is indeed true that everyone a millimeter to the right of you is evil and is legally required to argue the same shit with you every day of their lives forever. /s
Your stance would be believable of you’d just ignored what I said. You felt the need to respond, but don’t have the capacity to respond to the substance. So you pick a line of hyperbole and argue passionately against that. It’d be funny if there weren’t 300 million people just like you helping destroy the world so they can go watch the game in peace.
I will never ever ever ever again waste time trying to argue facts with bad faith dipshits. In fact I’m blocking your incredibly bad faith sadistic bullshit ass.
Get on it, America! You’ve got the guns!
I hope this is sarcasm
Do you? How odd.
What’s odd is how a bunch of (mentally teenaged) idiots think we’re going to overthrow the most militarized government in history with some rifles
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You’re incapable of rational adult thinking
Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. I refuse to end up sitting around in 2040 earnestly arguing in favor of a candidate who is more right-wing than trump, but slightly less right-wing than their contemporary opponent. I will not run defense for a conservative regardless of the letter next to their name
True, but this shit is just moaning about the past, though.
if anyone can, join the dems and vote in the primaries to make sure no AIPAC candidate survives.
probably the most important and meaningful things any American can do.
also do so for Republicans if you’re racistly inclined
Exactly!
Sure, as soon as the usual suspects stop posting edgy “both sides” bullshit, we can move on.
We’ll stop that as soon as you purge all the traitors from your party who care more about fellating Wall St than starving kids, and care more about Israeli settlers apartheid health care than their own constituents dying in the streets. When both sides aren’t basically the same except for the ten or so designated culture war issues we’ll stop saying both sides are the same.
I love how you say “purge” 🤣. It’s so not stalinist
I love how you only ever respond to the vibe of something and not what was actually said, it’s so totally Schumerist.
Brother she ain’t running no more. What are you fucking talking about?
People not voting for her is why we’re where we are today.
Kamala losing is like part 250 of a 250 part shitshow that started with Reagan and that is why we’re here. You’re just conscious enough to be around for this latest bit and aren’t taught the previous ones in school, makes ya think?
Or maybe the fact that killing innocent children in Gaza was more important to her than winning the election is why we’re here today.
Damn didn’t know people standing up to genocide are the reason we are still letting Israel genocide people. TIL.
What an utterly simplistic and reactionary statement.
Genocide is non negotiable. If you think it is, I hope you’re prepared to defend your property when the fascists comes to take it for themselves like they’re doing in the West Bank.
Praise Allah for killing the petro dollar though
Shame too many people are willfully ignorant to the blood on their hands.
Isn’t she considering running next elections?
I voted for Kamala. But her weak spine-ass would’ve let Israel do the exact same thing to Palestinians. She said she wouldn’t be any different from Biden, and we know Biden was a huge Zionist.
Of course though, Democrats will clutch their pearls even to this day saying that it was someone else’s fault as to why she lost. No it fucking wasn’t. Kamala had the MOST support immediately after Biden backed out. She even brought Tim Walz on board who seemed decently progressive at the time. And then Dems started capitulating to the Right. It was sickening to hear at the DNC, “the world’s strongest military”.
And then just yesterday, the DNC votes to block a resolution condemning dark money, including AIPAC, in elections. Establishment Dems are cancer in my eyes. We know Republicans are evil, so Democrats should be the ideological opposite - yet they aren’t. They let Republicans get away.
We urgently need Ranked Choice Voting (RCV) in this country so we can finally break free of these horrendous 2 choices. Or we don’t and stochastic terrorism rises because politicians refuse to curtail corporations and people suffer more and more financially.
How many times do I have to say it? The party lines are drawn in such a way to distract you from the actual cancer of late stage capitalism. Yeah yeah, “vote blue no matter who”. How about “educate your neighbors no matter who” to get some actual fucking change instead if this ridiculous in-fighting?
awesome, i received my first threat on lemmy bc of this meme
This is stupid people who didn’t like Kamala because the was a genocide enabler weren’t saying vote Trump wtf.
And anyway shit’s over. This finger wagging told-ya-so bullshit is less than worthless. It’s abundantly clear you can still lose to the worst person alive if people don’t like you… So maybe force the Dems to run someone decent or make the Dems disappear. You’re not gonna shame the electorate into the lesser of two evils crap, how have you not seen this yet? Regardless of how logical you think it is or how right you think you are. I think it’s clear it’s not working.
In the neo-liberal brain and rhetoric that’s how they have to argue to get you to swallow the poison of the “lesser evil.”
Dude could actually nuke Iran and kill millions and dumb assholes online still wouldn’t concede that he is and was obviously the worse evil.
Edit: think I’m wrong? Think I’m exaggerating? Read the rest of the thread
The difference between terrible and more terrible is a thin line. If you think the world is only binary choices then you’re the type of person leftist rail against. There’s more choices but Democrats would have you believe there isn’t.
Not in this voting system there isn’t. I don’t know why online third party cranks are so fucking abysmal at game theory. It’s blatantly obvious that only two outcomes are possible on general election day but you lot think you can manifest third party viability through shit posting.
It’s not game theory when you see the two parties as the same side of the same coin which is what people like you fail to realize. Let me put it this way, there are Democrats still voting FOR Trump appointees, and it’s not a few of them. If they’re really “The Resistance” like they want us to think they can start but not voting with the fascists. But hey, blue no matter who, right?
It’s not game theory when you see the two parties as the same side of the same coin which is what people like you fail to realize.
Same side of the same coin? That is…not the expression.
I’m pretty sure Trump could actually nuke Iran and you’d still be on here talking about how Harris would’ve been bad…exactly how I was saying in my first response.
There’s a time to vote for an alternative in the US system. That time is during the primary. If you actually gave a shit you’d be advocating for ranked choice, a change to the funding system of elections, or both. But nope, you’re just another one of Trump’s useful idiots.
Yes, because evil is still evil. What in the living fuck do you not understand supporting Harris was still supporting Israel as well. Jesus fucking christ you people tire the fuck out of me with your inane vote blue no matter who lesser of two evils bullshit. As long as you continue to play with their games they’ll continue to never improve. So you can continue and hope for harm reduction or not vote, campaign for those you would like to actually see and refuse to vote for those you don’t like at all. Because right now, Newsom is looking like the Democrat’s candidate of choice and he’s goddamn awful of a politician and person.
people aren’t saying that Kamala wasn’t the lesser evil. They are saying that running evil candidates suppresses voter turnout and that doing so is a loosing strategy (unless doing evil is your gole, like the GOP)
I agree that it’s a dumb strategy, but given the choice it’s obvious that Harris was better qualified, less evil, and would not actively work to make your life worse. It’s just that the average American voter is a window licker / paste eater so they voted for the other guy.
I just think the worse thing now is seeing the current lineup of candidates for 2028… shes still there and so are a bunch of others im pretty sure nobody wants.
That’s part of why I’m being so vocal lately. I am going to vote in 2028, and I am not going to vote for someone who supports Israel. If that means writing in ‘The Reanimated Corpse of Abraham Lincoln,’ then so be it.
Assuming the Democrats have a primary this time, widespread anti-zionist sentiment could convince some people to work towards getting a candidate on the ballot who isn’t a zionist. Harris and Newsom are destined to fail if they end up on the ballot in November. If these “vote blue no matter who” people really want a blue candidate in office, then let’s work towards getting a blue candidate that can beat no preference.
Ro Khanna toed the line on pushing for Epstein disclosures. That’s probably going my litmus test for humans vgoing forward, regardless whether he is permitted to progress
I know many Muslims in Michigan that voted for Trump because Kamala supported Israel…
anecdotes are not data
Fuck ‘em
Duverger’s law, the way the elections are winner takes all makes it mathematically certain there are only two viable options. It’s basic math which people failed at.
You also have to include the swing states having a highly disproportionate amount of voting power, the wealthy having a disproportionate amount of influence, and the electoral college making small farm states election makers
Which makes it all the more important for candidate not to pull a Harris and try to gaslight voters.
When parties are roughly evenly matched, elections often turn on irrelevant or misleading considerations such as economic spurts or downturns beyond the incumbents’ control; the outcomes are essentially random. Thus, voters do not control the course of public policy, even indirectly.
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691169446/democracy-for-realists
duvergers law does not say that. it’s not"basic math". it’s a useless tautology
Sometimes what you don’t say is more important than what you do say. Many on the left were manipulated and used to boost the fascist. Something many to this day are still too sensitive about to acknowledge.
There wasn’t Mass coverage and protest that all major party candidates supported the genocide. Only Harris. In all the Zionist and oligarch media, every day it was wall to wall coverage of the people calling Harris out over it. It was legitimately used to launder Donald Trump’s image.
The fact that the vitriol and hatred that anyone who pointed this out got back then. And still gets today, proves that many failed to learn the important lesson. While they were absolutely correct to criticize Harris for her support. They were wrong to only focus on her over it. Even if symptoms like trump and everyone in his administration met the gallows tomorrow. These same people will continue to naively allow themselves to be weaponized against the achievable over the perfect. Ultimately getting more symptoms elected in the future, and allowing the Overton window to ratchet further and further to the right. National Democrats are horrible allies, they’re unfortunately the best we have.
National Democrats are horrible allies, they’re unfortunately the best we have.
So much so it becomes plausible that they might not actually be allies.
They certainly aren’t. They’re not even allies to themselves. But without them we have little hope of getting anything passed. And without us they stand little chance of getting elected. Neither of us would choose to ally with the other.
I posted basically the same thing in a similar thread, but since this popped up on my feed I will repost it.
Your stupid little fake elections dont matter, yankee. Nothing in the world matters less than the kabuki theater contest between your democrats and your republicans. For over a century both your parties have lead campaigns of slaughter and pillage across the world, but now you’re being kicked out of the middle east. Your power is failing, and soon enough you’ll be kicked out of everywhere else too. Your fake parties and fake elections will be your problem and your problem alone. Welcome to the american century of humiliation.
Again genocide isn’t a small thing, Harris also was very questionable on trans issues and extremely pro imperialism and cop.
Voting is a practical, political act, not a moral one. Anyone that tells you different is tricking you.
So, you’ve got zero problem with Trump voters on moral grounds, correct?
How could one possibly twist themselves into believing that a political act can somehow exist outside the realm of ethics and morality? Politics is ethics. Ethics are political. Why are you you trying to decouple these? Oh wait… its because yall will do whatever mental gymnastics are needed to justify voting for a genocidal, former cop.
In America’s general election you get two choices for president, the bad choice and the worse choice. That’s the undisputable reality. As South Park once elegantly put it, choose between the giant douche and the turd sandwich. Now, often times which candidate is which is a matter of perspective, but sometimes it’s pretty clear to see who the worse choice is.
For instance, so many people got on a high horse against Kamala for supporting Israel, and they weren’t wholly wrong, but her opponent was very well known for being an admirer of Netanyahu and never took a stance against the genocide either. So considering both parties seemed likely to let Israel keep on keeping on it was a very strange thing to get hung up on electorally; there was little to no chance that we’d have an election outcome would have ended well for Palestine regardless, and having lived through Trump’s first term and his attempted coup there was plenty of evidence to suggest that he would be the worse choice.
Now, many people used the argument that politics and ethics are completely inseparable, saw that both candidates would be bad for Palestine, then refused to vote on moral grounds, thereby doing their part in condemning America to its current circumstances of grappling with human rights crises at home. Thousands brutalized by ICE and CBP, shipped to torture centers for crimes the didn’t commit (e.g. El Salvador) children separated from parents (again) and effectively orphaned (again)… Much of this very much predictable given his first term. I’m not seeing this supposed moral high ground.
The act of voting is indeed a political act, and not a moral one. One’s politics and ethics may intertwine, but at the end of the day you only get two choices and chances are that in order to avoid the greater evil you need to ensure the lesser evil prevails. It shouldn’t work this way but sadly it does.
Genocidal former cop.
Felon rapist pedophile fraud who threatens to wipe civilizations from the face of the Earth while robbing us blind and destroying all our alliances.
Man. That’s a tough fucking decision.
almost like any other option is better
If you have to vote for someone who supports genocide you’re already fucked.
Well at least we ended up with the felon rapist pedophile fraud who threatens to wipe civilizations from the face of the Earth while robbing us blind instead of the flawed but highly educated black woman with no criminal record.
We really dodged a bullet, right?
What does that mean, exactly?
Genocide is by far one of the worst crimes against humanity. If someone supports genocide they are morally corrupt to the core. They don’t care if you live or die. They will sell you out the moment it gives them a personal advantage. What kind of democracy forces it’s citizens to choose between two such people?
Americans generally don’t support genocide nor do they want a leader who would treat them like chess pieces. Unfortunately, the American electoral system is incapable of reflecting popular sentiment. If it can’t do that, then it’s not a real democracy. Change can only come to the US if people learn to wield their collective power in ways that don’t depend on the elections. Barring that, Americans are fucked regardless of who they vote for.
“Change can only come to the US if people learn to wield their collective power in ways that don’t depend on the elections.”
No, change can only come if people repent of their political and religious idolatry and abandon their factional and sectarian creedos and turn to God the Father through his Son Jesus Christ. The nations are failing because the nations have abandoned the truth of God for humanist and sectarian lies, which are their idols. Man is worshiping himself, money, and power, which are the main idols causing all the madness. Madness is a spiritual condition, not an electoral one.
Everything else is worldly-wise mind-poison.
And what about gay, queer, or trans people? Have they not died enough? Because there absolutely is a difference between the parties for them.
Why, if the majority of Americans are against genocide, does democratic leadership support genocide? If they don’t think Palestinian lives matter why would they think gay, queer, and trans lives matter either? Vote for democrats all you want. I don’t care. Just don’t be so self righteous to think your vote meaningfully protects marginalized people.
Your speculation doesn’t match the observed history, though. Even if you don’t agree that Democrats have made progress in recent years for labor and gay rights, at least they haven’t actively rolled them back like Republicans. Police were out of control, but people weren’t disappearing at scale into black sites and being shuffled around to prevent any legal recourse.
The society that exists in such a place is doomed to self-destruction, thankfully. The people that didn’t even have an opinion on ICE until a few white people were treated like black people are the reason why. That entire mindset: “I don’t think about problems unless they affect people who look like me” is a great mindset to have for exactly one skin color in the US, but those two white people in Minnesota will be remembered like 9/11 It is that mindset why the democratic party is not an opposition party to white supremacy, but instead controlled opposition by the ruling white supremacist class elite. The same mindset is why americans don’t actually care about genocide and will non-vote for vote for fascism when fascism is on the line. I’d wager an overwhelmingly vast majority of protesting non-voters were of a… pallid skin color.
Here’s a big hint: Thousands of black and brown people have died as martyrs for the rights of all americans, even white ones, since the 60s. How many white people have died for the advancement of the rights of all americans again in that same time period?
You’re right. America is fucked, but speeding up it’s descent into fascism is bad praxis
Sure, but if you care about slowing the America’s descent into fascism, voting should not be your primary focus.
lol, america is so fucked
That’s not really an argument.
are we arguing?
No, I’m sorry this is “abuse”.
If people critical of this could organize something more useful than lemmy downvotes, that would be a start. I’m just genuinely confused by anyone that feels like not voting accomplishes anything. By definition, it is inaction. And mathematically, voting third party is the same as not voting. Why not at least defend gay and trans people? You can still do whatever non-voting-related actions you were planning to do to improve things. I guess you’re making your trolley problem choice. Honestly, the moral purity that has no impact just reads as vanity to me.
"mathematically, voting third party is the same as not voting. "
that’s not true
I’m sorry, this is not a serious position.
this doesn’t say what you said.
If you’d like to make an assertion and support it with facts, I’ll respond, but you’re wasting our time with simple contradiction.
i’ve presented exactly as much evidence for my position as you for yours.
Well it’s good that we went with the low IQ felon rapist pedophile fraud who threatens to wipe civilizations off the face of the Earth and robs us blind.
Man, we almost ended up with an imperfect highly educated black woman with no criminal indictments instead. Can you imagine?
You understand not voting beat both options right? It wasn’t a race between Kamala and Trump because they have isolated entrenched voter bases.
It was that a corpo cop who would keep the genocide on simmer and was anointed cantidate didn’t inspire many.
She lost to the couch.
And you use low IQ as an insult I see what kind of person you are.
Field better candidate next time instead of a genocide accomplice.
who keeps upvoting this bullshit?
Another insultingly stupid take of blaming voters for the problems caused by greedy people. THIS VIOLATES RULE 1 of the forum.
Mom says it’s my turn to blame anyone but the Democrats for losing the world’s easiest election twice
