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    11 days ago

    This is one reason we have cryptocurrency.

    When PayPal blocked donations to Occupy and WikiLeaks, they got bitcoin donations

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      Is there anywhere that actually accepts crypto as payment for goods or services? Especially in Palestine?

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        Just made an account to reply to your comment.

        Yeah, especially in Gaza, the paper currency began physically disintegrating during the genocide, so people started using Bank of Palestine, Paypal or Cryptocurrency (mostly USDT) to send funds electronically. Big issue is they tend to use Binance or other centralized exchanges, which then block and seize the funds or demand identification, which may be difficult if you’re displaced. Just had this happen to me when I sent a transfer to a family in Gaza.

        Here are a couple of articles:

        I think a lot of westerners underestimate how useful crypto has been for countries like Palestine, Venezuela, or in Western Africa, where the local currency is export controlled or is tied to an oppressive surveillance/neo-colonial state. Its actually in widespread use, but the crypto community and devs seriously need to go back to being cypherpunks and emphasize privacy and autonomous decentralized finance, instead of just glazing the NASDAQ and SEC to pump their shitcoin.

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        What? A whole country has declared it legal tender, so literally millions accept it worldwide.

        As for Palestine, idk. They have to dig tunnels to smuggle-in medicine under blockade. So, yeah, probably.

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        Crypto can be converted to local currency and transfer to debit cards or bank accounts and use as payment for goods and services.

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      Occupy and Wikileaks had a role in diverting US activists towards ineffective means of struggle, & were spun off into movements that were used to + directly contributed to threaten states the US considers enemies. I think the Iranian govt is foolish if they really intend to treat bitcoin is money, but it looks like it will just be a payment method negotiated at gunpoint, so there is no chance of the money being clawed back by the US fgovt + prvt banks. China is setting up a cryptographic ledger thingy (I’m not a crypto guy I watch #thebarrels) for states to securely organize bilateral currency agreements, but I’m guessing that wouldn’t be an option for this kind of thing? At least not at this stage?

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          Remind me what permissionless means in the context of crypto? Is that related to using BTC for tolls?

          My point is The Silk Road proves holding BTC isn’t appropriate for evading US authorities

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            Permisonless means that I can send money to you, and no third party can stop that transaction.

            I switched to buying things online to exclusively in crypto after fighting too many times with banks blocking my purchases. That literally cannot happen with crypto. If I send money to someone, they get it 100% of the time. That’s by-design. It’s permissionless. And transactions cannot be reversed.

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              I mean, it defeats the point of crypto for you, which is a replacement for the US dollar in speculation. It has enormous utility to these states, which are using it to negotiate currency transfers without the US Swift system. It’s literally just for use by governments, and reversing the transactions would be a diplomatic incident. Maybe you’re on to something about why hostile parties could not use it, though. I don’t know much about crypto technically like I said before.

              I don’t know if the State Dept being able to claw back coins counts as “reversible” to you but it effectively allowed them to steal much of the proceeds from the drug selling.

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                There are already private blockchains used between banks and states. XRP is basically an entire cryptocurrency made for that purpose. Pretty sure BRICS has already floated the idea about making their own currency for this purpose, and potentially on a blockchain, but I think they’re not ready to pull the trigger on ending the petrodollar for whatever reason.

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                  Well it looks like the Bitcoin thing was more nonsense, the IRGC is much more consistent than civilian politicians! My mistake lol

                  Fars News Agency: Iran central bank confirms Strait of Hormuz fees received in cash – PressTV [2026-04-24]

                  The clarification comes after some media outlets had claimed that Iran was collecting the tolls in digital currencies such as Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.

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                  The income was received in “cash currency” and credited to the central bank’s accounts, reflecting Iran’s effective and transparent management of the strategic waterway, according to the report on Thursday.

                  The clarification comes after some media outlets had claimed that Iran was collecting the tolls in digital currencies such as Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.

                  The announcement also came as Iran’s Deputy Parliament Speaker Hamidreza Hajibabaee announced that the first revenue from Strait of Hormuz tolls has been deposited into the central bank’s account.

                  Speaking at a public gathering in Kuhdasht, Hajibabaee declared that the strait rightfully belongs to the Iranian nation and that no outside power has any right to negotiate over it.

                  “All ships passing through this route must pay tolls in Iranian rials to the Iranian nation as a rightful fee for using Iran’s territorial waters,” he said.

                  He issued a stern warning that if the United States persists with its aggressive policies, no ship will be permitted to transit the Strait of Hormuz.

                  “Two violating vessels have been successfully seized so far, and this number will increase as necessary to protect Iran’s sovereignty,” Hajibabaee added.

                  The deputy speaker described Iran’s control over the strait as one of the great achievements of the nation’s resistance against foreign domination, stating that US warships have been forced to retreat 200 kilometers out of fear of Iran’s military power.

                  He noted that 20 percent of the world’s oil and 35 percent of its gas pass through the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran’s rightful dominance over the waterway demonstrates the country’s vital role in the international economy.

                  He proudly asserted that Iran has achieved the status of a global superpower, adding that no retreat from this honorable path is acceptable.

                  Any official who speaks from a position of fear or weakness and capitulates to US-Israeli aggression will be despised by the proud Iranian nation, he warned.

                  In a firm warning directed at certain regional states that support terrorist operations, Hajibabaee said: “Countries that provide hotel and airport facilities to terrorists to assassinate our revered figures should know that we will simultaneously target their airports, hotels, and their rulers in response to their hostile actions.”

                  Hajibabaee firmly rejected any negotiations with the United States from a position of weakness, stating that talks can only take place after Washington admits its defeat in its ongoing war of aggression against Iran.

                  He said the US-Israeli war of terrorism had been threatening the region, but that Iran, under the wise leadership of martyred Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, has stood united and proud against American excesses and Zionist ambitions.

                  According to Hajibabaee, the United States has unilaterally sought an extension of a ceasefire after Iran’s unified and dignified rejection of US demands.

                  “The United States, which until recently spoke the language of military threats and aggression, is now retreating in humiliation before the greatness of the Iranian nation,” he said.

                  He said Washington is adopting contradictory and desperate positions, ranging from threatening to partition Iran to falsely claiming a role in decision-making, but that the US-Israeli axis of aggression has ultimately been forced to back down in disgrace.

                  Hajibabaee described Iran’s peaceful uranium enrichment and its defensive missile capabilities as the undeniable and inalienable rights of the Iranian nation, saying these sovereign capabilities will be strengthened day by day.