Yeah, you know what, you’re riiiight. What’s the point of maintaining the republic when the heat death of the universe is inevitable?
You’re certainly not just pivoting here and pretending that being able to read history/climate science somehow makes present political struggle irrelevant, while ignoring the fact that if you refuse to build power within the current system because you are busy fantasizing about your future “new system,” what you are actually doing is ceding the existing one to the right.
That would be bad faith and something a person who has read up on history could never say with a straight face.
Liberalism is one hell of a drug, isn’t it? I don’t need to convince you. You’re free to die with this system, if that’s what you want. I’m gonna keep trying to build something that doesn’t constantly commit genocide with all the other folks who don’t want to die.
No, but if you’re completely incapable of believing anything but liberalism then there isn’t any way to help you. The system has been a zombie for a long time, there’s no saving it. I’m doing what I can, but that doesn’t include saving people who are actively fighting against being saved.
Good luck with your fight. I’m gonna spend my energy doing something useful.
Edit: actually, I see that your whole thing is just wasting everyone’s time. I hope you get a life.
You chose to keep replying (including to announce you’ll be off “doing something useful”), then come back just to tack on a personal insult and blame me for wasting your time. That is a pretty revealing model of the politics: grand plans for a new system, zero patience for the people you would need to build it with, and somehow even your own choices are someone else’s fault.
If everyone outside your circle is a zombie, a liberal, or too far gone to bother with, you won’t build a movement. You’ll build a clubhouse.
And a clubhouse is fine. It just is not going to replace a system you keep evading a real contest with.
But if this is how you practice politics, you clearly do not need my help wasting your own time.
Nihilists don’t try to build a new society. You’re confusing “nihilism” for “being able to read history books and IPCC reports.”
Yeah, you know what, you’re riiiight. What’s the point of maintaining the republic when the heat death of the universe is inevitable?
You’re certainly not just pivoting here and pretending that being able to read history/climate science somehow makes present political struggle irrelevant, while ignoring the fact that if you refuse to build power within the current system because you are busy fantasizing about your future “new system,” what you are actually doing is ceding the existing one to the right.
That would be bad faith and something a person who has read up on history could never say with a straight face.
Liberalism is one hell of a drug, isn’t it? I don’t need to convince you. You’re free to die with this system, if that’s what you want. I’m gonna keep trying to build something that doesn’t constantly commit genocide with all the other folks who don’t want to die.
Weird how “only us, only together” in theory becomes “anyone who disagrees with me can and wants to ‘die with this system’” in practice.
Real serious collective politics there. Stunning way to build a movement.
No, but if you’re completely incapable of believing anything but liberalism then there isn’t any way to help you. The system has been a zombie for a long time, there’s no saving it. I’m doing what I can, but that doesn’t include saving people who are actively fighting against being saved.
Good luck with your fight. I’m gonna spend my energy doing something useful.
Edit: actually, I see that your whole thing is just wasting everyone’s time. I hope you get a life.
Well, the edit did save me some work.
You chose to keep replying (including to announce you’ll be off “doing something useful”), then come back just to tack on a personal insult and blame me for wasting your time. That is a pretty revealing model of the politics: grand plans for a new system, zero patience for the people you would need to build it with, and somehow even your own choices are someone else’s fault.
If everyone outside your circle is a zombie, a liberal, or too far gone to bother with, you won’t build a movement. You’ll build a clubhouse.
And a clubhouse is fine. It just is not going to replace a system you keep evading a real contest with.
But if this is how you practice politics, you clearly do not need my help wasting your own time.