Those aren’t exclusionary statements
Trump is a symptom of the wider rot that the establishment Democrats are a part of
Bullshit, he is literally part of the disease.
Bullshit, without the disease he could never, ever have taken office. No functioning Republic would allow it
Just to be clear: symptoms are part of a disease.
Trump is a symptom and also part of the disease. Is there more to the disease than just trump? yes. There are kind of a lot of parts of this disease and they include effectively all of the current Cabinet, House, Senate and Judiciary. Some of those symptoms are democratic and, while I consider many of these democrats to be personally accountable for the issues we face, I also hold that the system is the real problem.
The existing system is the disease and, while we made it over 200 years, I think about the phrase ‘a more perfect union’ in that a perfect union is a goal, but was not a guarantee and bad actors will find loopholes and vulnerabilities.
We tried to get rid of kings; and did for a time, but eventually replaced them with technocrats.
There’s only a handful of them, and a LOT of us. Let’s aim for the next more perfect union and ditch these modern kings.
But it could be more honest. Dems suck because they’re all bark and part of the problem themselves. Pelosi built a fortune on insider trading, but they keep acting like they’re innocent and “helping” the avg citizen. They sure as hell not with posts like this.
Yes. The pedodent is supported by the billionaire class and in turn funnels even more taxpayer dollars to then and his own family. The billionaires in turn help manufacture of amplify the conflicts he feeds upon.
Lets concider the context:
House democrats represent the old wave democrats, whereas Nina Turner is part of the Bernie wave. The old wave is dependent on super PACs for getting elected which means they need to lick as many billionaire boots as possible. The Bernie wave is much more credible in that they rely on grass root donations instead of super PACs.
So when House democrats are saying that Trump is the issue, they are implying that if democrats are governing, then housing prices will improve. But swapping bootlickers with other bootlickers are not going to change anything.
Change require that we give the middle finger to the billionaires.
We should probably stop calling them a class and just say billionaires. Calling them a class gives them validation. They are just greedy shitty people
I think i disagree. ‘Bilionaires’ makes it seem seem like a nebulous group of individuals, like
‘oh <insert random billionaire who hadnt been in the news lately for something evil> just happens to have a ton of money, you can’t hold that against them without evaluating their actions as an individual’
The problem is that they are a class, or rather that the class exists as a class and that they are use their power, act as and are catered to, as a class.
If there were 100 individuals around the word who just happened to have assets valuing 1,000,000,000$ or more, even if they owned shitty companies companies and were all assholes, that would be one thing.
Assuming they not associate with each other, conspire together to warp society and governments to their shared wills etc, it would be a far different world.
If they were seen as just rare individuals, governments would not bend to their whims; one billionaire threatens to offshore his buisness unless he gets favorable laws, to ignore taxes etc, the country threatens to nationalism his buisness, or just locks his ass up. I one guy is found to be bribing one or countless politicians, thats a treasonous scandal.
When a couple dozen are making these threats in lockstep, they are holding the country’s economy hostage. And when between them they are bribing all the politicians, that becomes the staus quo.
its when they act as a class that its a real problem.
I like the Epstein class because it’s not just billionaires that are the problem, it’s all the people who break or circumvent the law to enrich themselves or gain power.
The biggest tour de force of the century so far is the billionaires who built/bought the social media’s and diverted the attention from the class war (member 2008?) to an ideology war.
They won their bet
The dummies followed and even fought for them
“Here we go again, same old shit again.”
He is a symptom of the disease, and both must be dealt with as such.
i find it funny that there are more balanced takes on politics here then in any of the canada political pages on here
Trump is the worst president in American history.
“Yeah people with no power, how did you let them be that way?”
Both. Both is true.
Yes, specifically: The billionaires class hired Trump to do this. They may have gotten more than they bargained for, or they may not care since it’s not yet affecting most of them.
Or they may be even affected positively based on what industry they own, since they can jack prices higher than needed during a time of crisis.
Yes, of course it’s both, but I think people are upset with the statement because Democrats (with a few exceptions) traditionally bend over backwards trying to ignore the fact that the billionaire class is a HUGE part of the problem.
Yeah, but Trump will go away, and the billionaires will still be there. Probably having other politicians do something for them.
Two things can be true
Somehow this is the most ignored fact ever known, for internet people. No, you just simply cannot acknowledge two compatible facts. One is worthless garbage (your fact) while the other is profound wisdom (my fact). For example, here, somehow Donald Trump being a billionaire with the largest amount of power on earth is lost on this person, basically because it helps them burn the Democrats. Really kind of an idiotic response if you ask me. A billionaire acting the most like a billionaire is the “wrong” culprit here. And they think they’re such a big brain for this.
One of those things is just a subset of a much larger group, but both are only products of a systemic failure that democrats refuse to acknowledge - which makes them seem inauthentic to most people experiencing the problem.
Libs will pretend that this is not a problem.
Libs
Kinda says it all.
If it looks and walks like a duck, it’s a duck.
Personally I think putting people into boxes based on almost nothing is toxic but maybe that’s just me being a sHiTlIb
I havent put anyone into a box, i just labled the box and put it on the shelf. It’s not my problem if people decide to climb into it themselves.
Unless you’re upset with my associating liberals with the tendency to ignore the systemic problems of capitalist democracy in favor of directing anger toward just the ‘bad’ capitalists? I think that’s pretty self evident but I’d be happy to argue the merits.
The boxes shouldn’t exist, unless they were to define people as they relate to specific issues. I have been raged at for being a “liberal” because users assume I subscribe to many views which I definitely do not. They even go as far to tell me I’m wrong about what I believe because “you’re a liberal!!” Which I’m not, insofar as how they mean it. And that’s the problem.
To continue the analogy. You say you’re putting boxes on the shelf and people climb into them. I’d compare it more to people looking at the box labels and then you’re shoving them into the boxes just for that. It’s all oversimplified and kills conversations and progress. The fact that I strongly want an end to many social problems which could be addressed by universal healthcare and regulating capitalism means nothing to most of these label-oriented users. The only people who aren’t evil capitalist pigs are those who fit their same label. It’s actually sick, disgusting, and counterproductive. It’s exactly what you’d want if you’re a billionaire. People who want mostly the same things hating and icing each other out.
Yep sure is
I got a good one for you
Me: Trump won because people didn’t vote for Kamala. She got 10 million less votes than Biden.
Tankies: No it’s because she ran a bad campaign. It’s not because of the voters at all.
Exactly. As if those are competing ideas. For those to be competing ideas, voters have no agency. Which they do not hesitate to imply if it makes them feel correct.
I’m gonna be honest: voters are dumb, and that’s the biggest reason why they don’t have agency. Forget voter ID and banning mail-ins, the biggest form of voter suppression is propaganda. Billionaires invest tons of money into making sure voters stay dumb. Politicians actually have a ton of control over voters, because they’re so easy to manipulate. So the tankies do have a point.
HOWEVER, if voters weren’t so dumb, they’d have agency! And the tankies who didn’t vote because they’re scared of lesser evilism? Well yeah, there’s your voter suppression through propaganda. The dumb voting is coming from inside the house.
Ew, I didn’t order any boots. Try Jack’s table instead.
“This person”
Literally a progressive who co-chaired Bernie’s 2020 run and has consistently fought for progressive policies.
I think she deserves to speak the truth to power.
Also, literally a Democrat.
Okay. Even heroes can be testy know it alls at times.
This isn’t 2 things; Trump is a part of the billionaire class. They’re just not being specific enough, mostly because many of them work for the billionaire class.
One of those things is more true than the other.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!
Upton Sinclair, 1934
What neo-liberals and their apologizing masses don’t understand is we don’t see a difference anymore. They’re both conservative parties that only care about their payout ultimately. Advancing billionaire objectives and ignoring us. I really wish they’d understand and stop trying to fucking argue against this.
Dems know exactly how they could get a massive landslide in the midterms, and are choosing not to do it.
If they win by too much they woukd lose all their excuse to work against the people.
It would ruin them.
That’s cause they’re trying to lose on purpose. Their corporate donors told them to.
Paid opposition party.
No, that’s the opposite of the truth. They’re a paid jobber party. They don’t oppose the Republicans, they job them. You know, like in wrestling when a wrestler is paid to lose a fight on purpose.
The best thing we can do to fuck up their plans and screw with the billionaires is vote for the Democrats and persuade others to do the same. That’s the thing they least want us to do. They want bad PR and low voter turnout. But if we register with the party, go to local primaries to support socialist candidates who actually believe in improving things, and then help those candidates win (and keep the Rs out by voting for the jobbers when we have to), then the billionaires are fucked because the true believers in the party, even the libby ones, will raise taxes. And Trump won’t be able to lower them.
I can get behind primaries pushing out the establishment and neo-liberals, but honestly if we don’t succeed in that you’ll find me hard pressed to vote blue no matter who.
I’m guessing that’s because you think voting for a candidate supports them in more than one way?
The first way that voting for a candidate supports them is that it helps them beat the opposing candidate, the R fascist. So you’re giving them the “better than actual Nazis” award, I’m sure you agree.
But I’m guessing you think voting for a candidate gives them support in more ways than just that one?
It’s more of neo-liberal Dems are fascist, they just have a nicer visage about it as they provide more of the boots.
You shouldn’t round so imprecisely.
I’m just puzzled that there are a not insignificant number of people on this site who literally believe that Democrats keep losing elections on purpose.
Just stop.
Because that’s the only reasonable explanation for their actions. They can’t possibly be as incompetent as they’re pretending. “They’re not trying to win, they’re trying to ensure you keep enough faith in the system to prevent you from revolting” is the Occams Razor explanation.
Jesus fuck. It can literally be both, especially with this fatted calf.
Also in terms of affordability of daily good and gas, it literally, majority because of Trump, the billionaire grifter, and his tariffs and his stupid thinking he’s Jesus and started a War with Iran and the Republicans refusing to rein him in and the Democrats voting with them.
Hey there’s lots of things you can say about Trump without going right to body-shaming.
I’d prefer “Gold-plated calf”. It demonstrates both his worthless shell and the chunk of lead underneath. Nothing of value there. Just something dense and toxic.
Not to mention the biblical reference to him and his base.
Both parties are the billionaire class 🤣
There is no truly left party with any type of power in the US.
