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      It seems like the user who posted that article makes similar posts attacking China exclusively, day-in and day-out. 4000+ posts in the last year.

      This particular post is a summary from a report from a large European think tank that’s obviously quite pro-NATO and worthy of skepticism from any anti-imperialist audience. The report itself seems to cast an extremely broad net as to what should count as nefarious Chinese meddling:

      However, China’s efforts today are about shaping public opinion at scale. In a wider casting of the net, Chinese FIMI now relies on a busy ecosystem of other actors. For example, Beijing uses research partnerships, business associations, cultural exchanges, diaspora networks and social media influencers—who may or may not recognise their role in communicating CCP narratives. These locally based people and organisations (such as, for example, a Polish influencer talking to Polish audiences) provide familiar cultural and linguistic references and possess legitimacy that Chinese authorities lack. They help embed Beijing’s narratives into debates that, at first glance, may seem unrelated to China, such as the future of European industrial policy, global governance or the economy.

      The underlying logic runs as follows: influence the wider information environment first, allow preferred narratives to become familiar and “common sense” in everyday online discourse and then let those narratives travel—with the help of local intermediaries—into mainstream media agendas and, eventually, national politics.

      According to this report, a Chinese academic who’s just participating in a research program in Europe is part of China’s “FIMI” (their buzzword for disinformation/propaganda) efforts. But that, and the examples cited throughout here (except maybe AI which I’m willing to say is a different kind of phenomenon) is just a normal part of a country integrating itself in the globalized world.

      If Algerian students start coming to European universities, and Algerian traveling influencers start talking about how cool it is to travel to Algeria, and Algerian artists make media that is consumed in Europe, European people’s opinion of Algeria will improve. And I think that it would be perfectly OK for that to happen, and for the governments of Algeria and Europe to try to cultivate that cultural exchange and bringing down of barriers. Same with literally any other country on earth (especially the ones that I’m very critical of, e.g. USA and Israel, because it still is cool for people to be less ignorant, although with the US particularly I think people are already extremely familiar with their culture and it dominates everything).

      Why is it any different with China? Why are Chinese people treated with this suspicion? Why are we contributing to sinophobia by acting like it’s crazy that young people kinda want to be Chinese?

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              Are you sure? Something tells me that their conclusion that there’s nothing worthwhile in a country of 1.4 billion people that covers nearly a quarter of the largest continent on earth, with 5,000 years of history, and incredibly varied ecosystems, architecture, cultures, and landscapes might be biased. But I don’t want to be uncharitable.

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            China is fucking huge, maybe Rimu was in like a shitty part of it, while you visited somewhere awesome?

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              They say they went all over. Its hard to imagine they didn’t go to at least 1 cool place.

              The only not-awsome places I experienced were small rural border towns with nothing to do and pretty bad construction quality. Even they had decent, suprisingly diverse food.

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    Somehow I’m skeptical of how organically popular pro-chinese trends are on tiktok. It’s like trying to use youtube views to gauge the popularity of google products…

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      It’s not just a TikTok thing, though. And isn’t the fact that TikTok has gotten as large as it has (despite its current status of being run under US oligarchs for US users), and how many USAmericans decided to start using RedNote when it initially was banned in the US, also evidence to the claim that China is having a big cultural moment?

      I can at least say anecdotally that random people I’ve met who aren’t politically involved have been getting more into specifically Chinese cultural products. Games, movies, etc. And among my inner friend group (who, admittedly, are definitely much more inclined to support China politically, not just culturally) we make jokes about Chinamaxxing too.

      Also, there is no equivalence between the relationship between TikTok and Chinese culture as a whole versus YouTube and Google products. “TikTok is to China as YouTube is to Google products” is not valid because TikTok is to China as YouTube is to the United States. And while checking how people feel about a country based on trends on social media wouldn’t be the ideal way to gauge things (polls are obviously better) it still seems reasonable.

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      Is it Chinese propaganda that living conditions and future prospects in the Western world are really bleak and young people are coping by imagining how much better life would be in the biggest country in the world that doesn’t seem to be suffering from those problems at quite the same level?

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        Anything I say to you will result in you pasting propaganda, links to known biased sites, paid articles, and other propaganda.

        Nothing an ML says can be trusted. You know this.

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    It is honestly surprising, that it took so long. China is a massive country, with a large economy. They should be an absolute leader in exporting cultural products. Especially since China inherited Hong Kongs massive movie industry, which decline after the hand over.

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      Its kinda insane they didn’t come up with Kung Foo Panda first, and the music random chinese people show me seems so anemic.

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    A user in the comments section referenced American surveys that show the Chinese government is much more popular among its people compared to the American one. It got heavily downvoted and one use unironically responded:

    The fact that people feel free to express their disatisfaction in America is a feature… not a bug.

    Not the Onion level of Western chauvinism