So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what’s left of free speech and expression.
Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.
SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now’s that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.
No it wont. Because we’re gonna light shit on fire until this goes away, ICE melts, and the hostages are released from the internment camps. Right?
lol. americans don’t do shit
My guy, people have been out in the streets ripping people out of the hands of ice
I get its fun to be cynical in the current moment but americans have absolutely been doing shit. I know, because there are folks in my community organizing, and they’re doing so in the image of other community organizing efforts across the country
If you’re reading this go find a way to get involved IRL. Meet your neighbors. Join food not bombs or a soup kitchen. Get involved in ice watch. Find your local DSA or PSL chapter and see if they’re people there and projects that you feel like you can build with. See if you have a local SRA chapter. See if your area has any tool libraries or community gardens you can participate in. Lots of states have a stop cop city, or stop detention centers project, go see if your area has one you can get involved with. People only do shit if people like YOU decide its worth doing
In the land of “stay strapped or get clapped” your idea of resistance is joining a soup kitchen or tool library lol
It’s a step that contributes which is better than nothing, though of course this is supplementary and more is needed
It’s an action that accomplishes nothing towards the stated goals but makes the person feel good about themselves.
Soup kitchens contribute to mutual aid setups, which are vital for subsistence and resistance movements against established institutions.
It is directly something that accomplishes movement towards stated goals.
Let me know when a soup kitchen topples a government institution. Until then all I see is cringe larping as a resistance movement.
No one can fight fascism when theyre worried about their immediate tangible needs. No one can fight much of anything when theyre worried about their immediate needs.
Its really hard to organize with people if you dont have ways of being connected to them. Its hard to have the needed trust. Its hard to network and know the right folks to have a connection the the right person when you need them. All sorts of community service help attend to these functional needs.
If you can’t see value in feeding folks in your community I’m glad you’re not part of mine, you sound like a POS.
Feed people is great, pretending its some kind of ‘resistance’ is laughable.
You are dead right and you’re being downvoted by white liberals who can’t bear to entertain the idea that they might be part of the problem.
The SRA I mentioned is the socialist rifle association. I also mentioned ice watch, and stop cop city and stop detention center projects. The point was to suggest a number of things that would include some ways to get involved for a wide variety of people, people gotta start somwhere and folks have different risk tolerances
Kindly, did you think at all before you typed that? Kinda disappointed that 5 people chose to upvote that, what are you talking about?
Just curious, what exactly do you mean by SRA in context of this thread?
I don’t necessarily think joining some sort of community/mutual aid organization is a bad thing. Based on research of global protest movements (disclaimer: I am not well versed on this topic outside of my region, albeit there is a lot to cover in our region), generally the highest success rates are for mass scale movements where the regime starts to feel they are losing control. Security services rank and file start to wonder if the leadership are going to bail on them and whether it is worth it to risk their lives fighting their own fellow citizens.
One way to get to that point is a strong network of community organizations that are not subject to the regime political structures (I would include the US Democratic party in this category) or malign business community influence (definitely almost all large US corporations who are part of the oligarchic regime and also giant list of wannabe oligarch types).
The often cited number is 10% of the population engaging in regular protests (with the implication being that a much larger % of the working age population supports the goals of the protest movement). Although from memory, the researchers did say that a single % doesn’t really account for a given “situation on the ground”, more of a general trend. Which makes a lot of sense.
Violent resistance was cited as having mixed results for a variety of reasons and tended to have much more unpredictable and drawn out dynamics.
From my time living the US, I also didn’t find the local polemics around gun ownership to be convincing or productive (i.e. irrespective of your position on gun ownership, a reasonable argument can be made that in the US context there are other factors at play with respect to the perceptions around gun ownership).
Then there is the practical consideration. What has the US implementation of gun ownership achieved in terms of specifics?
Oh look, a keyboard warrior that has no idea how the US works.
How fuckin’ unique and edgy.
Go on; what are you expecting to see?
My expectation is that Americans will continue getting fucked by their government because the only ones interested in ‘resistance’ will ladle at a soup kitchen about it
My brother in Christ look up the aforementioned SRA. You look like an idiot.
Not even gonna engage with the argument that feeding folks in your community isnt valuable resistance. Thats dumb as fuck.
How dare I not be familiar with every single local acronym you lot have.
Anyway let me know when a soup kitchen or tool library topple anything with your resistance larp
must be a huge important organisation. but, which one?
Oops, I used the wrong word. What degree of resistance would you like to see?
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Generally you’re correct, but the string of warehouse fires over the past week all across the country has me hopeful that folks are finally hitting the long long long long long overdue breaking point.
Fires? Plural?
I only know of the one.
Remember that the media will suppress these incidents.
Are there any media outlets resisting? I think you’re right. Hearing of growing resistance does make people less alone in their thinking and; grow action. But they need to hear in the first place.
Yep, literally only saw social media and maybe a single local news outlet reporting on it that day, I actually had to dig a little to figure out whether the story was sensationalized or not
I’ve seen a bunch of reports, none were live streamed so they haven’t broken through. Some are probably actually accidental but I doubt they all are, additionally the Molotovs thrown at Sam Altman house and a Tesla dealership. I believe I heard something about one at a Raytheon office.
There’s a lot of chaff I haven’t completely sorted through but again im hopeful
Yeah shits breaking down on the edges and will probably only gain more traction as energy bills hit come the summer with the obligatory spike in air conditionet usage. Depending on how things escalate it may very well be possible to see feds being chased out of cities by militia sooner or later.
I’m at the point where I don’t allow myself to get my hopes up for American news anymore.
That being said, the warehouse fires were a pleasant surprise that exceeded my expectations.
I’m similarly inclined from experience but before my favorite sports team won back to back championships they let me down and broke my heart for 30 years. I guess I’m a glutton for disappointment but I want to be hopwful
With your attitude, nobody would be doing anything. You’re worse than the people causing these problems - you’re just a black hole of negativity here looking to shit on your fellow workers.
. . . . trump got two terms. what tf is america doing about the trump cancer?
ah. Nothing at all.
do something
They storm the capital building.
There’s plenty of resistance and progressive movements locally and nationally - you just tend not to hear about them unless you’re the sort of person who gets involved
I fucking hope so 🏴🏴🏴🏴
Eat the rich
And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.
They’re bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.
And written by a Democrat.
They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don’t give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.
The most we get are a handful of “representatives” that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
Yes. They’re allowing the planet to boil to avoid briefly inconveniencing idiot billionaires who believe they will science magic their way to Mars to escape.
We don’t need any more evidence that they’re worthless traitors to humanity. =/
I don’t think they think they’re an opposition party, and they certainly wouldn’t oppose mass surveillance. They never have.
Or a parent could, I don’t know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.
I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren’t watching their kids, while not watching their kids.
I wonder how much of the down voting stems from people seeing “let me parent my own kids” as being tied to conservative propaganda used to support anti-woke bills in places like Florida.
I haven’t a clue.
The context of when I posted it was on a comic about “I’d do anything for my kids except listen to them talk about what they enjoy”.
How else are you supposed to figure what kind of stupid nonsense they’re getting up to. Anytime I see my kids focused on almost anything I’ll ask “what’re you working on?”
How dare you be present! That’s just going to result in emotionally grounded adults with a sense of belonging.
I guess you not only read just the post titles, but also just the title of the bill too.
Nope, read the full resolutions text, and also emailed my rep. But thanks anyhow!
Why not both?
I fully expect the government to pull this shit, but I’ll parent my kids not to tolerate it.
The government is there to give us the tools to parent our kids, not to actually parent them. Give us free and open internet, but have training on how to be a diligent parent.
This has absolutely nothing to do with kids
It has nothing to do with kids it’s just an excuse to push more surveillance
They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.
Those are not contrary, but complementary things.
The rules have always been for us, not for them.
The police are enforcers for the elites, they don’t stop crime, they extract fines from people and provide a deterrent to anyone standing up for themselves.
I know but we outnumber them a million to one so we don’t actually have to put up with this
Yea so you quit taking badly about the pedophiles in government.
That’s because we are dangerous (to the rich’s interests)
That would require them to arrest themselves, because everyone in the roles that deal with that are themselves pedophiles.
Yes. I suspect this is all because we successfully arrested Epstein.
They worry we won’t actually stand for their kidnapping and raping our kids, unless they strengthen their grip.
“Parents Decide Act”
Yet text of it has basically nothing about parents in it, just government data collection lol
that’s just another American Value, naming bills as sarcastically and ironcally as possible
A tradition that started with bill of “rights.”
What if you are not even a parent!
Exactly
As a parent I am deciding not to comply.
In fact this is the opposite of parents deciding. Parents can already decide.
If this thread is any indication, we’re cooked. If this many people are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt, after what we’re dealing with…
This will not be benign, it will seem innocent at first, but we’ll have given up yet another seemingly simple thing that will eventually be used against us.
evidently Palantir wasn’t able to use all available data and a few glaciers to find out who was saying mean things about Important People With Money. This oughta fill in those gaps.
Tell your reps that this bill doesn’t get a chance to breathe if they ever want your support in future elections.
Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.
Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war
Fair.
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This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about “protecting children” and it never has been. It’s always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.
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If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.
They also benefit from it as it impacts OS providers like Apple and Google. These companies need to contend with privacy flaws and supporting them on their devices, spending resources on that, while Meta just uses the OS API to “verify” user age pretending they care about children. Profit.
Meta management are evil but kind of clueless. I would guess the usual suspects including Palantir are whispering in their ears.
If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
I think this is not an accident.
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We will keep defeating these nasty bills, we have to keep pushing and not just giving into what the government wants. As what the government wants is nasty as fuck! There will be means to circumvent such changes, Ageless Linux is working on categorizing the methods of evasion, keeping track of what Linux distros are deciding and doing in regards to Age Verification.
Abolish the 2 party system while you’re at it.
Oofta, I’d love to have multiple parties with different priorities to vote for. That would be a huge ask, figuring that out for the American political system would be amazing.
That would be a huge ask, figuring that out for the American political system would be amazing.
Change the electoral system from first past the post to one of the saner alternatives (preferably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote) and the rest will follow on its own.
Problem is, what reason do Democrats or Republicans have to change it? As far as I can see they love trading back every term or two which means any electoral change will require tearing both parties down. Or could you start with states / towns first? I don’t know enough about US voting.
We have to get lucky every time. They only have to get lucky once.
its almost like our elected officials have forgotton who they work for. maybe its time for a reminder?
The thing is, this horseshit is only happening because adults have let computers - more specifically, iPads and phones - become their children’s babysitters.
Have you seen any of the “iPad Kids” videos?
Holy shit, what fucking irresponsible parents.
this horseshit is only happening because adults have let computers - more specifically, iPads and phones - become their children’s babysitters.
This horseshit is only happening because Meta is lobbying hard for it and throwing tons of money at it, because they want ‘protecting children’ to be the OS’s responsibility, not the website’s.
Meta needs verifiable human eyeballs on ads or rates will head wayyyyy down
No this is being pushed by Meta. Fuck zuck.
I don’t wanna Fuck Zuck. Might get something I can’t get rid of with soap and a sandblaster.
Napalm and a match will do the trick.
This is how the democrats lose the next election.
GJ snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Again
Unfortunately, nobody really cares about this shit either way. No chance this costs dems an election, especially considering support for age verification laws have generally been bipartisan.
this is one of the examples of how electoralism can only ever give us some breathing room, but never our full liberation. even a “good” politician is still a politician. they may have entered government to reshape government, but eventually working in government will reshape them.
i encourage others to work to get the best possible politicians into positions of power, but to also work on coagulating people power in order to topple those same positions of power. here are some things you can do:
- organize a union
- learn first aid
- participate in mutual aid projects
- become acquainted with self defense and community defense mechanisms
- learn about reducing your digital footprint at protests
Liberation comes at the end of a gun.
You’re a bad person for pointing this out. /s
“and for other purposes” umm
I was reading a list of bills and whatnot from March the other day. They all say “and for other purposes” they all say that
This one literally just tacks it at the end of the proposal. As it gives no purposes other than “and for other”
yeah, I was following up on a bill introduced by one of me senators and was poking around this website https://www.govtrack.us/
I dont know why, but every bill has this phrase written at the end of it. It is ominous, and I dont know why theyre written this way, probablt some legal bullshit.
Its the same reason even traffic laws are written ambiguosly. It gives everyone from cops to senators the ability to do what they want and then get away with it.
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You stole my exact comment.
How can anyone not trust that face!? I’m sure this is all very well-intentioned!
Wouldn’t this just be unenforceable for any Linux distros not directly owned/maintained by a US-based corporation? I don’t really see how they could force a distro to comply, unless they start going after individual maintainers who live in the US.
If you read this
lawbill in the strictest way, it makes almost no sense. It says that anyone who makes or controls an operating system has to check the age of every person who uses it. But it does not limit this to big companies. That could mean volunteers who help build Debian or even someone at home making their own version of Linux. Thelawbill would expect them to build a system that asks for (and verifies) a birthday before you can use the computer.It gets even stranger with websites like GitHub. If someone downloads shared code and uses it, the person who posted it might be seen as responsible. But they have no way to know who downloaded it or what they did with it. The
lawbill would still expect their system to check ages and share that information with app makers.Gets even more absurd when you start to dig at the definition of an ‘operating system’.
Besides computers and phones, lots of small electronic devices have a rudimentary OS built into them, including (among many other things) a lot of appliances these days. Forget needing to verify your age in order to use your computer, say hello to needing to verify your age in order to use a refrigerator … or a gas pump.
I’d say the majority of equipment and devices in the POS sector of IT make this version of the bill wildly impractical and doomed from the start. They’ll either have to redraft it to specifically be about consumer devices or the retail, restaurant, and c-stores sectors will be up shits creek.
They have many ways to do this if they want:
- go after US entities, like the Linux Foundation. They only need to go after enough to make them fall in line
- Make it illegal to distribute non compliant systems, including downloads
- Make it illegal to operate or even possess a non compliant system
Even if they don’t go after individuals they can do a lot of damage in restricting trade and business use of something. The mere threat of legal action is though to make business owners nope out.
It’s already risky to draw attention to yourself by using privacy focused phones when traveling. It’s the ultimate “if your have nothing to hide why are you worried” situation.
They’re forcing legitimate users to either give up or go underground and risk being seen as criminals.
Multiple forks of software go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-Integrity
This was a proposal a few years ago for how to enforce “trusted web”. Basically, a way for service providers to verify, at a per request basis, that the client is using an unmodified software stack, starting with an operating system signed by a trusted developer. Could absolutely be modified to enforce this shit.
