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Sales pitch: An organization that, after one dies, donates one’s spine to the USA Democrat Party.
EDIT: not necessarily a charity. This is a sales pitch, after all :P
The assumption that the Democrats aren’t fascist is why the cycle remains unbroken
They’re all corrupt. Just ask the dead Palestinians
Vote with one hand, throw a brick with the other.
Become ambidextrous. Become ungovernable.
The only way forward is to liquidate the billionaires as a class.
Most people who read and write the comments here are frustrated because there is no known mechanism to have large scale change in the USA. Only minor victories that are easily lost to time.
Yup, no one here is burning down warehouses as far as I can tell
Thanks for pointing that out, truly revolutionary.
Unfortunately what it really resolves to (and always has) is us, the people,
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Being forced to solve the problem
For me it was how the democratic establishment used all their energy on undermining the Bernie campaigns of 2016 and 2020. They litterally would rather have fascist president than seeing change.
Don’t forgot Zoran Mamdani, they would let Bloomberg split the vote and not endorse a mayoral candidate. They’d let a Trump republican win before an avowed socialist.
My GF at time was a true-blue Democrat who volunteered for her party during Bernie’s campaign, she was there for primaries. I told her there was NO WAY that the Ds would allow him to run for office.
After, she came home very upset, just devastated with what she had seen. She never told me what happened, she refused to talk to me about it. We were over shortly after
She stopped volunteering.
I encourage everyone to volunteer and see how things are done in local politics, it’s a real eye opener
the Ds would allow him to run for office.
Those "D"s are called primary voters.
Anyone who helped Trump win is not a Bernie supporter.
Ain’t no way the ruling elite can risk any peasants actually getting the idea of taxing billionaires and holding them accountable in other ways.
In the short term with a first past the post system, harm reduction in voting D is unfortunately the way to go, but let’s not kid ourselves and think they actually want real change.
Republicans cut taxes for billionaires, because we let them take over the government.
Such bullshit. Bernie ran campaigns and lost. Apparently that makes Biden a “fascist”.
Not saying Biden was a fascist, but he was a worse candidate because he was carried up by billionaire money alone, and that gave us a worse position to win the 2020 election. Also known as risking the second term of fascist Trump.
The reason Bernie lost was because of a coordinated effort to undermine Bernie. He challenged the billionaire class with living wages, infrastructure spending and climate action. He was built on the grounds of donations avaraging 27 dollars, owned by people, not might.
He was up against 15ish bland super PAC funded candidates, also known as bootlickers. These bootlickers would eventually come together together with Obama and lick the boots of Biden right before super tuesday. Allowing establishment newspapers to spike up Biden at a pivotal moment.
I dont think you should defend a bankrupt nomination process, thats all.
To quote Malcom X: “It’s the ballot, or the bullet.”
We gonna have to get mean of we want it to change. Looking at the comments, we are already there.
Doesn’t anyone get tired of this childish pontificating? It’s all just a bunch of blowhard keyboard warriors.
Malcolm X, by the way, did not advocate violence against rich people. Or even really all that much violence at all. His historical legacy has been hijacked by teenage edgelords.
He believed in self defense but also advocated staying within legal bounds.
You didn’t vote, that’s why they can’t fight back.
Is everyone lost in the sauce in these comments? The meme is about holding fascists accountable for things like authoritarian actions, not passing milquetoast policies to capitulate to their voting base when they don’t follow through on 90% of what their campaign promises were.
Talking Epstein action, state surveillance overreach, actual war crimes and unconstitutional breaches that are handwaved away or not addressed (usually strengthened or re-instituted during “progressive” times). This has been going on since the civil war, “Let’s move on and focus on the future, not hold people to standards or accountability (or the actual fucking law)”. I predict maybe 2-3 high profile cases during the next presidential term that will try to go after someone but will just be a drop in the bucket compared to what people are getting away with.
lot of “far left” on these types on this platforms, don’t go to the political pages unless you like echo chambers, i got banned from one for pointing out immigration and youth job statistics that removing illegals was helping with the lack of jobs and was accused of bigotry by otter or m-p. They didn’t ban me but I blocked the group, the fact theyre admins for the Canada lemmy make me wanna look elsewhere. Save your time, trying to get through to some people isn’t worth it.
Opposite sides of a coin look different, but it is always the same coin. If you want change, you need to vote for people and not their party.
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality.
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to fascism.
Apparently there’s no historical precedent for a violent solution to fascism either
The Red Army would like a word
Hold on lemme find the USSR on a map. I’ll pull one up on my pocket fascist propoganda device
No effort in anything is permanent. Are you trolling? Do you not brush your teeth because “they’ll just get dirty again”?
And yet somehow reform and electoralism are derided for the same fact. Labor rights were won through the ballot box in addition to the more romantic methods but you’d never believe that from reading some comments around here
Yeah Biden and Trump look pretty goddamn different.
It’s quick and easy to blame a specific party or whatever boogeyman du jour you want. It’s much harder to do the work and takes a lot longer to actually actively participate in supporting stronger leaders and building a better future.
I can’t and won’t comment on OP’s specific motivations, but the thing I consistently see with messages like this – no viable solutions and no practical alternatives. Just fluff and fantasy, misinformation, and over simplification, amongst other problematic issues.
Voting is basically the lowest hurdle to participate and influence political outcomes (in the USA) and yet voter turnout is shockingly low. Of course that’s going to be a big message from any party that wants to be part of the process. What this graphic specifically is doing is making it seems like that’s the ONLY messaging coming from the Democratic party. It’s the same ole song and dance as the fascists, misinformation.
Then, seeing how abyssal voter turn out is in the country, participation rates in all the other political activities is only a tiny little fraction of that. You want change? You want power? You’ll have to participate and you’ll have to persuade others, many others, to participate. You need to organize, and you need to have a plan.
Let’s say you believe the shtick that Dems “do nothing to fight back”, what things did you do to counter that? I’m sure here in the anonymity of the Lemmy, we all donated lots of money to other parties and candidates, knocked on doors and made calls on their behalf, helped support new and upcoming leaders (or stepped up ourselves) and convinced them to run for local offices so that they were in a great position to move up the chain to ever more important and influential positions, and we called our leaders from locals all the way up to federal level and let them know what issues we find important. But outside of the minuscule population on Lemmy, the US population as a whole did not. And memes laser focused on further disenfranchising people from the process definitely won’t change a thing there. In fact, that’s part of why we’re here to begin with.
Oh, but InvalidName2, YoU DiDn’t oFfEr aNy pRaCtIcAl sOlUtIoNs eItHeR, yOu’rE JuSt aS BaD.
I did, but if you didn’t pay attention, you’re not a serious person. I’d rather spend my effort donating lots of money the best candidates I can find, knocking on doors and making calls on their behalf, helping support campaigns of new and upcoming leaders, and talking to my elected officials from locals all the way up to federal level and let them know what issues I find important, and numerous other activities that align with my political goals. AND I’m also helping other people get involved where they can, supporting local organizations to amplify that support, and so on.
The last time the Democrats controlled the presidency, senate and house was during Obama, and it was only for like 100 days. Thats how obamacare passed. And despite being very flawed, it is one of the biggest improvements in the quality of life of millions of people.
Most of the time, the Democrats cant pass shit, because young, leftist voters, dont vote.
But yeah, continue not voting, punish the not perfect Democrats, give absolute power to maga. Surely that will bring the proletariat revolution into existence.
If tens of millions of people suffer and die in the meantime, what can you do, thats the price of the revolution. Thankfully, your middle class white status shields you from the consequences of your virtue signaling.
Just the destruction of USAID will cause hundreds of of thousands of deaths, mostly in Africa. Millions of people have been imprisoned and deported. And in before “Obama was deporter in chief”, 95% of Obama’s deportations happened either at the border or after someone was arrested(for a different crime).
If you have a latin friend, ask them if they were afraid existing when Obama was president, in comparison to now, where people are afraid to pick up their kids from school.
They could always have used the “nuclear option” and passed actual universal healthcare instead of our strange hybrid for-profit insurance monster under Obama, but they didn’t want to.
When Biden was the President, Ds had majority in house and senate (117th). They COULD have used the stupidly named “nuclear option” and passed universal healthcare, higher minimum wages, and more in response to the nightmarish Trump presidency
But… nah
(encourage everyone to check out the super-majority fiasco fillibuster-not-really nuclear option bullshit song and dance)
They could always have used the “nuclear option” and passed actual universal healthcare instead of our strange hybrid for-profit insurance monster under Obama, but they didn’t want to.
You know why neither side is stupid enough to do that, right?
because if to get actually pass the agenda they run on, they can’t threaten not to get it passed in the next election
It’s wild that you think strong democratic majorities will pass laws that help the working class when there are several states where this is the case and they don’t pass significant redistributive social policies.
Why can’t democratic trifecta states right now pass $25/hr minimum wage tethered to inflation? Or state run universal healthcare? Because their donor base is also composed of billionaires and cadres of business owners. What’s more after a few cycles in office, they routinely leverage information asymmetries available as part of their supposed oversight roles to make money in stocks, become exceedingly wealthy and more detached from the needs of working people.
The Democrats have exclusively run pro-business national candidates for the past 35 years. It’s naive to think without serious pressure from the Left (whether that’s internal DSA pressure or something else) they’ll put forward policies that actually help the working class. If someone doesn’t want to be in your big tent with AIPAC, pro-business sycophants you portray them as ideological purists. Unreal.
Why can’t democratic trifecta states right now pass $25/hr minimum wage tethered to inflation?
Most states with a democrat governor have 15$+ minimum wage. So the democrats have already done that. It is good enough? No, but it is better than nothing.
If someone doesn’t want to be in your big tent with AIPAC, pro-business sycophants you portray them as ideological purists.
Bernie literally almost won the democratic primary. But nowadays, not even Bernie or AOC are good enough for modern leftists, because they prefer Israel to continue existing.
I am not an american btw, but your first priority as an american should be to get rid of the literal nazis. This isnt about policies, this is about the foundation of a democratic state. This is what is at stake.
Look at Hungary. Is Magyar a good guy? No, but that was secondary to the main fucking point, which was getting rid of Orban and his cronies. This is why everyone, both left and right, supported Magyar. Will it last? Probably not, but at least maybe now Hungary can slowly become a normal country.
It’s naive to think without serious pressure from the Left
The time to reform the democratic party is during the primaries and the time to put extra pressure is when the democratic party is in a position to actually do things. Once the democratic party is in charge, we can start talking about policies(as the main issue), we can start talking about reforming the electoral “winner takes all” system, etc.
Ask yourself, where are all those student protests about Palestine nowadays? The radical leftists are the biggest opposition of the Democrat party and intentionally or unintentionally the biggest supporter of Trump. The no kings protests were the biggest protests in the history of the US and you still had tons of permanently online leftists shitting on them for some reason.
History doesnt repeat itself but it often rhymes. From the wikipedia article on the communist german party(KPD), before the nazis took over
In this period, while also opposed to the Nazis, the KPD regarded the Nazi Party as a less sophisticated and thus less dangerous fascist party than the SPD, and KPD leader Ernst Thälmann declared that “some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forest [of social democrats]”.
We have been doing the “both sides are the same” since the beginning of time. But no, both sides are not the same. A shitty side that at least respects some basic democratic foundations is preferable to the literal nazis.
There is no communism, there is no democracy, there are no pro worker policies, there is no dialogue, there are no elections, if you have literal fascists in charge.
What can I say: your analysis is just wrong based on recent history, and I fundamentally don’t agree with it.
It is not a winning electoral strategy to deny that there are inherent and accelerating economic issues, being experienced by the majority of working people in this country. It’s obvious that failing to made a compelling appeal to the working class and delivering policies that continue to exacerbate wealth inequality have led to string electoral losses for Democrats. “Now is not the time” has been the same message from the Clinton wing for decades at this point.
Continuing down this path is precisely what has allowed the Right to claim a Bonapartist coalition of disgruntled, alienated working people and is marching us right down the road to Fascism.
Working people can feel the pain of economic exploitation increasing over time while they receive a lower share of wages for increased productivity. A Democratic pitch, which is based in returning to normalcy that is not livable is not a winning pitch.
2021, under Biden
That’s only true if you count independent senators as Democrats for some reason.
Did you forget to edit the article before you linked it or something?
Why are you so aggressive and disingenuous? You can look at the link and see that it’s directed to #cite_note-independent-6, which states,
Both independent senators — Angus King and Bernie Sanders — have caucused with the Democratic Party since joining the Senate.
Biden didn’t fail to pass legislation because of Bernie Sanders and Angus King…
Democrats say vote, you don’t, they don’t get power, they can’t do shit, you blame them for asking you to vote, you don’t do it again, it’s everyone else’s fault but yours.
“But I voted once in 2012, and it clearly didn’t help, therefore the whole concept of democracy should be abandoned”I voted dumbass, it didn’t fucking matter and it never will because voting can’t stop fascism. Liberal democracy does not have an internal route for stopping fascists. It has failed to do so in every historical moment where it had the chance.
you’re right
Thanks, that means a lot
If only you had an ounce of self-awareness…
Fortunately voting isn’t mutually exclusive to any other flavor of activism. So, unironically: yes, please do vote, as often and informed as you’re able to.
Light up some billionaire’s warehouse on the way home if you want, but voting is easier and safer than pretty much any offer method of driving some rapid reform, so start with voting, and take whatever other action you feel still needs to take place.
Lots of hate on voting lately… Why? Use every tool we’ve got.
Problem is in a lot of states voting does jack shit unless you’re on the side of the party the majority of your state votes for. In 2024, 70% of the registered voters voted and the conservatives won by a massive margin. Protests happen every once in a while here, but if you say anything at these to encourage other forms of political movement and you’re quickly shut off cause they’re afraid you’ll hurt the movement.
Propaganda. It’s easier to deactivate the opposition than to convert it.
Unfortunately voting requires electoralist action, which takes a lot of effort and motivation from those doing it (literally year-long amount of man-hours) which absolutely is mutually exclusive with actually useful things
No, we’re just talking about actually voting here. Don’t add a bunch of stuff. You don’t need to canvas to vote. And in the context of the thing written, what action do you think people bitching in this thread are genuinely going to take? How many walmart firebombers are among all the terminally online leftists here?
I mostly agree. I see nothing wrong with voting, though I understand the folks who didn’t vote in the last presidential election. I don’t think voting matters all that much outside of local elections but do what you will. It’s getting a lot of hate rn because it has felt very ineffective at preventing fascism and people are seeking alternatives.
I share that frustration, but discouraging voters from showing up isn’t going to help anything: focus your anger at the actual fascists, not the ballot box.
Actually achieving some meaningful reform is a complex project that requires every tool in the box. If you run into a stripped screw, don’t get mad at the screwdriver for not working, but instead reach for your other tools to use alongside the driver. Might need to grab it with a vicegrip (like a general strike) or whack it with a hammer (like a molotov cocktail), but don’t just discard the screwdriver - the screws aren’t all stripped, and the project is a lot bigger than just the one striped screw. If the next screw is also stripped, by all means light up another, uh, hammer… but the screwdriver is the easiest and most effective option for the parts of the project that aren’t already fubar.
So… advocating for alternatives when they’re called for: absolutely necessary! Throwing the screwdriver away: unnecessary and critical error.
What we need is labor movement power like work stoppages, but far more organizing is needed before we can do that effectively
Well, according to the logic present in this very thread, some people have tried organizing, but they haven’t single handedly stopped fascism, ergo organizing labor is useless, just like voting. There’s nothing we can do that doesn’t require a large amount of people to organize and invest time, effort and money. Of all the options, voting is (because of laws) still the cheapest, most legal, least likely to get you fired option. And we can’t even manage that.
I’m sorry but jumping to ‘organizing is useless’ makes absolutely no sense.
Why do you think you even have a weekend or benefits in the first place? The gains made by the militant labor organizing in the last century.
If organizing was useless, governments wouldn’t spend all the immense time and money to break, weaken, and dissolve unions. They do so because they recognize the real threat organizing has.
I’m not saying organizing is the one thing we need. There is no singular thing. A united front is needed. Every avenue both inside and outside the system. Co-opting the Dem party to be a party for the people, outside organizations like DSA to keep politicians accountable, labor organizing to wield our collective power to ensure our demands are met, voting, coalition building, mutual aid, International organizing, ect.
This is a class war, we have no luxury of choosing a single angle of attack.
Absolutely, convincing liberals of this necessity is imperative
