cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/46148690

Over the past few days, @MrKaplan@lemmy.world/@MrKaplan@piefed.world has banned multiple users, blocked entire comms, and now defederated from Anarchist.Nexus over their anti-Zionist stance.

This extreme overreaction and general power trippin’ bastard behavior stems from Lemmy.world’s history of pro-Zionist views. And now MrKaplan is seeking out the flimsiest pretext to to enact his own personal vendetta.

Free Palestine, Death to Israel, Death to Zionism.

Lemmy.world is a ZioNazi instance. Avoid it like the plague.

      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
        6·
        5 days ago

        Zionism is an ideology and an overtly genocidal one, if they wanted to they could just drop it at any time

        • CannonFodder@lemmy.worldBanned from community
          3·
          6 days ago

          Thing is, that comment isn’t Zionism. It was pretty mild and was basically just a call out of the hypocrisy of responding to evil by doing the exact same evil. It’s perfectly reasonable moral stance, and you’re free to agree or not - but it’s poor form and will ruin Lemmy to ban discussion which is only pointing out the evil of genocide regardless of who does it. You can and should call out Isreal’s evil. But I don’t think we want to become the evil in the same way that some Jews persecuted by Nazis have now become the same evil. And of course context, and history of comments matter - but your knee jerk reaction was seemingly not about context or history, but simply not liking any discussion that doesn’t fit your perspective 100%. And that’s poor form - the whole point of Lemmy is for discussion, not a bunch of people blindly agreeing with each other. Now I’ll probably get banned for saying all this, sigh.

          • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
            16·
            5 days ago

            Yeah, equating calls to end Zionism/Israel with genocide/Antisemitism is absolutely Zionism, and banning isn’t nearly enough, but it’s all you can do to someone online.

            Fuck Israel and any genocide enjoyers that defend it.

          • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            14·
            5 days ago

            What you are doing is openly promoting Zionist apologia with your attempt at defending a Zionist. It’s not surprising Zionists don’t recognize their own Zionism as Zionism when it is being talked about as it actually is, a harmful ideology.

          • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            14·
            5 days ago

            Thing is, that comment isn’t Zionism.

            "See the thing is, he didn’t say anything about Zionism, he just advocates it, disagrees with anyone who doesn’t like it, and then says anytime you want freedom for people it automatically means mass murder because Zionist freedom is mass murder.

            But he’s not a Zionist, and don’t check his history."

            • CannonFodder@lemmy.worldBanned from community
              2·
              5 days ago

              I don’t tend to check histories. I look at a comment based on the comment. If you want to ban someone for a particular comment that warrants it, I guess that’s fine, but it seems wrong to ban someone for a comment that isn’t bad, even if you think they mean in some bad way because of other comments

              • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                4·
                5 days ago

                So you don’t think if someone has a history of being something, when they make comments defending it isn’t suspect?

                Why are you saying that guy is a weirdo? He’s only saying r*pe isn’t a big deal. You mean he’s a sex offender? I don’t look at people and their history, just the words they use now to justify their history.

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            14·
            6 days ago

            He is a very well known zionist. Many of his comments war removed for lying about palestinian claiming they do not want peace

      • Goferking0@ttrpg.network
        12·
        5 days ago

        Or him ignoring Jordanlund complaints that involved him censoring pro Palestinian news or stories about Israel.

        • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
          11·
          5 days ago

          Let’s not forget the roles lund and squid played in turning wirld news and political memes into their personal safe spaces and echo chambers.

            • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
              10·
              5 days ago

              Squid operated as both super poster, super commentor, super mod, and super confused around Zionism and Israel because they took everything critical of Israel as an antisemitism. They modded many of the major communities and created some of the strongest echo chambers which are still in place (world news and politicalmemes are some of the worst) where a very strict but unspoken orthodoxy is maintained.

              Really I just highlight them as yet another power tripping mod., and that as an issue, mod power and the ability to implement a form of censorship, even if implicit, through moderation, is substantial. World news and politicalmemes are basically broken subs because of moderation abuse, and squid was a primary contributed of the abuse.

              Lund on the other hand, for all the shit they get, I actually think is very fair in their application of the rules. The only issue I have is that the rules they insist on are outdated and stupid. Not being able to post video content or sites like dropsite or zeteo; it’s buffoonish. They treat news media as if it’s 2004 and nothing has changed in media since then. I agree with their arguments about reliability and editorial boards, but litterally, so many independent media have editorial boards and standards (they issue retractions et…). And not allowing video content? I mean come on grandpa…

  • Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world
    12·
    6 days ago

    I have no idea what’s going on here, should I move my account to another instance? For reference, I mainly use lemmy for fun and not for politics or drama like this. Also, created this account years ago when there were fewer instances.

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
      12·
      6 days ago

      The answer as always is do what you want. It’s the fediverse, you’re not tied to one account on one instance. If you’re looking for the instances with the least defederation lemmy.zip is a good bet. I’m very happy on lemmy.ml and lemmy.blahaj.zone for wider federation and hexbear.net for the instance culture

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    15·
    6 days ago

    Did y’all see the user was “MurderZionists” and was then calling people Zionists?

    It’s a valid ban. Next case.

    People who need to scream about murdering others, 4chan is that way. Go there.

    Israel is committing war crimes and genocide, but you gotta be this tall to ride, y’know. Everybody’s got one.

      • NotFrenchJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        7·
        5 days ago

        They are neoliberal DNC types.

        Calling everything “Nazi” is lazy and whitewashes a big chuck of zio-aligned mainstream politics that doesn’t explicitly identify as righter-than-center-right.

        • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
          10·
          5 days ago

          Those who conduct or support the genocide of a ‘lesser’ people are nazis. Whether they do so out of hatred or greed, the result is the same.

          • NotFrenchJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            4·
            4 days ago

            “Nazi” is not a generic synonym for “bad person” or “mass murderer” or “genocider”. I know it’s common place, but this is the laziness I’m talking about. If we start using every word by its generic connotations or goodness/badness, then these words will no longer serve as a distinctive epistemological tool.

            And there is actually a historical irony here, in the context of doing this with Zionism. The soviet union and its bolsheviks actually supported the Zionist entity in its first decade of existence, and actively so. Massacres against villagers and other events from that era didn’t cause any deterrence to that support. They even went as far as making Arab communists work as what would effectively be described today as Mossad agents. This alignment only started to shift circa ~1958.

            Should we call the soviets from that era “Nazis”?

            If we want to principally oppose Zionism, and we should be, then we need to be educated, informed, and diligent against falling for traps like those from the mainstream right-left political theater.

            • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
              4·
              5 days ago

              Those who conduct or support the genocide of a ‘lesser’ people are nazis.

              I think that’s a good enough approximation. And the current nazis are very much conducting the genocide of the native people. I said nothing about “bad person” or “mass murderer”.

              Should we call the soviets from that era “Nazis”?

              I think we should definitely criticise the Soviet support for all sorts of nationalisms in general, and this nationalism in particular. Yes the Russian Empire was cruel towards (most) minorities, but that doesn’t mean you need to create political entities that do not have the population or economy to support themselves. Cultural freedom might have been a better aim.

              However, the wish for a ‘Jewish’ state is still understandable, if it recognises an equal Palestinian state. The Israel of the 1950s was still problematic, but a far better country than the Israel of today.

              • NotFrenchJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                1·
                4 days ago

                And the mask is off.

                Massacres in 2024 are abhorrent and a very big deal. Massacres in 1948 were unfortunate, preferably not mentioned at all.
                Population displacement is abhorrent and criminal in 2024. But it was “understandable” in 1948.
                Colonialism in 1948 was okay whenever it had good enough red paint!

                Many of you are not against Zionism. You are specifically against the Jabotinskyists leading the Zionist entity’s scene today. And the opposition itself is not that genuine. It’s just a part of the moral posturing arsenal for scoring points in the right-left political theater.

                • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
                  2·
                  4 days ago

                  Sorry, how did you go from ‘the wish for a Jewish state is understandable’ to ‘massacres and population displacement are unfortunate / okay’? Colonialism is never okay. But there are levels of evil. The Israel project was misguided from the beginning, but it could have been justified in the immediate aftermath of the holocaust. Now? Not only are Israel’s actions openly genocidal, there’s no reasonable justification for attacking every country in the region.

                  You are specifically against the Jabotinskyists leading the Zionist entity’s scene today.

                  I don’t know about this. Has there been a change in Israeli leadership? I thought the change in policy was due to US influence.

    • captcha_incorrect@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      6 days ago

      Mostly not. I never see any of it, but I have taken to block any and all US politics (but even before that, it was seldom). It is there if you want to find it and feel like having pointless arguments with people.

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
        10·
        6 days ago

        .world politics try to pretend to be neutral on israel, but any mention of accusing them of zionism, or any people linked to israel is a potential violation to them, they will call you anti-semite(insinuate)

  • Limonene@lemmy.world
    12·
    7 days ago

    Who is “FHF”? If the reasons stated in the modlog are true, these seem justified.

    I’ve had a consistent antizionist stance and never got banned from lemmy.world. You can’t advocate murdering zionists who aren’t actively involved in murder themselves.

    • Samskara@sh.itjust.worksBannedBanned from community
      11·
      6 days ago

      FHF is fediverse hosting federation, the organization that runs Lemmy.world.

      Aggressively calling the admins Nazis is a perfectly fine reason to ban someone.

  • mrdown@lemmy.world
    11·
    7 days ago

    A zionist scum who is not currently loving in palestinian land and not involved in murder do not deserve to die . The guy advocating for killing all zionists deserve it, the other guy using the terms zionazis and shitlib do not

  • punkisundead [they/them]@slrpnk.netEnglish
    9·
    7 days ago

    Oh my. We definitely will uproot the zionism in Lemmy by … let me check … getting defederated. Great LARPing. Also BPR.

    Lets instead come up with methods that might actually be useful in pushing back zionism on Lemmy. Because for sure this aint it.

      • punkisundead [they/them]@slrpnk.netEnglish
        6·
        7 days ago

        Yes I love answering good faith questions! /s

        Dunno, maybe instead cosplaying militancy, instance admins and supporting users could try to build a coalition of instances & communities to pressure lemmy.world to change their stance on zionism but also on their admins power tripping.

        So like this but online.

        • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          17·
          7 days ago

          i disagree. the fediverse is a vote with your feet situation from my observations of it the past 10 years. with lemmy.world, we have

          • asked nicely, and seen them do nothing
          • asked rudely, and seen them perform the theatrics of something all while doing nothing
          • created easy paths for people to follow away from the most influential lemmy.world communities, and still the problem persists
          • and now we’re here. it seems like lemmy.world’s administrators will never change. i treat their users like they’re capable of change, just not necessarily aware, however, lemmy.world’s size has created in their admin team’s minds an attitude that they know best for the fediverse. i even find the name of their umbrella org, Fediverse Hosting Foundation a little concerning. it seems to de-emphasize their role in hosting a section of the fediverse and implies a higher degree of central importance than i’d ever want

          but then. i’m just a rural boy from a dead mining town in what the early anarchist philosophers in Russia called a “resource colony,” “internal colony,” or “sacrifice zone.”

          • punkisundead [they/them]@slrpnk.netEnglish
            3·
            7 days ago

            There is a difference between asking nicely / rudely and speaking collectively with the ability to present actual consequences, such as defederation of most non lemmy.world instances or full boykott of all lemmy.world communities.

            • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
              10·
              6 days ago

              A) dodging the question, I don’t need to have my own plan to criticize yours, if you actually had a good plan you’d have no reason not to answer plainly, you’ve got nothing

              B) my plan is dedederating, fucking duh

  • Salamence@mander.xyz
    47·
    7 days ago

    Hilarious, i wonder if Dbzero will defederate too since they have the flotilla thing with anarchistnexus

    Axis.world becoming fascist instance was going to happen eventually, they will probably call the flotilla instances tankie extremists to try to save face

    • BanLemmyWorld@programming.dev
      14·
      6 days ago

      I hope they do. The more they defederate, the more people will be willing to move to alternatives and finally leave them behind. People put up with Lemmy.world because of their size and how federated they are. When they defederate servers for being anti-Zionist they will lose their edge quickly.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      12·
      6 days ago

      Axis.world becoming fascist instance was going to happen eventually, they will probably call the flotilla instances tankie extremists to try to save face

      We’ve been call Tankie extremists for wanting Harris to support popular polices and illegally send weapons for genocide.

      Even within their electorial framework of “change” they still get mad at wanting to end genocide. Fuck em.

    • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
      11·
      6 days ago

      That’s exactly what they’ll do. It’s the ultimate libs move, everyone to their left or makes them feel uncomfortable with capitalism is an extremist, apparently.