The Mamdani Act would amend existing immigration law to prohibit the admission and naturalization of any noncitizen who is or was a member of, affiliated with, or advocates for a Chinese communist, communist, socialist, Islamic fundamentalist or other totalitarian party—or any organization that advocates those ideologies. Under its deportation provisions, a noncitizen already in the United States could be removed if they engage in advocacy for socialism, communism, Marxism or Islamic fundamentalism, distribute or publish material promoting those ideologies or hold membership in affiliated organizations at any point after admission.

You know he is a much needed anti-toxin, especially when they name a bill after him. Let the healing begin.

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    That means this bill has to define socialism. Good luck with that one bucko, if you have 10 socialists in a room, you get 11 definitions /s

    I’m genuinely curious how it gets defined. I’m wondering if it can be sidestepped with a simple word change

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      It’s reds under the bed. If anyone in a position of power says you’re a socialist then you’re a socialist and you get made stateless and dumped in Nigeria.

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        Yea this is absolutely red scare bs, but I’m morbidly curious about this thought crime

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      That means this bill has to define socialism.

      It’s not meant to have a definition. That’s why the proposed law denies judicial review. The “definition” is supposed to be whatever the ICE Officer(s) Gestapo wants it to be.

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      That’s not an issue with the law, it’s a feature. They don’t need to prove you fit a definition. They only need to prove that they can call you a socialist. Anyone to the left of whatever positions they don’t like are in danger of this law. It doesn’t matter if you’d call yourself a socialist, only if they would.

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      The law states tge process has no legal review, so its whatever definition ICE wants to use, since no judge can say its wrong.

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      I’m genuinely curious how it gets defined

      ?? whom ever is head of Immigration says it is… it will be deliberately nebulous so you can say "banned because they are a socialist " if you have dark skin and don’t wear Kirkland pants to the interview.

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      Probably would include someone who says “I am a socialist.” Hence calling it the Mamdani act.

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      I mean, every Anti-Woke person got a full on definition from Republicans which is described as an awareness of social inequalities within racial, gender, and workplace environments.

      So basically, all the right wing nut jobs wanted to “get rid of ‘woke’” is perfectly okay with the idea of having rights for me, not for you, that women, POC and LGBTQ+ people should have less rights than cis white men.

      They can define socialism all they want and the frothing low-IQ dipshits will still vote for it, even if the definition of socialism straight up tells them their lives would be better under it.

      It’s never about the definition. It’s never about any of it. It’s entirely about their own slice of pie. Anyone else getting any semblance of good will means less to them.

      It’s why they’re against gay marriage. If two men get married, it somehow makes his marriage to a woman invalidated.

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      Without a doubt these pieces of shit would’ve deported him, ur watching the same bad movie with an orange rapist as the lead actor, arent u, lol?

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    Mamdani is a centrist, he isn’t left. But since the Republicans are alt right and the Democrats are right, they consider everything else to be far left and label anything that isn’t right as communist. They don’t know what communism is. Even Trump labeled people communist nazis. Communists and nazis are the opposite of eachother. Americans are so, so fucking dumb.

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      He might not be as left as you’d like, but calling Mamdani a centrist is just ignorant

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        If he would be a politician in my country he would he centrist, maybe a fraction on the left of the centre. But if the rest in the US is either right or alt right, I get that he looks really left. But his political views are similar to our centrist politicians.

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          Yes to people outside the US.

          The Democratic party is centrist by pretty much every measure (especially outside the US), but Mamdani is a leftist.

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        If the only 2 parties are both right, anything else looks left. It’s a matter of contrast. But Mamdani is centre on the political spectrum, maybe slightly on the left but definitely not far.

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      Not even communist seems to know what communism is anymore considering China has went full on fascist as well as being an oligarchy for the last 70 years.

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        Mate, the USSR wasn’t even communist. Because communism doesn’t have a government run by elites and a dictator as a sole leader. It’s a wrong interpretation of what communism actually is, because bad people see a way to abuse the system to gain wealth and power. This is what happens everywhere. Rotten apples do not play fair and because of that always have an advantage in gaining positions of power. This happens everywhere. The USSR, China, modern day Russia, the US, etc.

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          Yes, that makes complete sense. Almost like democracy/socialism/communism is really just rhetoric for power and control.

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            No it’s not. They are concepts of how to have a society. They are different structures. The biggest issue with them is that in most cases they didn’t take into account the systems can be abused. Its hard to avoid abuse and corruption, as the systems are very complex. The more complex, the more opportunities there are for people to exploit.

            I can’t remember who it was. But some wise person said that people applying for jobs that hold power, should automatically be rejected. The only people who should have those jobs should be dragged against their will and put there, and should only be allowed to leave when they did good.

            Next to that I believe people with those jobs should have proper background checks, psychological tests and IQ tests. And they should always be held accountable for their actions.

            I think this is necessary to have systems like communism and democracy work somewhat decently, with a reduced chance of abuse of power. But I prefer anarchism, where there are no country borders, no huge huge governments who dictate their rules but small communities who manage themselves the way that works best for them.

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              I think we are splitting hairs here. I get you believe these concepts exist outside of reality as an ideal. I just don’t see it that way anymore. They are just excuses powerful and well connected people use to create the consent of the governed. The propaganda if you will.

              We are “democratic socialist state” or we are “unitary communist state” is inconsequential to the reality of policy and how the government(s) actually work.

              I agree with the reasoning that those who want power should not have it and those who don’t want power generally make better leaders as far as creating policies that benefit society as a whole. As opposed to just special interest groups.

              We would have to create an new form of government that was designed to resist corruption instead of embracing it to change this all to common dynamic.

              Having a pool of qualified and randomly selected individuals for representation is one idea I have heard. I think we need a truly radical approach to shake off the olgiarchies that the world is currently controlled by.

              Just like democracy, communism, socialism, anarchism, etc these ideals are just that. Unless we can translate these ideals to actual passed and enforced policies they are nothing but lip service.

              Call me jaded, but with the ever increasing worldwide wealth gaps no system has any answers and the few examples of anarchism, such as Rojava, have already been absorbed by the state.

              It seems anarchism could only exist in a vacuum which points out the need to develop a real set of enforceable and attainable policies to make it work alongside a state actor.

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      It’s never been that in its totality. It has always had an unspoken “for some” implied after “land of the free”.

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      “I have here in my hand a list of 205 that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.”

      “Or maybe it’s 57… or 10… maybe.”

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      Oh they learned, hence why we have Fox News and half of the government that will refuse to hold the worst US President ever accountable for his blatant acts of fraud and embezzlement.

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        Not just “giving up”, there are large portions who think McCarthy’s mistake was not simply murdering everyone who appeared before HUAC. My own father-in-law doesn’t really want these to be any form of actual “we wanna know what’s going on” trials, he just wants this to be all but a summary execution.