How many condemnations are we at now? I lost count.
None of this matters. Nobody is doing a thing and you can’t bring back the dead. Fuck Israel.
First, murica needs to stop giving them carte blanche, see if they smell the coffee…if they don’t…let them fight their wars alone and see if being hated and feared is enough to stay safe…
We give them a pass because they bribe our politicians via campaign contributions through AIPAC.
Yeah, it certainly is a uniparty in that respect…
israel only serves at the leisure of the usa in the ME, vice versa, and then use politicians serves at thier behest in order to countinue the expansionism of israel in the ME.
Fuck Israel
Fuck Israel
Yep, as long as the bombs and money keep flowing to them they do not care
No one’s doing anything about it because you can’t have a conversation without people shutting down if you’re not 100% aligned with their point of view.
I do think I get what you’re insinuating. People equivocate their language when speaking about the State of Israel because disingenuous players will say, “THAT’S ANTISEMITIC” because they’re trying to trip you up and make you sound like you’re talking about Jewish people and not Israel.
At this point, however, I think that Israeli citizens who are turning a blind eye to the issues are just as guilty as Germans who did the same. Moreover, I would extend this indictment to fellow American citizens who aren’t doing anything.
Yes, but it’s both side. You get called antisematic for saying anything against Israeli policies in some places, but I find on Lemmy you get called hasbara and banned for saying anything even remotely critical of Palestinian actions. There can be no discourse to find any kind of reasonable path forward this way. So everyone moves further to their extremist sides thinking the other side is inhuman because they won’t listen. And we end up in a situation where both sides see the only solution as the complete destruction of the other.
You would get banned for doing Russian propaganda and claim criticism of Ukraine do not make you a russian propagandist
I would hope if I repeated any Russian propaganda I would get called out on it. Then a discussion could take place on what we know and what is probably fabricated. And there is a place for valid criticism of Ukrane policies I’m sure - blind agreement with any side is ignorant. Obvious there’s a shit ton more of a place for criticism of Russian policies. And context matters. But banning people just because they don’t agree with the exact narrow narrative of a mod is counter productive. Obviously if someone is just blindly repeating garbage noise or is offensive then a ban has its place. But we’ve got to take care not to ruin Lemmy by banning everything that’s not 100% in agreement with the hive mind. That leads to vacuous discourse
No context justify settler colonialism and genocide. Tou won’t fins anything in internstional always. Defending stuffs like that are not opinions
Most russian apologists are refuting concrete evidences. Those should be banned
Yes I’ve seen Russian apologists say stuff that is completely at odds with everything that I’ve seen reported. I think they’re lying and spewing propaganda, but I know in war that’s fairly normal and the West also spews propaganda. There’s sometimes a grain of truth; sometimes it is diametrically opposite of the truth. And then it can be interesting to dig down to the root message being played. But banning discussion should be reserved only for toxic messages, not just those that you disagree with. I’m sure there are Russians who actually believe Putin is doing the right thing based on the information they’ve been told - isn’t it good to find their sources and prove how they’re lies? They probably won’t admit it on the spot, but you can change minds through communication. It’s at least good to try.
The only condemnation that will be effective will have a megaton rating
I don’t condone mass murder nor genocide nor any other weapon of mass destruction, even if the target is a vile government.
Just like here in the US, there are many, many people who are in utter disgust with how the things are going yet have ZERO control or ability to change the government other than vote and speak up. I’m sure there are still some people there who fight back. My ex, a photojournalist living in East Jerusalem spent the last 25+ years doing exactly that - granted she’s Jordanian married to a Palestinian, but she lives inside Israel. Should she be targeted by a bomb?
I don’t think you know what the word “targeted” means
I don’t think you get what a megaton bomb is.
I do.
It would level a few city blocks, hurt people for around 12km.
Much better then to let a country perform a ‘slow nuke’, right?
Israel dropped 25 megatons of explosives on Palestine in the first month of the war. It dropped 36 megatons on Tehran in the first week of this war.
While we hum and haw about your ex and other people that you place value on, more of the people you don’t place value on die and suffer endlessly.
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“Israel treats journalism as a crime” isn’t a condemnation, it’s a gross understatement. You don’t drop bombs on criminals and then bomb Red Cross workers trying to get them out of the rubble and shoot up an ambulance taking them to hospital. It’s hard to find words to describe how deeply evil the everyday actions of Israel are and people are constantly making it sound like some mild transgression.
Israel must be dissolved. They will soon pivot to “oh, but we can just change the government! This particular government was evil, but we can replace them with the good guys and go back to supporting Israel”, do not let them trick you. This is a genocidal, fascistic ethnostate from the top down. The entire purpose of the project of Zionism has been one of ethnic cleansing from the very start. Israel has got to go, forever, to be a historical footnote for school kids to learn about and say “never again”.
The state need not cease to exist. The same could have been said about post-WWII Germany yet it still exists today. I guess it would take a similar level of engagement, involvement and actions to resolve the current situation (hopefully minus the mistakes made along the way at that time).
Germany was dissolved post-WWII, and reformed later. It’s also not a great example IMO, denazification in Germany was half-hearted and quickly abandoned, leaving many nazis in positions of power.
Agreed, but I doubt a better and faster solution is in reach for the current subject.
There is no fast solution but the better solution was always a one state with equal rights
I’m not sure what you mean - if the international community embargoed and censured Israel in accordance with international law and withheld arms and support, the Israeli regime would collapse, very quickly - at which point the international community could step in and ensure that Palestine doesn’t become a failed state, and handle a peaceful transition and ensure a thorough and comprehensive denazification program with proper trials for those who committed crimes, and a period of truth and reconciliation. I also believe that nations who have supported Israel’s genocide of Gaza - such as the UK, Italy, Germany, the United States, et al. should also pay significant compensation to the Palestinian people.
Those in power don’t want to give us any of this. They should be removed from power, by any means necessary.
I must be too old and cynical to see it that way, but if that’s any excuse, I still respect people who stand for such aspirations.
Well, the same kind of WAS said about post-WWII Germany. It was joint-colonised for half a century and ceased to exist as a single independent state until 1989, and even then, German reunification was pretty controversial
Indeed, I shouldn’t have glossed over the time and difficulty of such processes. Whatever the solution, it’s unlikely the process will take any less than one generation or 30 years.
As if they fucking care about being condemned.
Condemned to what? Shame? We wave our fingers at them? Condemned doesn’t solve anything and tells them they can get away with it.
Strongly worded letters.
Israel killing innocent civilians is as required as eating kosher food.
Another day, another dozen war crimes
Israel: “Zero fucks given, as long as the US gives us everything we want, we will continue to kill whomever we want.”
The US (not just Donald Trump) has been enabling genocide, ethnic cleansing, and human rights abuses for decades.
This will all continue every day until someone shoots back.
Hamas and Hezbollah have been shooting back. It’s not enough.
They just take it as an excuse to bomb even more.
Israel’s excuses is a privilege not a necessity , thewy would still ethnic cleansing Palestinians . There is no other option but mix of armed resistance and diplomacy
Add it to the pile
Israelis are the inventors of the “double tap” tactic to take out rescue workers, medical workers, and even more civilians, the people who are helping. It’s absolutely sick. Oh and Obama utilized and popularized this tactic during his regime during which he dropped over 26,000 bombs on seven different countries (but don’t let the “vote blue no matter who” crowd know or they’ll attack me).
Death to Israel. Zero right to exist.
Every interview should start with “do you condemn Israel?”
in order to warp the narrative in the future, gotta bomb/kill the people reporting on it, so you can distract the next group of rubes from calling for your heads.
Stop condemning zios. Start killing them, wherever you find them.
Nothing done to any zio can ever be unethical.
