Religion can be about control, it can also be about personal belief and faith.
If you assume anyone with faith is brainwashed, there is no point in arguing further. I hope you have more experiences with different people and the wider world so your opinions might gain some nuance.
That’s the thing, I have had experience with lots of people and cultures. That’s why I’ve arrived at the conclusion I have. Religion can make otherwise intelligent people believe the most ridiculous things.
People can believe ridiculous things for any reason at all. Doesn’t mean I’ll detract from someone’s autonomy to wear whatever they want for whatever reason.
I didn’t say they can’t wear it. I’m totally fine with that. I’m not fine with religion and its brainwashing. The symptom isn’t the problem, the disease is.
No, don’t be ridiculous. That’s not why I think that. Religion survives from brainwashing. Look, I get we’re not going to see eye to eye on this. Maybe you yourself are religious and don’t want to come to terms with this. That’s fine. Can we agree that if someone is brainwashed they don’t truly have free will, but that we disagree on where/when the brainwashing starts/ends? That seems to be thr fundamental disagreement and you’re trying to twist it into something it is not in order to win a debate we’re not having.
I’m not trying to twist anything, I’m going off what you said about religion and brainwashing. We do fundamentally disagree on whether a religious person is brainwashed or not.
I won’t agree to the caveat, but here’s why: Brainwashing isn’t a definitive term. People can be coerced, but even then the lines are fuzzy. You can be coerced to do one thing while having complete freedom in another choice.
I’m an athiest and I’m not spiritual. But if you don’t want to engage any further, we can stop.
Religion can be about control, it can also be about personal belief and faith.
If you assume anyone with faith is brainwashed, there is no point in arguing further. I hope you have more experiences with different people and the wider world so your opinions might gain some nuance.
That’s the thing, I have had experience with lots of people and cultures. That’s why I’ve arrived at the conclusion I have. Religion can make otherwise intelligent people believe the most ridiculous things.
People can believe ridiculous things for any reason at all. Doesn’t mean I’ll detract from someone’s autonomy to wear whatever they want for whatever reason.
I didn’t say they can’t wear it. I’m totally fine with that. I’m not fine with religion and its brainwashing. The symptom isn’t the problem, the disease is.
But you’re still saying they’re not making the choice of their own free will, which is still anti-feminist.
I disagree. Why is not wanting women to be brainwashed anti feminist?
Assuming they’re brainwashed because they don’t share your ideology is.
No, don’t be ridiculous. That’s not why I think that. Religion survives from brainwashing. Look, I get we’re not going to see eye to eye on this. Maybe you yourself are religious and don’t want to come to terms with this. That’s fine. Can we agree that if someone is brainwashed they don’t truly have free will, but that we disagree on where/when the brainwashing starts/ends? That seems to be thr fundamental disagreement and you’re trying to twist it into something it is not in order to win a debate we’re not having.
I’m not trying to twist anything, I’m going off what you said about religion and brainwashing. We do fundamentally disagree on whether a religious person is brainwashed or not.
I won’t agree to the caveat, but here’s why: Brainwashing isn’t a definitive term. People can be coerced, but even then the lines are fuzzy. You can be coerced to do one thing while having complete freedom in another choice.
I’m an athiest and I’m not spiritual. But if you don’t want to engage any further, we can stop.
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