Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
Rimu
What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
Kicking from all Matrix PieFed rooms
Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
Rimu has been manufacturing non-stop drama for weeks. He ignores multiple offers from multiple parties to de-escalate, and now he bans someone for trying to promote non-discriminatory language. He has also now cut off a PieFed admin from any and all support and ability to contribute to the software.
Oh and the real kicker ? Rimu did all this after his big grand post about how he is stepping back from drama and hiding away from users.
Yeah, that is a weird jump in accusations. Like… completely non-sequitur. If some important context isn’t missing, this is weird behavior. possibly a sign of pathological issues.
so, yeah, unless something important is missing, PTB
Stamets wrote up an amazing summary of events so far if you can find it.
There’s a lot of previous drama Rimu has made that you can see across the few posts below this one and on the Fediverse comms. The latest thing was he shadowbanned quokk.au so their posts don’t show up in all or new users can find the instance to join.
He’s declared war on anarchists and all other leftists basically.
Edit: He has now provided his “justification” for the act
Mind you he hasn’t kicked anyone else on the same “side” as her.
man, why are devs, so often, just sources of bullshit
she has to deal with the consequences of her actions (which I hand out)
Mind you he hasn’t kicked anyone else on the same “side” as her.
No one besides an “individual moderator” here on dbzer0 has made him upset enough to do so. I reckon that’ll will change soon enough.
Can you link to any of these messages? I can’t seem to find these conversations back.
I think it comes from here: https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/42555819/20454941 ?
Well the reason is obvious after all
I don’t get it
“Obvious reasons” was all Rimu said to explain why he shadowbanned them.
I’m making fun of his lack of communication.
thank you, gonna switch instance
You’re welcome.
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the PTB continues
mia:
asks to remove insult to peoples intelligence from the function name for the hardcoded ‘low effort’ post filter
rimu:
‘i’ll have you know i am not transphobic, see i made a pronoun tag’
mia:
attempts to de-escalate and explain that this was not a personal criticism
kicked
Oh and the real kicker ? Rimu did all this after his big grand post about how he is stepping back from drama and hiding away from users.
when i read that post the subtext was always ‘i’m isolating myself from anyone critical, only interacting through alts and toadies going forward’
like say what you will about the lemmy devs they’ve received way more criticism, targeted harassment and smears over the years without needing to turn it into a big vendetta like this has been. for example i’ve said that i think nutomic should step back in the past because of his actions! while i wish he handled that situation better and
while i wish his apology for it was better,
at least since then he has left us alone and has largely stepped back from moderating things, rather than attempting to actively silence all dissent
PTB
“look at me im an ally!” like no bro, you dont get to decide that yourself. because you didnt get a pat on the back for this, or an apology for your perceived wrongdoings you ban them, immediately after they try to peacefully deescalate the situation. crazy behavior.
Apparently, so long as someone isn’t openly anti-AI, it’s ok to use bigoted language towards them. This is, sadly, pretty standard fare for the typical liberal, who is perfectly happy to descend into homophobia or transphobia if it means they can use it to mock their their political opponents.
the more I see of Rimu’s behavior, the less inclined I am to believe he’s an adult.
There is a fork going, right? Could you link it?
This is particularly hilarious God Complex behavior coming from the person that just recently tried to argue for essentially a Fediverse UN… 100% missing the entire point of federation, that there is no one single central authority.
Like this is lolcow behavior, just very plainly.
Why is every maintainer of the threadiverse unhinged, like I switched to piefed partially because I disagreed with the politics of the Lemmy devs, and recently the piefed dev does weird stuff. Does making foss software really have that big of an effect on someone’s mental health?
It becomes tantalizing when you have your software running on others systems to see what you can get away with.
FOSS is notorious for egomaniacs. That’s why there’s so many forks and endless implementations of basically the same shit! Just with some new unpronounceable name that’ll often be abandoned in short order.
The unfortunate truth is people who are enamored with programming find it so enticing because it’s a part of the universe that works exactly the way you tell it (for better or worse). Kind of like how kids who are traumatized build forts to hide in or something.
If code doesn’t do what you want there’s a way to fix it and make it behave. There seems to be a correlation where the best programmers can’t tolerate the unpredictability of other human beings or reality…
To be clear, yes I’m a programmer too, and yes I built forts as a kid so this is speaking from experience from talking to other IT/programmer people 😂 it’s a common theme I’ve noticed.
It’s because FOSS attracts libertarians and anarcho-NATOists (not exclusively). FOSS social media attracts liberals. Multiply all that by Reddit, well, you create my favorite bloodbowl ever. No offense you all probably mean well, on some level, but it’s just people following different forms of idealism suddenly losing their shackles to one part of Silicon Valley. Interested to see where it all… ends up? Maybe it won’t end up, it’s not impossible.
Jessie what the fuck are you talking about
Don’t get me started on Debs!
I can’t believe Rimu is antagonising friendly Quokka. What happened to him in the last few weeks?
When a lot of people criticised him and left the Piefed general group chat he responds so poorly.
I feel like Reddit Gold is a more respectable purchase than donating to CreampieFBI
For the curious, here’s that antiableist list
As for insults, be creative with your words and do so without being ableist.
So we should not say someone is stupid, rather, that they could not find their ass with both hands, could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag, could fall into a bucket of titties and come out sucking their thumb?
I’m not sure that that’s better.
within context
reply_insults_intelligence
Thanks for sharing, do you know why disabled is preferred over handicapped? As a non native speaker they carry the same meaning/connotation for me.
What language?
“Handicapped” connotates the person can never be reenabled or regain ability. It also undermines enabling tools. It’s often used as belittling language, instead enablement.English is also not my native language.
Nice, thanks !
The list is recommending stubborn as an alternative to delusional, but I thought that meant someone born without limbs ? isn’t that super-duper-ableist ?
Wiktionary says “uncertain origin” but in doubt I would just abstain
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stubborn
edit I think I confused stub with stump.
Stump means “what remains of a limb that was cut off”. My bad…Isn’t the idiom “hard-headed” more precise?
The etymology of stubborn still eludes us.
“Unwilling to budge” is also accurate.I’d rather use hard-headed, or something to do with a mule (as we say in french, mulehead)
What do you expect from a communist like Chairman Rimu. He has already decided what is best for you and vibe coded it into being.
Communism is not the problem, dictatorship is.
It’s crazy how you see someone with a problematic take, see they’re a communist, and instead of complaining about the problematic take, you focus on the communism.
It’s a joke making fun of his hypocrisy. Rimu is notoriously anti-communist and anti-AI yet he used to post shit like this.
I see. But also, people change their minds
I read this as completely the opposite: Why has a self proclaimed Stalinist decided to ban antiableist language on his code, if not to continue oppressing the proles? @Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com is just showing us he’s still bigotted like his heroes.
In order to defeat bigotry, you have to learn the origins of where the bigotry comes from. And if it’s concern for centralization, then it’s justified concern to have in a supposed decentralized network.
Any ideology can be corrupted by wankers in charge.
“stupid” is problematic
no it isn’t
To me, this is an example of something that people blow out of proportion. Is the word stupid to describe someone’s post mean? Yes, a little. Could it be improved by renaming it low effort? Definitely. I see no reason why this would be controversial.
Does that mean the word stupid is bad in all contexts? No, probably not. If your friend is being stupid, there’s just being stupid.
Can you think of any words with a similar connotation that are problematic? What differentiates which are acceptable?
yeah i can think of a few, you thick dense cretinous moronic stupid idiot. but why be so coy? say what you mean
I’m not as impressed with you as you are. Cretonism has a specific meaning and is associated with a medical diagnosis, you ignoramus. The rest have a similar history, but I wouldn’t expect such a bufoon to know any of that. A clown with such mundane, unexciting insults should avoid engaging in contests of wit. Even if you’re not intentionally being a jerk to save yourself two minutes with a thesaurus (which is a book that gives you words similar in meaning to the one you look up), you’re basic. Lurk more.
I would agree, but for them to get triggered by someone saying it is also stupid. Feel like I would have said “feel free to submit a PR”
I would have said “feel free to submit a PR”
That was my thought.
From me elsewhere:
a change to code that would have some small positive benefit (for the people bothered by it) and no real negative other than, say, accepting a pr taking a few moments of time?
I honestly wouldn’t have even read the original request as anything other than “Hey I’m bringing this up before I make these super simple changes and a pr, cool?”
Which, to me, is just open source friendly chat and a way to say “If you were going to make a change here I won’t waste my time submitting on this” or “Maybe you’d want some more word options so I don’t waste anyone’s time”. The reaction is way different than what makes sense to me.
You have a very rational way of seeing it, and I would have done the same thing. Only thing I’d say for the original asker is to be a bit more direct, they dance around it a bit, but that’s a nitpik at most.
A story, I remember about 7 years ago I was asked to go through and rename every instance of “whitelist”/“blacklist” to “allowlist”/“denylist”. I stand by that searching through the codebase and having me do that everywhere was a waste of time, it took me about a full week of time just to do that change with DB migrations and frontend updates and everything in just my chunk of code, I can’t imagine how much time was spent company-wide. I found out it was actually pushed by the “People Department” as they called themselves then, and they did not care at all that it was in code only and not even visible to anyone. But I rolled my eyes and did it, it’s just one of those things. I do purposely choose allowlist/denylist when writing new code because I understand it, but I also stand by it was asanine and meaningless to waste time and have me do all of them at once. A better mandate would have been “If you see whitelist/blacklist, you should now change it to allowlist/blocklist as you come across it, with teammates holding that bar in PRs. No modifications should be done without also updating the naming”.
A better mandate would have been “If you see whitelist/blacklist, you should now change it to allowlist/blocklist as you come across it, with teammates holding that bar in PRs. No modifications should be done without also updating the naming”.
Yup! This is how I handled it, along with some other similar language changes in more industry specific language use cases. Only exceptions were user-facing dialogs. Surprise, surprise, everything that needed to be changed happened over the course of a few months anyway.
Yup, and probably a lot less engineering time too since those who came across each one knew the details of what they were working on, and what the implications of the change would be. Vs what I had to do which was learn about each one, make sure I wasn’t destroying something, making sure no one else depended on, repeat times like 30.
Plus I didn’t even have to justify the time involved either, since there was already a stakeholder for whatever changes needed to be made, it just went under the same hours as part of the required changes based on current standards.
Obviously community driven open source is a bit different (our code is open but still driven by business activity, so it didn’t really come up otherwise except in rare scenarios), no need to justify hours or anything, so its even easier.
Wait you got paid for that? How the fuck is it a waste of time then? Most of that time was wasted in exchange for a fraction of the value you produced
Oh of course, the entire engineering team was halted and it was mandated from the top. Everything stopped. Stupidest thing I’ve ever seen, I’ve never seen an HR department - sorry the “People Department” wield so much power. Completely stupid. They took no input on how we should do it properly.
This is probably one of the most terminally online things i’ve seen so far
PTB, @rimu@piefed.social just loves to manufacture outrage for stupid reasons, or for no reason at all. That response and kicking @Quokka@quokk.au was straight out of left field.
“stupid” is ableist?
Yes, always has been.
That’s stupid
No, you’re stupid!
You’re stupid times two!!!
before too long there will be very few words left that aren’t labeled as scary and harmful.
You only feel that way because bigots constructed language for way too long.
Yes John H. English was actually a bigot. and his friends who created the english language from scratch in a big room also were bigots!
an outrage!
True
And we’ll have no word to properly describe the beliefs of the fascists who are murdering us
yeah I looked up the definition of stupid just to be certain. its just an insult and not an ableist slur.
It’s still dehumanizing.
Like calling non-humans stupid beasts or dumb animals. That’s what it seems like they’re doing here. Stupid is just shorthand for “(lessor) humans with (worthless) opinions that I don’t like.”
i disagree with your interpretation. stupid is an insult. a mild one. and nobody is going to take the request to stop using it seriously. as its quite a silly notion.
Now you’re attacking silly people. Why the hostility?
We could never call them fascist beliefs, no they would be confusing.
your executioner prefers you to say ‘unalive’ pls
The sponsors really don’t appreciate harsh language on the execution live streams, it’s for all ages
Extremely bizarre behaviour.
I’m not a close (or any kind of) follower of these dramas, but judging by the kind of unhinged “fans” PieFed seemed to attract, and the expressed reason(s) for that attraction, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if trying to appease them for months is taking a heavy toll.
