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      old societies have old voters, too little work force to for example keep up infrastructure, slow innovation/progress, and a dyeing countryside,

      these are all downward spirals

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    Sounds like a problem for those who rely on stealing the labour value of others to maintain their wealth and power.

  • HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub
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    Young people are needed because they are the only ones creating any value worth taxing or stealing.

    BUT! There are more old people than young people, so democratically we skew policy towards “fuck young people”.

    This means young people emigrate and not reproduce, so the country starts spiraling into economic oblivion.

    So… we blame young people and move policy even further towards “fuck young people” while hoping that immigrants will emigrate away after they are done adding value we can steal. Spoiler - they will not emigrate.

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      It’s almost as if you neglect young people’s needs, you get fewer. Who could’ve known.

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        A situation that is avoidable turned into a hell scape for young people. And as fascism engulfs us, all the blame gets put on the youngest who speak out.

        This neglect is what fundamentally will lead us into fascism. Laws are already there, the young in Australia & UK already feel the effects of suppression of speech. And the hatered towards this lack of trust is growing within all impacted age groups.

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          I don’t think this situation has been avoidable.

          According to the rules of democracy country should pivot towards the interests of majority. As majority ages, this means that country policy should start favoring old people… because if it doesn’t they will just vote in someone who will.

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    Declining birthrates are a good thing for sustainability. But it’s a generally a bad thing for the older generation as they need the economic and societal support of the younger generation.

    Can’t be a pyramid scheme unless the base keeps growing.

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      The decline in birthrate is also catastrophic for the “infinite growth theory” adhered to by the “line go up” crowd. I fear that unless drastic things are done to compensate, it will lead to outcomes that translate to terrible living conditions and compounding population decline.

      I think the rich and the policy makers have this fantasy that if things get bad enough, it will trigger increased procreation, but just the opposite, actually.

      I guess they’ll learn whether they can eat money.

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        We are so much more productive nowadays and so much more could be automated. With a fair wealth distribution, we could easily retain our standard of living despite our declining population. Could.

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          I would argue yes, but to a point. Should the population continue to be below replacement, that would still fail, unless we get the “best case AI situation” where it acts as a benevolent godlike intelligence that makes robots for us and runs off of renewable energy and sodium ion batteries or something.

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    Used to be we needed the youth for service jobs and manual labor, but with AI and robotics, it’s not really a problem,

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    I don’t care because I want the human race to go away. We are not the same.

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    That’s actually the way

    Edit: okay, I will explain for those unaware: an economy that needs more and more people/resources to function is a disaster in making. So instead of multiplying like idiots we should re-make how we live on this planet

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    Read an article about Sweden the other day which is considered one of the best places to have kids in the world and is still struggling with low birthrate. People are not having kids because they have better things to do. That’s it.

    There’s only one solution for this: kid farms. Governments need to pay women to have babies that will grow up in state run institutions. The only problem is that’s a terrible idea.

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      Well… there should be a “right now” included in all discussions about birth rates. Case in point: Sweden. There is birth data from 1749 and examining that data show 2 distinct time periods, roughly before and after ww1. Before ww1, fairly even birthrates, after early 1800 increasing (to rather high level). Swedens last war ended 1812. After ww1 decline in birth rates, but an obvious 25 year long cycle instead. Last time there were black headlines about birth rates was 1999-2000. Sure enough 25 years ago and nothing to suggest that the long time trend has been broken. When the most recent slump in birth rates began all preschools and schools were full to the brim.