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    That headline is one of the stupidest things i have ever read. The dude is a politician, its perfectly fine to attack him with a political motive. Any attack on him would be politically motivated… If someone does things that are morally reprehensible, then they should be attacked for it.

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      You’re missing the point entirely, probably because you don’t have the context. The NY Times worked with a Heritage Foundation political operative that founded the Ladies for Kavanaugh political group to accuse him of “abuse,” which they were not able to substantiate. It’s politically motivated because the NY Times, although liberal, is a Zionist paper that would rather have a pro-Israel Republican in the Senate than a Democrat who calls the events in Gaza a genocide.

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        I mean it explains why this headline is attempting to defend him, but the headline is still stupid. It should just read “The Attacks on Graham Platner Are Unsubstantiated”

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          But that is burying the lead again. Are the attacks unsubstantiated because legitimate victims simply cannot prove definitively that they were assaulted or put in a position of discomfort, or are the attacks unsubstantiated because they were made by a clearly partisan political actor? If you really don’t want to use the words “politically motivated”, you’d have to add to your headline that they were made by a pro-Israel, Ladies-for-Kavanaugh founder in order to accurately portray these attacks.

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      If someone does things that are morally reprehensible

      Well, that’s the rub, isn’t it?

      Graham Platner cheating on his wife is the worst thing in history. Susan Collins green-lighting multiple genocides overseas, while callously turning her back on constituents snatched up by ICE goons, is above reproach.

      Meanwhile, Ken Paxton cheating on his wife is a private matter and fake news and only a woke transgender illegal communist would mention it. James Talarico met his wife at Good Luck Charles (Austin gay bar) and eats a turkey leg like a vegan and spent half his life as a minister where he claimed God didn’t have a gender. All of that is also supposed to be super bad.

      “Morally reprehensible” is just “whatever the Democrat did” updated daily.

      And yeah, the headline is baby-brained. But that’s American politics in a nutshell these days.

      Graham Platner’s critics are operating with a politically motivated double standard.

      Should have been the headline as it gets to the nut of our Zionist media priorities.

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      The point the headline is trying to make are that they are baseless, they are making a mountain out of a molehill, it’s a smear campaign.

      The zionists, the oligarchs, the pedophiles, are all scared he will be elected and be a loud voice against them for like 6 years.

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        The Zionists and oligarchs are not afraid of a was criminal who went on 5 terror tours and loved his time killing brown people so much he got a Nazi tattoo to commemorate it, by his own gleeful unapologetic admission. His portrayal as progressive should insult you, not make you jump to defend him and accuse those accuse him of sexual assault of being liars so conveniently.

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          No one cares tankie. He just won by 60%.

          You guys will never win anything in this country because you’re incapable of relating to other human beings. Go back to sucking up to your maga buddies.

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          It says that we’re willing to accept a flawed candidate that can admit mistakes, rather than some purist. If you’re not willing to forgive and accept flawed candidates, the downward spiral toward fascism will continue.

          The other side doesn’t give two shits about running rapists and murderers, but we can’t run a candidate that admits a dark past and tries to make amends? These purity tests have got to end!

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            He’s unapologetic about his crimes and still talks about them proudly… At what point does it go from “flawed” to “rotten” to you? It might be impossible to change your perspective if you brush aside every accusation as a minor flaw.

            we can’t run a candidate that admits a dark past and tries to make amends

            He doesn’t. He never said he regrets his war crimes, he talks about them reminiscingly, he only calls the wars “pointless”, he has no moral objection to the crimes, he just doesn’t think Americans benefitted enough from them.

            He doesn’t identify the war machine as bad, on the contrary he wants to thank and honor and support veterans. Y’all need to stop pretending that’s a progressive idea.

            You only think in “their side” and “my side” to the point where your side winning is the goal itself, regardless of whether your side effectively does anything to advance what you think of as principals.

            Take his stance on Gaza, where he seems eager to cash in on people’s outrage by positioning himself as opposition to genocide, but you won’t see him ever address the real problem. He’s there to change the conversation and allow the status quo to continue. On Ukraine he’s happy to say that Ukrainian fighting the Russian invasion is “resisting with all the means that they can, and I personally think that we should provide them with support.” He’s unwilling to make a statement about Palestinians resisting genocide as needing support, he’s only ever willing to denounce past acts in a vacuum. Like a typical liberal zionist.

            He’s being branded as progressive by literally the same people that brought you Fetterman, it’s all aesthetics and zero substance, and you still have your arms wide open.

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              He doesn’t. He never said he regrets his war crimes, he talks about them reminiscingly, he only calls the wars “pointless”, he has no moral objection to the crimes, he just doesn’t think Americans benefitted enough from them.

              Beyond this I think the real smoking gun is that it is an explicit part of his platform that he wants to expand our navy. “Closing the shipbuilding gap” he calls it.

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        Remind me in in a few years to serve your words up for you to eat. This guy will go lamestream the moment he is guilded into the Senate.

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    Yeah he’s a fucking politician.

    If there’s anything you should attack its his politics.

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      Fuck that, are politicians a special class of people who are magically immune to the consequences of their choices? America already has one party willing to excuse anything because the policies sound nice, we don’t need two.

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        I, uh.

        Buddy what do you think my position is? I don’t want some pretend fucker with some Nazi ink on his chest either.

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          We might be misunderstanding eachother, I’m saying just attacking a politician’s politics isn’t it

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            Then what the fuck should you attack? His looks?

            Like you’re allowed, I just don’t think anyone would give a shit.

            What fucking point are you trying to make here?

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    You only need to look through the comments section here to find a bunch of fake outrage propped up by bad faith arguments. It’s hard to know the right wing bots from the useful idiots, but based on the ready supply of disingenuous shallow talking points I’d say most are in the former camp.

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      It’s hilarious seeing all the bot comments on Reddit posting disingenuous outrage about this guy, then he goes and wins the primary by 60%.

      No one cares about any of these fake scandals.

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        I mean, personally I don’t even live in the USA so it’s not like I can do anything about it, but it’s crystal clear that the kakistocrats really, really don’t want this guy in the running. If I could vote for him that would be good enough for me.

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    Articles backfired, voters don’t believe it.

    Also, where are the articles on Collins’ insider trading? Her voting record on the war and her defense contractor lobbyist husband? Her alleged infidelity with a man that she then married while he divorced his former wife while she was dying of cancer?

    Nah, instead “Platner has bad vibes ya know, though unsubstantied” is totally more worth it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ7PS26zGKY

    Also, Scott Pelley on the inside of CBS and zionist, conservative control

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dpK9lJ3ucw

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    Watching “progressives” downplay and excuse neonazi tats and allegations of domestic abuse has been WILD.

    Like some actual Republican-tier “I like his politics, so he must be a saint!” thinking going on.

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      60% victory margin. No one cares, bub

      Go donate to the heritage foundation since you love their manufactured scandals so much

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        “No one cares, he won” is a direct quote from my Trumper father. Be better, please :(

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        The only other candidate dropped out prior to the latest allegations against him. So he was running against a dead candidate. There’s still a lot of time before November, and who knows what other bombshells might come forward? I wouldn’t take a victory lap just yet. I’ve seen enough controversial MAGA candidates with personal issues sweep the primaries only to get gunned down in the general election.

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      It’s more like, “We’ve watched the media excuse a child-raping traitor and dozens of the most openly corrupt traitors in American history, so maybe we’re gonna tap the brakes about the things a post-war marine may have thought or did fuckin years ago.”

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          You’re an adult and you still came to the conclusion that “guy used to have a tattoo i don’t like” and “The President rapes children and his entire political party is cool with it” are the same thing?

          Son if you’re going to post an opinion, at least make it plausible.

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            “I don’t like nazi tats and domestic abuse” is an implausible opinion? Sure thing bud, I bet the RNC would love your wormlike moral backbone

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              LOL why do you bother arguing with yourself, like some kind of fuckin schizo?

              You make exactly zero sense. Like, none. Just blah blah blah, like Stephen Miller with somehow less charm.

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                “I dislike nazi tats and domestic abuse” is too hard for you to understand? Will smaller words help? 🤡

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      I like his politics, so he must be a saint!

      I’ve not seen that yet.

      It’s maybe more like the left is sick and tired of having this asymmetric requirement that it is that the Democrats that have to be as pure as the driven snow while the Republicans have no standards at all.

      I mean, the idiots within the Democratic Party chased out Al Franken, for fuck’s sake. Meanwhile, the Republicans rally around an absolute monster and total fraud like PEDOnald.

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        No, THIS guy with a fishy past and big promises will drain the swamp for real! Character? What’s that?

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        Blue maga are you corpo dems who spent the last 10 years telling us “vote blue no matter who” and “Joe Biden is the most effective president in history” (lmao) all while whining about purity tests (which you force on everyone else now) and going apeshit whenever someone criticizes corpo dems.

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          You are so incapable of critical thought you can’t even tell this populism bullshit is exactly what Blue Maga is. The Senate is a garbage institution that only exists to check the power of the people.

          But sure, pretend your guy is going to make a difference in the most corrupt institution we have. I will get your fell for it again sticker ready.

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      Haven’t seen anything actually substantiate the abuse allegations and they come from an extremely questionable source. People aren’t buying the bot propagated bullshit. Tattoos don’t make people a nazi, glorifying authoritarianism and violence while scapegoating minorities and being wildly racist does. The fact that he’s decrying genocide, praising diversity, and saying he will stand up for LGBTQ+ people makes every mention of him being a neo-nazi sound like a ridiculous joke.

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    I mean. My general opposition to anyone that self identifies as a Nazi could be defined as “politically motivated” because you know, he’s a politician.

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          US Military indoctrinates a young man into a fascist cult.

          Man matures, exits the military, shows genuine remorse, joins anti-war groups and becomes an activist in opposition to the US military’s fascist agenda, and then campaigns for high office on these anti-imperialist principles.

          The sitting Senator and sitting Governor call him a fascist, while continuing to defend the very military that enlisted and promoted him while he had the tattoo.

          Really makes you think.

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            Most of these people who are still stuck on the tattoo can’t believe that you aren’t born with the knowledge innately of what Nazi iconography is.

            I, as someone from a rural red distruct, can honestly say we did not spend much time on WW2 in school. Nazis were bad, atom bomb was bad, einstein was super smart. That was about it.

            We didn’t go over what brain drain is or why it would happen (it’s happening now)

            We didn’t go over that during the era of WW2 that segregation was written into and being written into law (Jim Crow), and that the Nazis themselves learned from how we Americans wrote our cruelty into law, sometimes even being abhored at our level of cruelty.

            And I haven’t watched many movies. Everyone points to the “are we the baddies” meme, and to someone who is not aware, it could just be a symbol that was used in place of a swastika. I, personally, didn’t know it was a totenkopf, or that word, until this controversy. To someone who doesn’t have that knowledge, it’s the equivalent of a decepticon symbol. Are the people that put that on their cars actually secret cybertronians?

            People who are still hanging onto this don’t believe people can change nor do they understand that what might be considered common knowledge online is certainly not known by every person. And most of these people seem to be authoritarian supporters, left, center, and right.

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              Most of these people promoting the “secret Nazi” idea also didn’t know what a SS totenkopf was before the story broke. It’s an obscure symbol that looks like a lot of common symbols, not a swastika.

              On the topic of bad history schooling, I don’t think my high school required history classes even made it to WW2. I feel like we covered the period from the pilgrims to the Civil War year after year though.

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              I mean, the joke of the Platner race is how much of the national media conversation probably never makes it to the average Maine voting household.

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          The woman who started Ladies for Kavanaugh specifically to descredit Christine Blasey Ford’s rape allegations is going out of her way to say that he knew what the tattoo meant - so he almost certainly did not.

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            I see. And when he still had it 20 years after being a checks notes mercenary for blackwater?

            Can we maybe do better than a stupid “maybe, maybe not” Nazi next time?

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              Graham Platner himself says he was a piece of shit during this period of his life and struggled with PTSD. He’s owned all of it. If you read his Reddit comments too, he does discuss the tattoo in depth and makes it pretty clear that many in the military get these types of tattoos without regard for the historical context, kind of like how people get “punisher” tattoos that work in law enforcement. A lot of these people are black or brown even, but they do it because it’s just a cultural thing in the military. Not saying it’s a good thing that should continue, but just that it doesn’t strictly identify people as Nazis. Actually, a lot of Platner’s comments on Reddit make it clear that he is pretty left, even identifying as a communist and democratic socialist. So, I think the kind of attacks you’re making are very shallow and we just have to look a little deeper to find the real story. Also, we should ask ourselves if we believe in redemption, especially for someone who struggled with PTSD. Also, recognize that letting Collins win is far worse and this race is about far more than whether this guy made some mistakes in the past. Do we want to see more MAGA republicans on the Supreme Court? Do we want a senator that rubber stamps Trump’s agenda? Do we want a senator that will continue to cut taxes for the rich, or one determined to raise them on billionaires?

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                its a shame that every argument in favor of Platner needs to be “well, he is better than the Republicans.”

                Some day we are going to get a candidate than is objectively good instead of just being better than the worst possible option.

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                  Ok I’m happy to offer up an argument for Platner that is not just “he’s better than Republicans”.

                  People are sick of the status quo and milquetoast dems saying they’re going to reach across the aisle when the other side of the aisle is tearing apart our democracy like meth heads looking for copper in the walls. Graham says things in his town halls that resonate with the truths that normal, working class people see: the system is rigged against them, it’s the billionaire’s fault, and we aren’t fixing anything without the working class standing together. If you genuinely aren’t aware of what he stands for, just watch any of his town halls (here’s one).

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                You know all those good cops with punisher tattoos. You can’t make this level of cognitive dissonance up.

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                  I guarantee you had no idea what the ss totenkopf symbol looked like until it became a useful political tool for you. It’s just another skull and crossbones to the vast majority of people.

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              We are all flawed but maybe we can find someone less flawed, historically makes better decisions and doesn’t outright guzzle the military industrial complex. I smell feterman vibes on him.

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        That would be nice. OF course, I EXPECT Republicans to nominate Nazis.

        When the Democrats do it too you have to kinda wonder what they are trying to achieve.

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      Platner said he and other Marines received the tattoo while on leave in Croatia in 2007. I believe this claim has been corroborated.

      Not saying Dick Cheney put a gun to his head over it, but there was certainly no shortage of fascist political leadership in the US military that year.

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        Not to mention how easy it is to find a friendly Croatian who turns out to have some links to weird Nazi shit in the war.

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    I really don’t give a shit about Platner. I don’t care how progressive or socialist he is. I don’t care enough about him to fight over him.

    Platner hasn’t done anything to show he cares about my politics except talk a lot and run for office. I can’t think of a reason for anyone to give a shit, except that he opposes Collins.

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      It would be so cool if the folks downvoting you could make a coherent argument against what you said.

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        A coherent argument against what? The comment says nothing of substance. It’s literally just some guy proudly proclaiming his apathy. That’s why I downvoted it.

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          Any response to my comment? You asked, I answered. Are you still thinking about it?

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          I’ll try to be very succinct in the argument I’d like for folks to address:

          All we have to go on to believe he is a progressive is his word. We have not seen him act on those words in a smaller political context, to see that he not only talks the talk but walks the walk, like we for instance could with Mamdani, Tlaib, Sanders, Cortez, etc. Other than his word, which we had for Fetterman, Sinema, Obama, etc as well, what makes you believe this man actually believes what he says, and isn’t just paying lip service to get into the senate.

          It was there in the comment I replied to as well, but maybe this rephrasing helps you out.

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        They can’t, because it is all a conspiracy to get rid of him. Just please ignore the conspiracy to get him elected.

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    I’m more worried about the fact he’s a murderous mercenary than whether his exes have dirt on him. They don’t have a democracy over there, though, so it’s this murderer or Susan Collins (a serial murder enabler). A political system that yields these choices needs to be discarded.

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      Good luck with that.

      Because generally, the best approach to a problem is to make it LESS difficult to solve.