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OpenAI is doing a much better job than China at getting people to hate AI.
Im not against data centers, that’s mostly where the internet runs from. Im against AI data centers though
I worry this may be a real problem though because there is not any real distinction in the messaging.
I work in a small data center. Its a 50x100 ft or so room with a few dozen racks of servers in a non descript old telco building. Not a giant water and energy sucking monster.
Just put a sign up outside that says “Not for AI” or “These are porn servers not AI”
“Local PornHub CDN”
A bunch of the anti-data center propaganda on social media doesn’t make this distinction and it makes it sound like they don’t know what tf they’re talking about, especially given that they’re posting it on a platform powered by data centers and pretty much every internet-based service they use goes through a data center. Even well known leftist accounts are doing this, and they need to get better about clarifying their message because the way they’re promoting it right now makes everyone associated with them look stupid
Considering this, I’m even more against data centers 😁
China didn’t attack Iran and send global oil prices sky high. China doesn’t bully my government into bad defence contracts.
I’m so tired of racist fear mongering about China. They aren’t a perfect country, but the suggestion of the United States judging any other nation right now is mind boggling.
China didn’t continually insist Iran was two weeks away from a nuclear weapon for five decades, nor did they bomb and kill the religious leader that expressly declared nuclear and chemical weapons are against God and Islam.
Believing American narratives at face value is an unhinged reality to live in.
Don’t forget 150 little girls on the first day of the “war”
America is the most propagandized place on Earth, after all.
They in fact made a law that makes it illegal to layoff workers specifically to replace them with ai
(China deff has done that second thing btw.)
Didn’t bomb Iran tho
China hasn’t dropped a bomb in 50 years. How many countries has the US bombed in the last 10?
(China deff has done that second thing btw.)
This a great example of how deeply ingrained racist anti-China fear mongering is in westerners: this person has zero evidence or idea if it’s true, but they’re just going to assert that it “definitely” is, based on nothing but their deep hatred of China.
Judging by their spelling, they’re not the sharpest spoon in the drawer.
True, but plenty of examples of people with perfectly fine stirring spelling and the same absurd beliefs in this thread
Australia has no defence contracts with China. Partly because of the “alliance” with the United States.
When he says alliance, what he means is how Australia is paying the US to cuckold it about 2nd hand submarines it will never get, while also paying the US to gaslight Australia that they will get them as long as they continue letting the US cuckold Australia until that makes them respect them enough to then sell the 2nd hand submarines.
Lol. It’s obviously a consortium of trans, immigrants and antifa that are behind it. While Michelle Obama and Soros are funding the operation.
You mean the well known male politician, Michelle Obama?
In a armless dress of all things!
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They’re taking away our freedom medislop to sell their own Pooh slop
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i’m neither from the usa or china. i hate their governments
I’m guessing the motive would for their AI to be in a better position
The rage against Data Centers must be because of filthy foreigners, it couldn’t possibly be because of how the 100% American billionaries and their bought and paid for 100% American politicians are imposing on everybody by hook and by crook something which for everybody but said billionaires is a net bad thing (since for everybody but those capturing the profits of Data Centers, the nasty side effects of them vastly exceed the minuscule benefits from them which are nothing more than a handful of new jobs per Data Center).
“Always blame foreigners” is a core practice American political discourse, quite independly of which side of the Power Duopoly one is aligned with, probably because it perfectly dovetails with the American Exceptionalism the locals are indictrinated in their whole lives.
*trillionaires
Any of you read the article that OpenAI wrote? Here’s a quote: “The operation sought to exploit and amplify existing public concerns about energy prices and local impacts of data center development, but we found no evidence of meaningful breakout beyond its own activity .” So it’s less “China is making you hate data centers” and more “they tried but it didn’t work”.
More like “We tried to blame it on China but couldn’t find evidence to back up our accusations”
But we put the accusation in the title anyway, confident that no one will read anything else.
It turned out people didn’t need China to find reasons to hate our data centers.
This is valuable because it shows that China believes this is a wedge issue they can use. Doesn’t really matter to me if it works or not tbh, just that it aligns with their interests is concerning. It would be really interesting if we had info about what other topics China or Russia are investing time into and how they align with domestic political clusters.
Just brainlessly taking openAi at their word. And then just randomly adding Russia in their, out of the blue, because to the fascist westerner “Russia and China” is just a single undifferentiated horde of evil foreigners.
… You believe openAI, why?
They absolutely do this but it doesn’t mean anti datacenter people are wrong. Russia, China, Iran all use amplification techniques to destabilize other countries. You don’t need a complex propaganda plan when you can just amplify every divisive topic and get brexit.
You don’t need a complex propaganda plan when the U.S. government and corporations conspire daily for new ways to fuck us over. It’s not propaganda at that point.
Why not both? The word propaganda is a bit problematic as it encapsulates too much these days simply because our information landscape is much richer. It can be a valid issue that is amplified by bad actors and it’s still propaganda.
What makes it apparent imo is the “water use” discussions around data centers which frankly are so delulu that it reeks of artificial stimulation. If you’re not familiar there’s basically no water use issue with data center in any meaningful extent other than moving water and we solved moving water 2 millenia ago.
Why not both?
Great standard of evidence there: “even when I have to admit the cause of a problem in the West might not be Foreigners, it could also be foreigners as well!”
Because calling it propaganda is also propaganda. It’s just another distraction from the fact that a man with 34 felonies has not been sentenced, nobody from the Epstein files has been prosecuted and both Democratic and Republican politicians are more interested in supporting Israel’s genocide than serving the American people.
Don’t see how “china is boosting datacenter misinformation” related to “US’ president is a felon”
I think you’re a bit lost here.
The profound xenophobia of westerners mean they don’t even hesitate to make assertions about “enemy” countries despite the fact they have zero evidence, not even bad evidence, other than their own gut feelings of hostility. What evidence do they have that china “absolutely attempts to turn Americans against Data centers”? None at all, but that doesn’t matter, it’s a negative accusation against a non western nation. What evidence do they have that Iran uses “amplification techniques” to destabilize the West? Well it just feels true, after all, they are coniving foreigners, and surely they must be responsible for the political issues in the West, as the West is too superior to be the source of its own problems.
More BS pre-IPO marketing PR, look our tech is so dangerous and scary China is trying to shut it down.
Even though China is basically in the lead with open weight models that use less energy to run (MoE) and cost (probably way) less than a tenth as much to train for around 90%+ the effectiveness of frontier models.
chatgpt is shitting on americans· how are people not supposed to turn on those grippers?
“Our PS2 is so powerful Iraq is building WMDs with it!”
I mean I would not put it past them, but I still hate the slop factories. Two things can be true at once.
Nah, don’t even give it credibility of thought. This is propaganda for sure. “Oh the Chinese don’t want you to have data centers, give us all your water and electricity so the Chinese don’t win pleeease”
China may not want the US to lead the AI races, but don’t forget these AI companies are trying to destroy communities in the name of corporate profits.
Having advanced AI is a key national security tool for any nations. While it is true that data centres are environmentally and socially damaging, it is to China’s advantage that the Western public turns sour on AI and data centres. So yes, both can be true at the same time.
Having advanced AI is a key national security tool for any nations
yeah clearly because Iran just ate shit against the US
oh but .ml so this will just end up being water off a duck’s brain
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“There’s no evidence, but I’m already deeply sinophobic, so I’ll that assume it’s true!”
China loves data centers though. How else are they gonna enable their mass surveillance?
You know American surveillance is 100x worse right? You’ve heard of Snowden and Assange?
Have you heard of…China? And cameras? Social credits?
They’ve been putting cameras and microphones in for decades over there. We’re just now scratching the surface with flock, can only imagine what it’s like over there with ai cameras now.
Google the social credit thing and then get back to me.
Also you know you have a credit score too, and it affects where you can live, what car you can drive, and where you can work, lol.
Google which country has the most surveillance…how is this even an argument lmao
Google is literally part of your government surveillance 😂
Any updates on the social credit thing? Did you read about how that was bullshit propaganda, lol?
Believing the US somehow has worse surveillence then China of all places…definitely some bullshit propaganda, agreed 👍
Have you heard of…China? And cameras?
Western liberals are the most profoundly unserious people on earth
It isn’t just surveillance. It’s about innovating. What created a strong tech sector in the west was innovation. China wants us to put down the new thing so they can build the patents and develop the sector. It isn’t great that AI exists. But rejecting it is going to hurt more than if we use it.
I’d argue that the current capitalism speedrun of shoving ai into literally everything is just as bad as rejecting it, if not worse.
For who? That’s how innovation happens. It’s like saying you don’t think it’s useful to read all the books on a subject. You can’t just open a page to exactly what you need.
Next after this post about chineese users,
A story about a man who says theres something on his shirt, is he gullible enough to fall for it?
*China based-users
China based users are not on the internet. They have they’re own intranet that never reaches the outside world.
Its only slightly inconvenient to get around The Great Firewall. Alipay and Wechat, which literally every phone in China have can be used to buy a HK-based esim@ ~40 cents/gb in 2 minutes, vpn services are also a thing, but less convenient. Its only necessary for blocked websites like google-owned ones though. Heres some dogs I saw in Nanning.
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