- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/54889123
You must log in or # to comment.
Naturally.
there were no clear objectives to begin with. Not even unclear political objectives. It was a war of choice for the sole purpose of distracting the world, and especially US citizens, of all the fucked up shit he was doing. Like Immigration and covering up the Epstein files.
And guess what. It worked.
now people are talking about gas prices and grocery prices and the war and not about epstein or his concentration camps.
The people who would be upset about ICE or corruption or Epstein are already upset about it. Everyone else is a collaborator or a bystander that’s varying levels of contemptible. Nobody is really going to be swayed by “distractions.”
What I dislike most about this narrative is the idea that if we stayed locked in on Epstein or what have you, it would all be over.
Talking about problems doesn’t inherently fix them.
If 7 hours of 4k footage of Donald Trump raping children were aired on every major news network, what would the American people do differently from what they’re doing now? The correct answer for the vast, vast majority I think is “fuckall.” Anyone who’s paying attention can reasonably determine that Trump is a vicious sexual predator and client of trafficked women and children, but the only question that matters is “what is anyone going to do about it?”
He was acting under orders from Netanyahu
Israel stole even more of Palestine, as well as significant amounts of Lebanon
They’ll keep stealing more while the rest of the world looks uncomfortably at their shoes for fear of being labelled antisemites
Come on . No western politicians support for israel is about the fesr of being called an antisemite
Not sure we have moved on from the Epstein files and Trumps involvement in them. I remember seeing lots of talk about the Epstein files all throughout the epic failure of a war.
I won’t move on till the victims get their justice. Not even trumps death is gonna change that. It’s not just about one very implicated orange fascist.
recently trump is hastily installing right wing federal judges, who were laywers that was defending him in the epstein lawsuits. he definitely to quash this sooner rather than later.
We can talk about more than one thing.
We can.
But the mainstream news doesn’t.
I think it wasn’t just distraction from the Epstein files. It was also a way to manipulate the stock market. I.e. buy stocks, start a war that will raise those stocks as a side effect, then sell them. I just have no way to prove it
you do realize high gas and grocery prices make them way more unpopular than the epstein files could?
It was never America’s war.
More obviously than about any war in modern memory, this was a war of the oligarchs - of Trump and Netanyahu and the Republicans and the Zionists - of Palantir and AIPAC and Raytheon and OpenAI.
The American people fought it and will end up paying for it, but it was never their war.
Cope. It is the USA’s war
Almost all wars are the war of the oligarchs
More obviously than about any war in modern memory
Ooph that’s a tough call. More obvious than Iraq 2? “WMDs!!” was even more of a joke in iraq than it currently is in iran, which is saying something.
They literally flew in military transports full of cash which remain unaccounted for, spent by the VP’s company and a mercenary oligarch whose cruelty and graft were so well known he then had to change the name of his company twice.
And that’s not even getting into the insanely illegal corruption that was the coalition provisional authority.
Right, but they also went out of their way to drum up as much public support as they could first. Granted that it was all lies and greed and corruption, at least they went through the motions of trying to make it a war the people supported.
Trump didn’t even bother to do that much.
Even though it’s just two variations on awful, there is a difference between pretending that the people matter and not even bothering to do that.
“The best summary of Trump’s trade “philosophy” comes from Trashfuture’s November Kelly, who said that Trump is flipping over the table in a poker game that’s rigged in his favor because he resents having to pretend to play the game at all.”
Good, the sooner this nonsense is ended the better. Good that Iran is getting money to rebuild. If only all the oligarchic and corpo backers were charged for the rebuild not broke US tax payers.
I swear half of the neo liberal talking points right now are trying to talking like trump pulling out is a bad thing. The whole war is bad and it would still be bad if we won in my opinion it would be worse if we won. I’d rather the US be a bit poorer than win and destroy another country.
Obviously, but maybe shut the fuck up about it on the however slim chance that the US is able to walk away from it. Similar vibes to seeing the TACO memes/statements thrown about when trump, for whatever reasons, decides not to do the abhorrent thing of the day. Is the goal to make sure he always picks the bad option?
lost? we wernt even making headways from the start. lost hte moment BIBI pressured trump to attack iran. plus its one of the big things that is distraction for the news, now the war is having less effect on the news, people are focusing on the epstein files again, so hes coming up with other schemes.
It’s not over, and the Straight of Malacca is next
A lot of ships pass through the strait of Malacca, but if it closed the alternative isn’t very further away.
The strait of Malacca isn’t an exclusive choke point like the strait of Hormuz or the Dardanelles. Ships can take other routes avoiding belligerent countries in the area. Even the Suez/bab al-mandab isn’t an exclusive choke point, because you can still just go all the way around Africa, it’s just a pain in the ass.
The Straits of Denmark, Hormuz, and Dardanelles are uniquely strategic choke points because the are the only seaward access points to their respective seas, Baltic, Persian and Black, which are controllable by one country and which other countries rely on.
suez being blocked would likely have the same effect, drastically increasing cost of shipping, fuel, oil. because now you are spending more fuel, maintenance just to go around africa alone, not to mention the goods being transported.
And it’s not just the cost of shipping itself that goes up. The ships that have to take a longer route are now unavailable to carry other goods, which means there is a sudden drop in shipping capacity.
Now, if we could block the Suez AND mine the strait of Gibraltar, now that’s a spicy global economic stew!
We don’t have nuclear weapon and we’re slowing running out of oil, so very unlikely.
Wonderful news for today !
In proper American fashion.
Now hold on there… just give me a generation or two to reassert American Exceptionalism into the children… and by then we will have once again saved a savage people by the grace of our own convictions. Saviors once again, having never done anything wrong.
AmericaDONALD and BIBI have lost THEIR war with Iran.America did not vote for this, did not want it, and did not support it. In fact, America purposely voted against forever wars in 2024.
Whatever you like it or not the president of the usa represent the state. The usa and israel lost the war
Be that as it may, he’s acting in direct contradiction to the objective wishes of the state and the electorate, so pretending this is something the American people support is stupid.
Nobody claimed this war had popular support. The legal framework of international relations consider the actions of the Head of State as the actions of the country itself.
Why would you believe voting for Trump was voting against wars? It makes no sense
It makes no sense
Your opinion is incorrect. There were two good reasons to believe this:
- His record: Donald spent part of his first term disentangling us from the forever wars, particularly in Syria and Afghanistan, where his admin negotiated our withdrawal.
- He literally said ‘No More Forever Wars’ during his campaign. Those exact words. Repeatedly.
Record corresponding to rhetoric is a very good reason to believe someone will adhere to what they say.
And you believed him? You believed Trump’s word? LOL
Don’t reply if you’re not willing to actually read a person’s response. It just makes you look silly.
I did read your response. And if the rest of Americans think like you the situation is more dire than I thought.
Believing the word of a clearly demented fascist that will be in charge of the world’s biggest military, the joke writes itself. And that’s after you already had 4 years of trump.
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee - I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on… shame on you. Fool me - you can’t get fooled again.”
— George W. Bush
When you vote for somebody who lied to you their first term, you’re voting for whatever they want their second term.
Every single vote is a way to legitimize the American government and system, the American government was founded on the idea of invading other people. If Americans want to vote against wars maybe they should actually organize and go shoot their politicians instead of voting for the parties that have been nothing but warmongers and coup doers in the past century.
Start lots of wars and fail fast ethos
Losing wars to countries with 1% of their the economic capacity is an American pastime.
Thank God they have such a large military otherwise they would be under threat from the machinations of the threatening Canadian mounties.
Oh no… Anyway… Let’s get back to Epstein list.
It’s not justthe money and territory, but also the soft power. How can the US Claim Moral superiority after bombing a girlsschool?
Iran can thumb their noses and make memes while sending dudes to the gallows for tweeting.
Truly a disaster.
Maxesota
