Punks hated hippies. To punks, hippies were privileged kids that could always go home and get bailed out. Punks were treated like scum and fought for what they believed in.
I think you are right about steampunk, but cyberpunk does have an element of an anti-authoritarian counter culture (hackers going up against tech oligarchs). And solar punk evolved from there and is more explicitly political, although more utopian and I agree there is a bit of distance in the meaning.
I guess it makes sense. But I am not talking about capitalists.
I am talking about hippies, and punks. I do not know any capitalists, but I was raised by two hippies, with lots of hippie friends. And I am a punk with many punk friends.
Not sure I understand the meaning of your question. Maybe the Wikipedia can help? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_subculture
I understand that the word punk has to do with some kind of revolution or non conformism. The hippies could be categorised as punks.
It does look a la mode in the Western World, but do you really need to label yourself something in order to carve out a self-identity ?
Sometimes this is better than jabber !!
Uh, categorizing self-absorbed hippies as punks is about as wrong as it gets 😅
It’s not about the lable, its just a shortcut to explain a common cause and idea how to interact with one another.
Punks hated hippies. To punks, hippies were privileged kids that could always go home and get bailed out. Punks were treated like scum and fought for what they believed in.
Not uniformly though, my partner’s mother was a hippie who got into the commune life after she aged out of foster care.
That’s new, because where l am, l understand neither punks nor hippies. I simply know that for hippies, sex and drugs were the order of life.
Punk life was more self destructive and art aligned. Politics, drugs, sex, art, poverty, and alienation made punk, at least in the early stages.
These are features of the Western World, which l would never understand.
If l say, “Poverty is the byproduct of capitalism,” does that make any sense to you ??
In solarpunk just like steampunk and cyberpunk I don’t think the punk park hold much meaning.
It is similar to porn in unixporn or foodporn. It just signals that whatever you are talking about is alao an aesthetic.
Categorizing the hippies as a kind of punk ruined my day tho.
I think you are right about steampunk, but cyberpunk does have an element of an anti-authoritarian counter culture (hackers going up against tech oligarchs). And solar punk evolved from there and is more explicitly political, although more utopian and I agree there is a bit of distance in the meaning.
Yeah I was thinking about that, but it is not consistent across all punks so it can’t be the meaning of punk right?
Just like with the original punk there are some posers 🤷
That’s… Not how words work. Like, a silverfish is not a type of fish, bench dog is not a type of dog, etc.
Silverfish is called so because it looks like a silvery fish. Bench dog in woodworking is something that holds things.
But what is my point they are not fish and a dog(animal) so the words don’t always hold exact meaning.
I have no idea how to make this comment of yours coherent with the one of yours 2 above it…
Hippies look friendly on the outside, but are rotten and nasty at their core.
Punks look rotten and nasty on the outside, and are friendly at their core.
Are you talking about hippies or capitalists ??
I’ve never seen any hippi though.
I never said the word capitalist.
Replace the hippies with capitalists in your sentence and then read again.
Does that make sense ??
I guess it makes sense. But I am not talking about capitalists.
I am talking about hippies, and punks. I do not know any capitalists, but I was raised by two hippies, with lots of hippie friends. And I am a punk with many punk friends.