• Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    23 hours ago

    Liberals 0.5 seconds into the DNC being criticized for losing elections and not inspiring interest: “Did an AI write this? Only a robot would want the Democrats to win elections.”

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      If progressives take over the party then wouldn’t you want Democrats to win the elections at least they want a democracy. The right wing has decided if it is a choice between democracy and power they want power.

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        Democracy isn’t an end in and of itself; if you’re ever choosing between democracy and weilding power to do the things you were elected to to, that would benefit the people, you don’t have a democracy.

        This is relevant when the corporate democrats find all the red tape they need to justify not taking actions their voters want, but their donors don’t.

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      It does read like bullet points that I have gotten out of ChatGPT before.

      Thats not to say he didn’t get his thoughts down and then have AI arrange them

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    We want less people addicted to online debate and more people active within their society. What do you think Madani was doing before getting elected. He was on the streets, in the churches, anywhere where people are. Not on a big platform making big statements.

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    I can smell the LLM a mile away.

    It’s not the words, it’s the structure.

    It’s not thing A, it’s thing B.

    Thing C is nothing. Thing D is everything.

    Big list generated from the prompt “establishment democrats are bullshit and NYC mayor proves it!!!”

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      Incredible how “its not x its y” is being weaponized against critics of the establishment. Like, I really couldn’t give a shit about Hunter Biden, he’s a joke. Also fuck AI, I wouldn’t defend it.

      But what you’re describing is a teaching method. Just because it gets aped by ai doesn’t mean all comparisons are AI. Paulo Friere uses it heavily in his pedagogical method. It was also the name of a book series on teaching methods.. Both were written years, even decades, before the invention of generative text.

      Its a basic way of explaining complicated concepts, where you not only have to describe what something is, but what it isn’t. You are using a negating method by saying that the text of this tweet is actually not worth considering, because it was generated by AI. Its rhetorical sophistry, presented without evidence, to create confusion and cheapen people’s ability to explain or understand complicated concepts, and criticize our own reality.

      I dont agree with all of his points, but your argument is cheap and socially toxic.

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        The Freire comparison is interesting but it’s doing a lot of work here. Pedagogical numbered lists exist, sure. But Freire’s prose is dense, contradictory, occasionally frustrating — because he’s actually working through ideas in real time. This tweet is frictionless. Every point lands clean. Nothing trips over itself. That’s not a teaching method. That’s editing. Specifically, the kind of editing that removes every rough edge until what’s left is a series of punchy, shareable, individually quotable lines — each one exactly long enough to screenshot. You’re right that they haven’t provided a smoking gun. Neither have you. But “humans have written structured lists before” isn’t a rebuttal to a specific stylistic critique, it’s just pointing at the category and saying the category exists. The question isn’t whether a human could write this. It’s whether the particular texture of this writing — the evenness, the rhythm, the way it never once loses the thread or goes somewhere unexpected — feels like someone thinking, or someone approving.

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          Okay I agree and on second thought comparing Hunter Bided to Paulo Friere is, um, a stretch. I’m more responding to this trend where people say, oh you can tell its ai cuz there’s em-dashes, or cuz it fits the pattern of “its this not that.”

          With a political subject, people can be very bad faith. Centrist Democrats calling argument a “whataboutism” or a Russian not, are two very prescient examples. Meanwhile, I find this method of defining a subject in the positive and the negative to be very useful in political discussion, to define not just the essence but the contours/limits of a political subject. It is a good way to make a subject concrete. It makes me nervous to see these arguments more and more. People already accuse each other of being “bots” way too often.

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        This reminded me of a post I saw the other day on Bluesky.

        “As a hack writer, the fact that em-dashes and the rule of three have become signifiers of AI demonstrates that they’re not just stealing my job, they’re ruining all my favorite tools too.”

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          It’s because computers have no chill. The nature of binary is full ham or death. If you had a robot pal and you were chilling on the porch it would immediately propose a scavenger hunt and start bullet listing meditation techniques. Failing that it would put itself on standby mode.

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        Absolutely. You’re right to call me out on that. It’s not helpful, it’s socially toxic. Also, and this is where truth combines with facts to create understanding &emdash; Hunter used Claude to write that post.

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          Well in the interest of good faith, this is the most coherent thing ive ever seen from Hunter, so I think either had AI write it or some wonk wrote it for him

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        Using that pattern isn’t bad, but look at that text: it’s totally over-used and the entire post has less substance than timeghost’s mockery.

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          Tbh I can’t really detect AI text. I can detect AI pictures and voices, but text fools me, so I’ll take your word for it

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    And also: capitalism is failing the majority of people by continuing to funnel wealth to those who already have money. Voters are offered a choice between two options, neither of which actually want to solve this, because both major parties are controlled by wealthy corporate donors. The two-party system prevents any third party, no matter their platform, from having any chance at election.

    Democratic socialist candidates got elected in NY because Mamdani is demonstrably helping people in actual, tangible ways. The most famous example is fixing potholes. This is a breath of fresh air for voter and is the same “sewer socialism” strategy used in the first half of the 1900s in wisconsin, which focused on pragmatically improving life for the general public…famously by improving the sewer system.

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      Capitalism isn’t failing. It’s succeeding; doing exactly what it’s always done.

      “Liberal democracy” is failing, because it is an oxymoron. The concept of democracy being compatible with an economic system where every org is a plutocracy/oligarchy with enormous wealth (power) inequality, is a mass-delusional mental illness. It was never going to work on any meaningful timeline.

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      Recently, a (reputable) polling firm called me. It was about a survey on future prospects. One of the questions asked what I considered to be the most pressing problems people are currently facing. My answer was: billionaires, the ongoing centralization of the internet, and climate change.

      Perhaps not the most eloquent answer, since all of these issues actually stem from the same root cause—namely, run-amok cutthroat capitalism—but off the top of my head, I couldn’t think of anything better.

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      I am no Hunter apologist by any means, but this doesn’t look like an LLM wrote it to me.

      Not saying Hunter himself wrote it either; just doesn’t look like a machine.

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            Seriously. AI talks like this because this is how effective communicators talk. The fact that people are getting turned off by this way of communicating and seeking out worse writing is concerning, and yet another way that AI is contributing to the dumbing down of society.

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              I don’t think it’s great writing. To me, regardless of AI involvement, it sounds like it’s trying hard to be punchy. Big ideas, big impact! But the lack of structural variation and generic vocabulary make it bland, and bland writing doesn’t tickle one’s imagination or stick in one’s memory.

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                It’s not necessarily great writing, but this style is an effective communication mode. There’s a reason that AI uses it, and it’s because it works. 🤷‍♂️

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                Bland can have an impact. The man turned to hookers and blow instead of dusty libraries, cut him a break.

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              Yall bitch about Ai slop and you can’t even see it when it’s served in front of you by an ex drug addict. Lol and I don’t mind Hunter, but he doesn’t speak like this, the cadence is clearly AI, and the writing fucking sucks it just sounds profound to minds as deep as a puddle. Not to mention, who gives a fuck what he has to say?

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                I hate AI slop as much as the next person, but some people become so obsessed with finding and pointing out that something is AI that everything starts to look like AI. They also tend to use it to dismiss the messaging, as you are doing. In this case, we’ll never know if this is AI or not, and it really doesn’t matter, because Hunter is correct, and he’s using his platform to point out a systemic issue that needs to change.

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              My CTO and I had a fun convo at 7am about em dashes before a big client preso. We all know we all do it. Why do we care at this point? It’s just being transparent.

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                I don’t use AI at all, but I refuse to change my writing style just to avoid the appearance of AI use. After all, AI just copies human writers, and if it becomes the norm to write in a style that is distinct from typical AI output, then AI output will just change to the new style and we’ll be back at square one.

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        An LLM probably didn’t write it but it reads so painfully like the LLM dialect I cringed the entire time even though I agreed.

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          Same here. I’ve likely personally cost openAI tens of thousands of dollars as a consumer user. I’ve seen tens of thousands of responses across a wide range of LLM voices and I know it in my bones that Hunter used AI for this.

          Every single point is the same length and ends with an aphoristic zinger. It’s not X it’s Y (people know to avoid this and em dashes since it’s a lazy LLM tell.) there’s a consistent cadence to it but little substance. The cave man version of his points use less than 10 syllables. The prose is extremely even. Humans have variation in how they write especially when making impassioned bluesky posts lol.

          To demonstrate here’s my argument from above processed through clause

          I’ve spent years as a heavy AI user — we’re talking tens of thousands of interactions across models and voices. Pattern recognition at that scale becomes intuitive in the same way a sommelier stops consciously analyzing and just knows. What flags this for me isn’t any single element. It’s the consistency. Every point is approximately the same length. Every point ends with a punchy, quotable closer. The prose quality never dips or spikes — there are no throwaway lines, no moments where the writing gets lazy or overexcited. Humans don’t write that way, especially not in impassioned social media posts. Strip each point to its core claim and you’re left with less than ten syllables of actual content. The rest is rhetorical packaging. Elegant, even packaging — but packaging nonetheless. People have learned to avoid em dashes and “it’s not X, it’s Y” constructions because those are known tells. But the underlying architecture remains. The fingerprint isn’t any single phrase. It’s the absence of variation. It’s the fact that nothing here is accidental. Hunter Biden’s documented voice is the opposite of this. This tweet is what happens when you prompt a model to sound like him.

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          It’s not good writing. That’s part of it. “They aren’t a sword, they are a question mark.” That’s just bad.

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        It’s a common rhetorical device, especially for politicians. I don’t think it’s a smoking gun for LLM-ness at all.

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        The “not A but Z” thing and variations thereof was pretty common before LLMs. The noticeable thing about their usage of it is they’re trying to use language meant to take the reader from something they might genuinely be confused about to a surprising conclusion, and using it in a way that’s entirely banal. It relies on distance between A and Z, and genuine possibly of either. Humans tend to have way better intuition about what is surprising to other humans, and don’t make insane mistakes like LLMs do.

        Rather than have “Z” be self-evidently interesting, the LLM need to tell us that it’s not “A”. Except no one thought anything was “A” in the first place, and the “Z” is barely a “B” let alone a “Z”.

        This also goes for couplings of three short descriptors (“Simple. Intuitive. Seamless.”) and summations (“the important part to realise is:”), bullet point lists, etc. All techniques to say: here’s the important part, here’s the bit you should listen to.

        This all being said: the tweet smells like ai to me. Wtf does he mean by sword

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      Seriously why are we reposting anything from hunter biden. Im sure theres a number of more relevant and proper progressives with better insight and analysis of the elections .

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    7 is the one a lot of people on the left will miss is targeted at them. Cynicism is the path to defeat, pragmatism is the path to actual change, and it almost always routes through the status quo, not around it. Mamdani didn’t sit around bitching about the DNC, nor did he try to run as a third party. He met voters where where they are, and in NYC that’s the Democratic party. Now he looks like a king maker. This took him barely a year, during which time showed that the establishment’s power to enforce preferences is actually far more limited than many believe.

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    This man is CORRUPT and holds NO Valuable Opinion to the Democratic Party!

    -The Democratic Party that ELECTED His Father!

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    The Democratic Party leadership is corrupt and those individuals are more interested in maintaining their own proximity to wealth and power than “winning” or providing any material benefit or protection for their supposed constituents. They don’t lose because they’re incompetent or tone deaf, they lose because they want to.

    *or rather, they lose because it’s preferable to the left gaining power and taxing the rich, ending the private co-opting of the commons, and expanding the welfare state.

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    Just a reminder that Hunter Biden has never met his own daughter, demanded his father never meet her, and is a petty evil person. The ironic-funny part of a former junkie speaking so eloquently and being a pop-culture celebrity of sorts should not distract people from how he treated his own kid. He’s disgusting and should be reviled, and not because of the drug use or hookers.