So same story since the fucking 90s? Some ccg players are fucking stanky.
no one mentioned some of them are doing this on purpose to force the opposite player to make mistakes during a match because of the distracting smell, or make them concede because they cant stand the smell.
I have a hard time believing that. Maybe one guy did that at a tournament once, but I can’t believe it’s being done at scale
9000 IQ move: “If we all stink then no one stinks!”
Meanwhile, organizers pass out on the floor due to the odor.
Yeah this is not a legitimate strategy.
This is what happens when you add Mai Valentine to the supporting cast of the manga/anime.
Get your head out of the gutter, I meant because she used to scent mark her cards to give herself a strategic advantage.
Scent mark with perfume, Geez.
It’s a rule by Konami. You need to have basic hygiene. Nothing unusual here.
I respect their bluntness
Literally any large gathering of people for any reason is going to have you dealing with smells you don’t like. This is an unavoidable part of the human condition.
yes, but it is can be a larger than usual problem in some groups.
I know anime conventions in Minnesota struggled with that a lot in the 2000s. It took about half a decade of posters, campaigns, and a small group of people who were willing to be blunt and tell people “this sign is directed at you my dude”
It all did lead to improvements though! It is vastly better than it was back then.
Alternatively there was the MTG asscrack meme which did increase belt sales.
It’s one thing to have other smells than what you are used to, but just because you don’t smell your own body odour doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t. If you struggle to shower more than once pr week, or just sweat a lot, you need to realize and implement a shower when meeting other people rule.
I’m not saying you have to shower every day. I’m just saying if you struggle to shower for yourself, make it a rule to shower for others.
If you say fuck others, they can swim in my stink, then you can fuck off from these events or accept people making comments about it.
What’s this?
This is Madison Reyes who plays for Indiana. In 2019 she was picked up as a point guard due to her natural pointing ability and her sensitive nose. Madison has a habit of pointing out players who wear excessive perfume and she says it interferes with her ability to play.
Really?
Maybe
Masterful 🤣
I think so, “smells you don’t like” can include overpowering laundry products or aftershave/cologne/perfumes. Dear lord some people at work I actively steer clear from because otherwise I go into fifteen minute sneezing fits.
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It’s always the one you expect.
TCG games just attract people that are 150 pounds overweight and smell like cat piss.
thier own sweat and mildew, cat piss will actually burn your eyes.
Um it’s a ferret not a cat.
And them being overweight affects others’ enjoyment of the game how exactly? Showering and deodorant are basic courtesy but why exactly is the player’s body shape an issue?
Being overweight exacerbates many health issues, so you’re more likely and prone to experience things that can lead to bad odors. Sweating being just one of many. You would need to clean more often as a result. It’s also harder to clean (more surface area, harder to reach spots). So, indirectly, it matters.
Ever heard of rag on a stick? Its a meme for a reason
Hey! I use the rag on a stick to clean myself.
Being overweight itself isn’t an issue, but it does tend to cause more sweating.
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So does Rugby
Somehow I don’t imagine the two sports are comparable.
I’d love to see a crossover event though.
I don’t know what direction would be funnier, the friendly local game store tournament field getting thrown onto a rugby pitch, or the All-Blacks throwing down a Blue Eyes White Dragon (don’t @ me, this is the extent of my Yu Gi Oh knowledge) during a haka.
Why not both? Before each rugby play, each team has to nominate a player to battle a Yu Gi Oh game. The players that doing the Yu Gi Oh game have to take the field for the rugby play.
Honestly, that makes about as much sense to me as what I think the actual rules of rugby are.
…is that what goes on in the middle of a scrum?
At least the rugby boys play slap-ass in the changeroom showers after the game
What’s with TCG players and hygiene? I remember my MtG days when you couldn’t attend a single tournament without at least two of your opponent smelling like spicy corpses.
What’s with TCG players and hygiene?
It’s mostly just men hitting puberty and developing glands and pores they didn’t have before.
You’re going to find all the same smells in the locker room and the band van and the construction site. Anywhere you’ve got adolescent men congregating. Especially if there’s bad ventilation and poor AC.
I have to disagree, from first hand experience I’m mostly talking about grown adults.
With the construction site, It could just be the corpses in the concrete that are starting to smell a bit.
What about the middle aged stinkers? What’s their excuse?
Depression probably.
Drinking, smoking, and sleeping rough are the most common cases I’ve noticed.
Why can’t they be… taught? To clean themselves?
They can. But they also have to be.
Part of the cycle is new kids coming in, smelling bad, getting bullied for smelling bad, and changing their habits as a result. And then more new kids come in, and the pattern repeats. But you do need a baseline.
I’ve been in gyms that smell absolutely foul. And the folks who have normalized the odor simply don’t notice. If nobody says anything or otherwise makes an issue of it, the folks running the place don’t change the policies or put in the legwork to clean the place up.
Definitely not the leading cause of TCG-smell. But that is a complicating factor for that age group
Hey that’s not cool! Being smelly is a strategy for winning! It throws your opponent’s off! If I want to stink, I should be allowed to! /s (Joking)
There was a (fake) strategy to get people in yu-gi-oh to concede the game, using 2 cards, and covering your hand in your own actual shit.
https://duelingnexus.com/wiki/Yu-Jo_Friendship
Edit: I don’t think I have ever played Yu-Gi-Oh, I just remember hearing about the above strategy
…well I’m off to stab my own eyes out and drown myself in a pool of bleach.
Part of the meta-game strategy
A tale as old as time or at least a couple decades.
I stopped attending local MtG events many years ago because of this one cadre of assholes who not only had obnoxious personalities but also smelled like they carried old onions and dog shit in their back pockets.
…do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
probably stink on purpose so card players make mistakes and the smelly person wins.
That guy got banned for harassment.
But all he did was highlight the lack of hygiene and care that players who came to these events had.
Safe space is one thing, but I’m glad butt crack guy exists and we need more public (or private) shaming about basic hygiene.
Go to a comic and game store every saturday for tabletop or board games. Sometimes as a big guy it’s hard to find shirts that cover everything up when leaning over. I still try but man some people have no shame.
Tank-style undershirt. Tuck them and its practically guaranteed to prevent plumber’s crack or that thing where the bottom of your gut hangs out that a lot of fat dudes seem oblivious to.
I wear tank undershirts. No butt crackin’ here!
If only there were some device to keep your pants at your waist… (Although really your pants should just fit - a belt is an accessory, not a utility).
Being an odd shaped person I’m to the point in my weight loss I need just a light belt to keep them from going down a little. Though most of the reason for back and butt showing is typically shirts that don’t fit right.
Am I nuts for thinking even if you were topless your butt shouldn’t show with properly fitted pants?
Kinda, general reaching and bending yes. But if I’m reaching across a 5 foot table to for a model, ass may show. I don’t think most can prevent this with just how the human body is contorting for that. Hence at least cover it up with a shirt.
Try to find Big Tall shirts. Highly recommend them.
That’s what my lanky AF partner wears because the sleeves on standard fit shirts are never long enough. The extra length in the torso is a nice bonus.
Aye it’s what I generally look for. The problem is that there’s issues with some are loose and thus good while others fit more to form which I do not like while also leading to the riding up issue.
I think he got unbanned recently
What a thing to be remembered for lol.
Man, what is it with table top games attracting the most unhygienic among us?
i heard on other forums they purposely do this so the other players either make mistakes during the card games or they concede due to smell. its designed to game the system. aside from the “basement dwellers”, thats the other reason i read they purposely smell that way.
Especially since it’s fundamentally a social activity. Why wouldn’t you consider your presentation if the main part of your hobby is hanging out with other people?
I’ve spent a lot of time with Open Source Programmers and other nerds, including in person, and I believe at least some of the issue is that some of them feel grooming and hygiene is purely aesthetic, bordering on “shallow”. Like the way many of us think about Looksmaxxing or cosmetic surgery.
Like, you spend a bunch of time and money doing your hair or washing your clothes? That time didn’t improve your card playing, it didn’t teach you anything new. Shouldn’t people be judged by what’s inside instead of what’s outside? Shouldn’t people be judged by their skill or merit rather than their looks?
And I intentionally wrote that last one to feel borderline, because I think a lot of people do feel that way, and do believe those things, but not to the same extent. Their boundary for “hygenic enough” requires clean. And maybe the folks I’m characterizing don’t know that it’s actively unpleasant to be around someone who smells bad? Or maybe they’re so steeped in it they don’t know how bad it is?
Tangentially, this is one of the reasons some fem people struggle in these spaces. Any amount of eye-shadow, nice shirt, or hair-style is deemed as “superfluous”, and so any person who spends their time and money on such things is regarded with suspicion. They’re an idiot who wastes their time on looks at best, not to be trusted making other decisions, or a charlatan trying to trick lesser men with their wiles at worst. Those are the only two choices, because there’s no other imaginable reason someone could do these things.
Part of the reason those positions are reached is because of the bullying one receives often comes from “normies” who are the most aesthetically conscious.
If you take shit from Chad and Stacy your whole life you learn, perhaps even subconsciously, that biceps and cologne/eyeliner and perfume are signals that someone is a certain type of way; and you never want to be what they are, or bring that energy to the table.
This explains a lot. Thanks for this perspective.
Sure but also you don’t have to do all that to just not stink? Wear clean clothes, never work out, never wear make up and use unscented products.
Funny thing is that they end up dressing and styling in a similar manner while looking down on people who deviate from the unspoken dress code. By rejecting fashion they are making a conscious choice in the way they dress and are therefore participating in fashion.
An aesthetic drawn from an ethic is the most authentic aesthetic possible
Sure, but if they all end up looking similar to each other it’s still another form of fashion just not mainstream fashion. They are still signaling, consciously or subconsciously, that they are part of the in-group they want to associate with by the way they carry and dress themselves. It’s no different from what the Chads and Stacys, who they think are superficial, do.
The difference is the ethic. Or lack thereof.
Okay but how is a smelly nerd who buys Pokemon tshirts more ethical than a Stacy who buys clothing from Nordstrom they both participate in the same consooming behavior, pleasing their corporate overlords.
I’m not sure I know this use of the term ethic, but it sounds interesting. Care to define or illuminate?
Same thing with the “punk rock” look. It’s so not punk.
I’m sorry but that type of think is delusional. Like because, taking a shower or washing your clothes doesn’t make you better at cards (why would it??) you don’t need to do it, why would these things be related? They serve completely different purposes. It sounds more like justifications to not do something they don’t enjoy or don’t want to do.
It is, yeah. It’s also what they believe. It’s sort of a sour grapes situation.
For most people, this kind of behavior is socialized out of them by the time they reach adulthood. But a lot of YuGiOh players, and players of other kinds, do not leave their house. To such a person, getting ready to go out requires maybe an hour or more of prep time, mostly because they don’t know what they’re doing, for what feels like 5 minutes of play at grocery store. They would think of this as superfluous and pointless.
A point of similarity I know will ruffle a few feathers: do you make your bed every day?
No I don’t. Why should I? My bed sheets being made or messy doesnt impact anyone else and it barely impacts me. It’s just not a valid comparison to having simple bodily hygiene when going outside.
Hold your horses, there’s no need to get defensive.
I didn’t bring that up to suggest people should—I don’t—I’m just provoking a bit of thought.
You don’t see any similarities at all between making sure you’re shaved, showered, well-dressed, maybe perfumed a bit, before going outside; and making sure your bed is clean, well-kept, and presentable?
You probably don’t invite friends into your bedroom.
So let’s ask a similar question: do you clean your living room before inviting guests over? What is the purpose of that? There’s a good chance you care about it being clean more than they do, so why bother?
That wasn’t in a defensive tone lol. Sorry about not writing clearly enough.
I don’t really see many similarities between making sure I’m clean before going outside and keeping my bed made. Keeping my bed clean? Sure. But spesifically keeping the bedsheets made? Not really. (Messy bedsheets doesnt make a bed “dirty”)
I would clean my living room before inviting guests, yes, however I still dont think thats much of a comparison to bedsheets specifically. The purpose of cleaning the living room before having guests is so that I have a nice space for my guests. There’s a social incentive. I ain’t presenting my bed to anyone often, so there isn’t really a social incentive for me to make the sheets.
I guess it comes down to what makes an individual feel orderly and clean. We clean our bodies to be presentable, but also to feel clean (and be healthy). The former reason isn’t very applicable to making the bedsheets most of the time, but the latter can be.
Edit: I just realised the absurdity of my end conclusion somehow being “I guess ppl have preferences huh”
Your whole premise relies on them failing basic biology class (or somehow skipping out on the microbiology part?) because hygiene is also just about basic health.
So either they’re all very stupid when it comes to basic health, or there’s multiple issues or some other major one.
There’s a lot of space between “that dude smells bad” and “that dude is hurting his health by not showering”.
Idk, fungi thrive in said environments.
So? Doesn’t mean they’re (a) bad for your health or (b) able to outcompete everything else to the point of becoming problematic.
Jock itch and co are bad for your health, just not severely
But they’re not people–they are other players. What they look or smell like is absolutely irrelevant next to more IMPORTANT details… like if you’re playing a speedoid deck against an archerine, are you really going to have the mental bandwidth to be thinking about stuff like hygiene?
All you’re doing here is demonstrating that you are not a serious person, probably someone whose never had a cyber dragon summoned against them, someone who has really never known true risk.
You take your showers. Blow dry your hair. Apply your deoderant. Then see how you fare against this deck.
/s
showeroids win by default because the Serious Stinkers got disqualified for being biohazards
biohazards:
Spoken like a fucking soaplord, get off my table peasant
But they’re not people–they are other players
Ugh, this seems to be the prevailing mentality for driving too. Not other people, just other cars
Always has been. One of the main reasons I hate driving. Nobody would dare act the way drivers drive without the car anaonymizing them and everyone else.
So, in my experience, it’s less unhygienic, and more a problem with not covering up their natural smells. Sounds similar, different things. I’ll explain me experience with TTRPGers.
All the ones I know who fall into the funk trap are autistic folk, and the issue isn’t that they don’t bathe, it’s that they can’t stand those strong chemical smells they associate with body washes and deodorant*. So they bathe, but they use mild soaps, soaps designed for children, or unscented soaps, and they don’t wear deodorant.
Which creates a situation where the hygiene is okay, but the funk is still there, once they’re all in a group together. One on one, you really don’t notice, but get 10 folks in a room for game night, or a couple thousand together for an event or convention, and the funk becomes overpowering.
That said, I do know two that have just a general aversion to bathing, and consistently reek
*Edit to add
Also an issue with texture on the skin. One of my best friends is autistic, and he cannot handle the feeling of deodorant on his armpits. It tacks the hair down, it’s apparently sticky feeling, and he just goes into total meltdown until he can get it off. He can’t focus on anything else.
I’ll explain me experience…
The rest of your comment was read in a pirate voice in my head.
o, in me experience, it’s less unhygienic, an’ more a problem with not coverin’ to the sky their natural smells. Sounds similar, different things. I’ll explain me experience with ttrpgers.
all the ones I know who fall into the funk trap be autistic folk, an’ the issue isn’t that there they don’t bathe, it’s that there they can’t stand them strong chemical smells they associate with body washes an’ deodorant*. So they bathe, but they use mild soaps, soaps designed fer children, or unscented soaps, an’ they don’t wearrr deodorant.
which creates a situation where the ‘ygiene be okay, but the funk be still there, once they’re all in a crew together. One on one, ye really don’t notice, but get 10 folks in a room fer game night, or a couple thousand together fer an event or convention, an’ the funk becomes overpowerin’.
that there said, I do know two that there ‘ave just a general aversion to bathing, an’ consistently reek
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also an issue with texture on the skin. One o’ me best mates be autistic, an’ ‘e cannot ‘andle the feelin’ o’ deodorant on 'is armpits. It tacks the ‘air down, it’s apparently sticky feeling, an’ 'e just goes into total meltdown until 'e can get it off. ‘e can’t focus on anythin’ else.
That was the intent.
I appreciate the perspective but would like to point out that encouraging strong masking scents is not going to help the situation. There are plenty of workplaces with “no strong scent” policies that manage to have conference meetings without triggering gag reflexes or migraines.
I’m autistic and I find showers overwhelming because they’re loud and they are touching you all over, it’s definitely a real thing but between unscented options, wipes and product choices like, spray deodorant for example, it’s still very possible to be hygienic and not “smell natural” if a person has symptoms so bad they literally cannot tolerate cleaning themselves it should be treated like any other symptom that they’d need to stay away from people for and they should abstain from attending.
I don’t know if it’s the soap thing so much, it more comes down to people in significant gathers have a smell to them that being in a small room or convention space amplifies. Showering and soap use is important but I think scrubbing is just as important. As well regularly clean clothes and just a little care for one’s body.
Yeah I don’t like any floral scented perfumed anything. Aldi sells plain old soap, plain old shampoo, and plain old conditioner. And that’s what I like. Good old fatty acid salts.
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They tend to attract autistic people, who can have trouble with bathing for various reasons.
I understand why people with autism can have difficulty bathing but do TCGs attract more neurodivergents? I played YuGiOh and now actively play MTG. I don’t think I’ve noticed myself?
If you have actively played several TCGs and you haven’t noticed they attract neurodivergent people, you are likely neurodivergent yourself.
Hmm. I am not neurodivergent but also am unsure if they attract more neurodivergent hobbyists than neurotypical hobbyists? Or TCGs attract neurodivergents more than any other hobbies? Could be location too? Idk I have so many questions and an internet search isnt coming up.
At my local CA a majority of people seem neurotypical to me, a few are socially awkward yes, and maybe of an average of 42 people on a commander night maybe 2-3 I know for sure neurodivergent. There’s a difference between socially awkward though and neurodivergent… Anyways, happy to share the hobby with anyone but would like everyone to be clean or hygienic if possible!! Sucks a few people perpetuate this stereotype :/
Could be age group? Are you under 30? The hobby has opened up dramatically in the last generation. Before that, neurodivergents were well over the baseline for the population.
Closer to 40 now! I think society has opened up to a lot of hobbies over the years. Used to be a closeted nerd myself as a female in video games but its nice that hobbies and fandom’s are more acceptable now than before.
I can see that! MTG is an older game… And used to be more for niche populations. Same as anime I suppose. I was wondering if its due to geographical location as well.
I feel you on the pain of gaming while girl. The cultures still need work, I still don’t open voice comms often, but damn has it come a long way. I’m sure geographical location has something to do with the population differences. A bigger city or more progressive area is a full two generations or more ahead of everywhere else in the country.
Super Smash Bros also seems to have the same problem.
As a bigger guy, I started to get that “fat person” smell even after showering. I realized that the smell was coming from not being able to get all the soap off using just a regular showerhead. I got a handheld shower and haven’t had that issue since then. So, that could be part of the problem.
Does the residual soap get a bad smell or something?
What kind of soap are you using? Irish Spring 56-in-one?
Lol
