Because Americans are cowards. Not saying this to mock them but they have grown incredibly lazy over the decades, they are not ready to lose any comfort so they mostly keep quiet.
Pair that with a surveillance state that they have been specifically and repeatedly warned about over last 2 decades - they are fucked.
I wonder how are “I have nothing to hide” and “They are not going to spy on me” geniuses rationalizing it now.
I used to be mocked and laughed at when I tried warning people about what awaits them in the future (never mind that it is also my area of expertise and those people knew it). I don’t give a fuck anymore and they are screaming and posting angry messages on social media expecting someone else will fight for them.
I suppose that’s the end result of brain washing your population with super hero movies.
The system is set up to keep us busy and living hand to mouth.
Not to mention Fox News and the right wing media exists entirely to lie straight to our faces and fill our brains with culture wars so the average person has no idea which way is up.
Right. I actually completely ignored the fact you guys are literally forced to just think about survival (day to day survival, I suppose for lots of people), you don’t get to plan a revolution 😕
Yeah, it is incredible what has happened. I hope you all find strength.
A lot of people I see on here lambasting Americans for not acting really don’t seem to grasp how hard it is to think about solving systemic problems when your every waking moment is consumed by worrying whether you’ll be able to feed your family today or keep a roof over their head tomorrow. Much of the US lives one or two missed paychecks from destitution. The fact that the standard of living generally is higher than in many countries doesn’t mean your kids are eating dinner tonight, and it certainly doesn’t mean you have leisure time to think about complex ideas like systems of government or equitable tax policy, let alone educate yourself about them. We have few safety nets, our culture actively maligns those who use them, and those in power are actively trying to eliminate them.
A revolution under these conditions will only happen when sufficient masses have lost all access to basic needs.
I get that a lot of people need two jobs, that there is no safety net, that education is expensive, etc.
But let’s not forget that, even though the middle class has been shrinking in the last decades, there is still a significant part of the US population is doing “ok”, people for whom feeding the kids tonight or keeping their house is not always on their mind.
A lot of Republicans elected Trump on the promise that he would release the files. He didn’t, nothing happened, and now he’s openly defying a judgement.
Maybe you’ve never been poor. Being poor is a lot of extra work, just to stay fed, keep your body and your clothes clean, stay healthy and get to and from work assuming you have a job. For some people, homelessness and then starvation are not all that far away. You want them to do what, spend a few hours holding a sign at a protest, maybe get arrested and lose their job? With time stolen from their sleep while they work 2 jobs? I mean come on.
do you think “holding a sign at a protest” is “taking action?” That’s called “basic participation in democracy.”
People like you are part of the problem.
Am I? I am an old rich white guy who remembers saving up over multiple paychecks to buy a pair of pants to go to an interview for a real job, and had to take a 2 hour busride each way to that job until I could afford a car payment a year later. I still held petitions on street corners in Seattle for medical marijuana, upping the minimum wage, and stopping killing of Palestinians. This was ~ 1995. And look at the results. If we weigh 60 years of results against the effort that went into them, its not working well enough and never has. We need to evolve, and yelling at impoverished young adults that they are at fault is not a coherent answer, if you’d just understand the data we already have.
I am. With a social work resume pages long. And you’re just running your mouth about things you dont understand and have no experience in. Cool, cool back at you.
There’s a step function — at some point you’re just trying to survive within the system.
But there comes a point where you literally can’t even survive within the system — and yes that’s a dangerous line to cross. We haven’t crossed that line yet.
I think something a lot of people miss is the actual scale of the US as a country. My state is pure blue. My local government is mostly tolerable although not as far left as I’d prefer. Rioting here accomplishes nothing because democrats aren’t in control of the government so we’re just trapped along for the ride.
For me to join a protest with a meaningful impact I would need to travel to Washington D.C… For a west-coast American to actually protest at the capitol of America it would be a similar travel scale to an Irishman traveling to Moscow to protest the EU. That trip alone would cost me ~450 euros before fees and before the cost of any food/shelter. It would require that I leave my job if I stayed for more than a week and because I have no job I can’t pay rent so I must surrender my belongings and uproot my family.
This just isn’t achievable for the average person without your life already having entirely collapsed in the first place. The most any of us out here can realistically do is try to throw money and other forms of support at the problem and hope other states can get their shit together.
Yeah, fuck off mate with your virtue signaling. You have no idea how many fucking revolutions and civil wars I went through, which is why I know a thing or two about how this shit works.
What is new for you is something other people have been through, some even few times before. Seems like people don’t understand that this is always done pretty much the same way. And they never listen, either.
Kiddo, I was trying to let you know that I don’t give a fuck about you or what you think. I have been through this countless times and over the decades (you see, I am giving you a hint that I am an old fart) I’ve learned that’s it’s better to just ignore dummies. You are right, I have not been through anything, I am just pretend posting because I have a strong need for validation from random fools or bots on what once was an Internet.
Unfortunately the “comforts” are basic life things like medications to live and being able to live in your home.
We aren’t talking about having Netflix. You protest, you miss work, you are fired, you lose your income, no safety net, no healthcare, loans and debts take your home car (very little public transport that works in much of the country) and life away, and you and your entire family are homeless on a street corner and possibly dying. Inside of 2 weeks for a majority of Americans. Even insulin is hard to acquire without “the system”.
WE should be endorsing them. This pretending that violence isn’t the answer to violence, is the problem. We keep giving our abusers a pass, because we don’t want to be “violent”. We keep pretending “two wrongs don’t make a right” but that’s been bullshit since it first came out of someone’s mouth while any form of justice system exists, as violence is needed to apprehend criminals, which literally takes a series of wrongs(Kidnapping, imprisonment, seizure of assets(AKA theft)) to make things right.
Trump needs to be assassinated, as does his minions. We need to stop pretending there are other solutions besides “violence”.
Beware though. The usa is trying really hard to export their dystopia to other countries. If you are in an english speaking country and you use google or amazon or apple you are already in their trap.
Shamelessness is a tactic I think they adopted in order to prevent scandals from causing irreparable damage. If they stay resolutely shameless, they develop the ability to outmaneuver scandal by inoculating everyone against it. Everyone expects there to be zero consequences, and so eventually there aren’t any. A slow steady trickle of scandals might even be beneficial to this end. It numbs people. Major scandals get rolled into the machinery of diminished expectations, and here you have a fizzled story of this size. Americans are hypnotized by this scandal machine. It’s just a hypothesis of mine.
In the 1930s the US government bombed a US city and killed thousands of American civilians for the crime of being wealthy while black.
In the 1890s the US government bombed and launched an all-out military offensive against American civilians for the crime of wanting to be paid for doing deadly mining work.
In the 1950s the US government launched the largest and most wide spread secret police operation in world history resulting in hundreds of thousands of arrests, tens of thousands of convictions, and at least a three figure death count of American civilians for the crime of wanting the same rights as CEOs.
American history is not a story of revolution, it is a story of wimpy capitulation to their owners.
Even if you want to stay informed, you only have a couple hours between working all day, commuting back and forth, helping the kids with homework, and household chores. They have maybe an hour or two of available time to fit in any sort of news and relaxation.
Because even when corporate owned media does cover it, they bury the stories so you need to actively look for them instead of it being front page or headline news. Even local station media is increasingly owned by corporate interests that just don’t show things or push small local fluff pieces instead.
The 24 hour news cycle desensitizes people to basically everything. And the current political climate is designed around a constant influx of misinformation and disinformation that takes much more time to fight than it does to spread. And modern propaganda is extremely effective, across the board. Especially across social media, designed to create echo chambers and feed you more of the same constantly.
On top of that, your literal life depends on the machine. With no national healthcare, you need to keep your job to have the basic, astronomically priced insurance, and even if you have it, should anything go wrong, you could lose everything just staying alive. Not many people can afford the risk of fighting back. It’s toe the line or die.
Struggle to stay informed. Struggle to keep your job. Struggle not to get sick or hurt. Struggle to keep your privacy. Struggle to get any other isolated, self-centred Americans to organise with you in any significant numbers to fight against the people with all the power, all the money, and a massive military they made a point of using against their own people to prove they would…
It’s not impossible. But we will say it’s slightly daunting. For all their “freedom”, most Americans can’t even afford the time away from work to vote.
That said, this administration has slammed the gas pedal and more and more people are starting to run out of what little they had. As their security erodes, they have less to lose. More and more are fighting back, and the Trump admin has proven they are not very good at pretty much anything. Rescuing the US won’t be easy, but it will be possible. They just have to future proof the place against the next Project 2025.
Notice how no one has any smart comments to respond to you with?
Thats because it’s really fucking easy to criticize an entire country when you’re not in it.
The American people were born here by chance, live paycheck to paycheck, and are separated from the people that make these decisions by thousands of miles and thousands of armed men with guns.
What are we supposed to do exactly, specifically, as individuals… huh?
We’re all fucking ears.
If it’s so fucking simple, tell us how to fix it (not you Prole, them).
They stage protests and advocate for better leaders.
No one is moved by them in a meaningful way. Those who agree still agree and those who don’t, don’t ever hear about them, and if they do; they don’t listen or care.
10 - 16% of my country thinks the earth is flat, and 8% thinks Barrack Obama is worse than Jeffrey Epstein.
We just have tens of millions of insane idiots. How do you help tens of millions of people with shared language and culture, and access to social media and smartphones — NOT to be insane idiots?
What’s an organization going to say or do to influence someone who is so brainwashed and committed to their tribe?
Criticism of America as usually pretty spot on, but a lot of recent criticism online has devolved to insulting every American individual and has plenty of schadenfreude vibes. It is especially galling since it is easy to imagine that this criticism comes from people or places that would be doing the same thing (or lack thereof) to fight this sort of cryptofascism in their own countries as well. How many of those complaining about the direction America is headed and how little the people are doing to stop it, would be totally disinterested if we were talking about Poland or Finland or Italy? Ultimately, I believe what we are seeing, in many cases, is really just an objection to how much their own country’s economics and military are tied to the whims or fortunes of the U.S.
Defending pedos with whataboutism. Shouldn’t you be watching fox news?
Nobody said it was in the top 10 worst atrocities. They clearly stated that it would have ended any other administration, which I think is true, at least in part because most other administrations had at least a few members with morals. Do you think it isn’t?
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Because Americans are cowards. Not saying this to mock them but they have grown incredibly lazy over the decades, they are not ready to lose any comfort so they mostly keep quiet.
Pair that with a surveillance state that they have been specifically and repeatedly warned about over last 2 decades - they are fucked.
I wonder how are “I have nothing to hide” and “They are not going to spy on me” geniuses rationalizing it now.
I used to be mocked and laughed at when I tried warning people about what awaits them in the future (never mind that it is also my area of expertise and those people knew it). I don’t give a fuck anymore and they are screaming and posting angry messages on social media expecting someone else will fight for them.
I suppose that’s the end result of brain washing your population with super hero movies.
But noone is coming to save them.
The system is set up to keep us busy and living hand to mouth.
Not to mention Fox News and the right wing media exists entirely to lie straight to our faces and fill our brains with culture wars so the average person has no idea which way is up.
Right. I actually completely ignored the fact you guys are literally forced to just think about survival (day to day survival, I suppose for lots of people), you don’t get to plan a revolution 😕
Yeah, it is incredible what has happened. I hope you all find strength.
A lot of people I see on here lambasting Americans for not acting really don’t seem to grasp how hard it is to think about solving systemic problems when your every waking moment is consumed by worrying whether you’ll be able to feed your family today or keep a roof over their head tomorrow. Much of the US lives one or two missed paychecks from destitution. The fact that the standard of living generally is higher than in many countries doesn’t mean your kids are eating dinner tonight, and it certainly doesn’t mean you have leisure time to think about complex ideas like systems of government or equitable tax policy, let alone educate yourself about them. We have few safety nets, our culture actively maligns those who use them, and those in power are actively trying to eliminate them.
A revolution under these conditions will only happen when sufficient masses have lost all access to basic needs.
I wouldn’t rule out owners being fine with the military mowing down US civilians with machine guns
It wouldn’t be the first time.
I get that a lot of people need two jobs, that there is no safety net, that education is expensive, etc.
But let’s not forget that, even though the middle class has been shrinking in the last decades, there is still a significant part of the US population is doing “ok”, people for whom feeding the kids tonight or keeping their house is not always on their mind.
A lot of Republicans elected Trump on the promise that he would release the files. He didn’t, nothing happened, and now he’s openly defying a judgement.
Apathy is a real problem.
People living hand to mouth have even FEWER excuses for not taking action
Maybe you’ve never been poor. Being poor is a lot of extra work, just to stay fed, keep your body and your clothes clean, stay healthy and get to and from work assuming you have a job. For some people, homelessness and then starvation are not all that far away. You want them to do what, spend a few hours holding a sign at a protest, maybe get arrested and lose their job? With time stolen from their sleep while they work 2 jobs? I mean come on.
Wait, do you think “holding a sign at a protest” is “taking action?” That’s called “basic participation in democracy.”
Jesus Christ. Somehow I continue to be surprised every day by how fucked your country actually is. People like you are part of the problem.
Am I? I am an old rich white guy who remembers saving up over multiple paychecks to buy a pair of pants to go to an interview for a real job, and had to take a 2 hour busride each way to that job until I could afford a car payment a year later. I still held petitions on street corners in Seattle for medical marijuana, upping the minimum wage, and stopping killing of Palestinians. This was ~ 1995. And look at the results. If we weigh 60 years of results against the effort that went into them, its not working well enough and never has. We need to evolve, and yelling at impoverished young adults that they are at fault is not a coherent answer, if you’d just understand the data we already have.
You’re an old rich white liberal wondering if you’re part of the problem? Cool, cool.
I am. With a social work resume pages long. And you’re just running your mouth about things you dont understand and have no experience in. Cool, cool back at you.
There’s a step function — at some point you’re just trying to survive within the system.
But there comes a point where you literally can’t even survive within the system — and yes that’s a dangerous line to cross. We haven’t crossed that line yet.
I think something a lot of people miss is the actual scale of the US as a country. My state is pure blue. My local government is mostly tolerable although not as far left as I’d prefer. Rioting here accomplishes nothing because democrats aren’t in control of the government so we’re just trapped along for the ride.
For me to join a protest with a meaningful impact I would need to travel to Washington D.C… For a west-coast American to actually protest at the capitol of America it would be a similar travel scale to an Irishman traveling to Moscow to protest the EU. That trip alone would cost me ~450 euros before fees and before the cost of any food/shelter. It would require that I leave my job if I stayed for more than a week and because I have no job I can’t pay rent so I must surrender my belongings and uproot my family.
This just isn’t achievable for the average person without your life already having entirely collapsed in the first place. The most any of us out here can realistically do is try to throw money and other forms of support at the problem and hope other states can get their shit together.
Was Renee a coward?
How about Alex?
Sit down and stop making a fool of yourself. You don’t know anything about what’s going on, and you shouldn’t be generalizing.
Yeah, fuck off mate with your virtue signaling. You have no idea how many fucking revolutions and civil wars I went through, which is why I know a thing or two about how this shit works.
What is new for you is something other people have been through, some even few times before. Seems like people don’t understand that this is always done pretty much the same way. And they never listen, either.
But hey, keep posting, that will help 👍
Or just fuck off. I don’t care either way.
I know how many fucking revolutions and civil wars you’ve been through, zero.
Oh no! You’ll tell me to fuck off. Whatever will I do? So powerful. I’m scared!
Kiddo, I was trying to let you know that I don’t give a fuck about you or what you think. I have been through this countless times and over the decades (you see, I am giving you a hint that I am an old fart) I’ve learned that’s it’s better to just ignore dummies. You are right, I have not been through anything, I am just pretend posting because I have a strong need for validation from random fools or bots on what once was an Internet.
Never stop posting 👍
Comfortable enough to not be a hair’s-breadth near death every day of your life, apparently. Try America brah. It is wild.
Don’t flout your success at being old. We don’t have that luxury.
You don’t give a fuck about Americans? Never would have guessed…
American here.
What should I be brave enough to do individually, specifically (I live paycheck to paycheck).
Unfortunately the “comforts” are basic life things like medications to live and being able to live in your home.
We aren’t talking about having Netflix. You protest, you miss work, you are fired, you lose your income, no safety net, no healthcare, loans and debts take your home car (very little public transport that works in much of the country) and life away, and you and your entire family are homeless on a street corner and possibly dying. Inside of 2 weeks for a majority of Americans. Even insulin is hard to acquire without “the system”.
Every time someone calls USA cowards, they leave out their own country for some reason.
Because they’re so brave! So very, very brave, that they can’t even have their own nation criticized. Truly heroic!
How many assassination atte.pts have been made? Lol
Not endorsing them but seriously.
WE should be endorsing them. This pretending that violence isn’t the answer to violence, is the problem. We keep giving our abusers a pass, because we don’t want to be “violent”. We keep pretending “two wrongs don’t make a right” but that’s been bullshit since it first came out of someone’s mouth while any form of justice system exists, as violence is needed to apprehend criminals, which literally takes a series of wrongs(Kidnapping, imprisonment, seizure of assets(AKA theft)) to make things right.
Trump needs to be assassinated, as does his minions. We need to stop pretending there are other solutions besides “violence”.
Beware though. The usa is trying really hard to export their dystopia to other countries. If you are in an english speaking country and you use google or amazon or apple you are already in their trap.
Shamelessness is a tactic I think they adopted in order to prevent scandals from causing irreparable damage. If they stay resolutely shameless, they develop the ability to outmaneuver scandal by inoculating everyone against it. Everyone expects there to be zero consequences, and so eventually there aren’t any. A slow steady trickle of scandals might even be beneficial to this end. It numbs people. Major scandals get rolled into the machinery of diminished expectations, and here you have a fizzled story of this size. Americans are hypnotized by this scandal machine. It’s just a hypothesis of mine.
In the 1930s the US government bombed a US city and killed thousands of American civilians for the crime of being wealthy while black.
In the 1890s the US government bombed and launched an all-out military offensive against American civilians for the crime of wanting to be paid for doing deadly mining work.
In the 1950s the US government launched the largest and most wide spread secret police operation in world history resulting in hundreds of thousands of arrests, tens of thousands of convictions, and at least a three figure death count of American civilians for the crime of wanting the same rights as CEOs.
American history is not a story of revolution, it is a story of wimpy capitulation to their owners.
In the 1980s the government bombed Philadelphia, specifically the MOVE movement for the crime of being politically motivated while black.
I heard they were also found giving breakfast to hungry kids…
Very likely since, IIRC, they had both black and white panthers in their mix.
Even if you want to stay informed, you only have a couple hours between working all day, commuting back and forth, helping the kids with homework, and household chores. They have maybe an hour or two of available time to fit in any sort of news and relaxation.
Because even when corporate owned media does cover it, they bury the stories so you need to actively look for them instead of it being front page or headline news. Even local station media is increasingly owned by corporate interests that just don’t show things or push small local fluff pieces instead.
The 24 hour news cycle desensitizes people to basically everything. And the current political climate is designed around a constant influx of misinformation and disinformation that takes much more time to fight than it does to spread. And modern propaganda is extremely effective, across the board. Especially across social media, designed to create echo chambers and feed you more of the same constantly.
On top of that, your literal life depends on the machine. With no national healthcare, you need to keep your job to have the basic, astronomically priced insurance, and even if you have it, should anything go wrong, you could lose everything just staying alive. Not many people can afford the risk of fighting back. It’s toe the line or die.
Struggle to stay informed. Struggle to keep your job. Struggle not to get sick or hurt. Struggle to keep your privacy. Struggle to get any other isolated, self-centred Americans to organise with you in any significant numbers to fight against the people with all the power, all the money, and a massive military they made a point of using against their own people to prove they would…
It’s not impossible. But we will say it’s slightly daunting. For all their “freedom”, most Americans can’t even afford the time away from work to vote.
That said, this administration has slammed the gas pedal and more and more people are starting to run out of what little they had. As their security erodes, they have less to lose. More and more are fighting back, and the Trump admin has proven they are not very good at pretty much anything. Rescuing the US won’t be easy, but it will be possible. They just have to future proof the place against the next Project 2025.
Because 40% of our country is in a literal death cult
Notice how no one has any smart comments to respond to you with?
Thats because it’s really fucking easy to criticize an entire country when you’re not in it.
The American people were born here by chance, live paycheck to paycheck, and are separated from the people that make these decisions by thousands of miles and thousands of armed men with guns.
What are we supposed to do exactly, specifically, as individuals… huh?
We’re all fucking ears.
If it’s so fucking simple, tell us how to fix it (not you Prole, them).
You’re not meant to do anything as individuals. You’re meant to do something as a population.
Nobody says it is easy. It not, but the first step is to form organisations.
We have organizations.
They stage protests and advocate for better leaders.
No one is moved by them in a meaningful way. Those who agree still agree and those who don’t, don’t ever hear about them, and if they do; they don’t listen or care.
10 - 16% of my country thinks the earth is flat, and 8% thinks Barrack Obama is worse than Jeffrey Epstein.
We just have tens of millions of insane idiots. How do you help tens of millions of people with shared language and culture, and access to social media and smartphones — NOT to be insane idiots?
What’s an organization going to say or do to influence someone who is so brainwashed and committed to their tribe?
Ask Nepal. They clearly are better then you guys at this.
So much information so helpful thank you very much
Well the process is well documented, But if you need a starting place police stations are a fair choice.
Criticism of America as usually pretty spot on, but a lot of recent criticism online has devolved to insulting every American individual and has plenty of schadenfreude vibes. It is especially galling since it is easy to imagine that this criticism comes from people or places that would be doing the same thing (or lack thereof) to fight this sort of cryptofascism in their own countries as well. How many of those complaining about the direction America is headed and how little the people are doing to stop it, would be totally disinterested if we were talking about Poland or Finland or Italy? Ultimately, I believe what we are seeing, in many cases, is really just an objection to how much their own country’s economics and military are tied to the whims or fortunes of the U.S.
I’m 40 yrs old and I’ve never been okay with America. This country has traumatized me my whole life
Have you seen the bread and circuses these days?
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We aren’t.
2/3rds of you are
This isn’t even in the top 10 atrocities of the USA, what makes you think that?
Tell me your country, and I’m pretty sure they’ve done much worse, also. Surprise me!
Defending pedos with whataboutism. Shouldn’t you be watching fox news?
Nobody said it was in the top 10 worst atrocities. They clearly stated that it would have ended any other administration, which I think is true, at least in part because most other administrations had at least a few members with morals. Do you think it isn’t?
Bruh