• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Easily wheels. Every roller bearing in things like drawer slides, sliding closet doors, sliding shower doors, sliding screen or glass doors, etc. are technically a kind of wheel. A single door could have multiple wheels. Garage door segments with multiple wheels as rollers pre segment. Cars, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, motorbikes all have multiple wheels. Wheels aren’t just for locomotion. 18 wheel trucks have only two doors but obviously 18 wheels, not including any hand-trolleys it might have in the back for loading/unloading. Trains have multiple bogies usually with 4 wheels each and two to a car, 8 wheels per car and maybe two to four doors.

    But wait, what about an office building full of hundreds of doors? Think of every office chair with multiple wheels. Desk drawers. Office carts. Elevator pulleys, doors, and guides.

    Wheels win.

    Way more wheels than doors.

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      Appliances have doors. Some.even have multiple, like fridges, dishwashers and tumble driers.

      But yeah, I’m still on team wheel

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      I see your wheel argument but want to add cabinet/closet doors to muddy the waters. My non-representative bathroom has 6 doors and no wheels. Then there are developing countries that often don’t have wheels on their drawers and doors and rely on hinges more.

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        But they can have cars, motorcycles, mopeds, bicycles, hand carts, carts pulled by animals, and more. Does a doorway need to have a door on it to be a door? I kinda figured it sorta does, and probably in developing countries they might have curtain covers for cabinet doors rather than solid hinged ones. Not sure though.

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          It really depends on the country I’ve been to latin America and most people there have doors on their cabinets from what I’ve seen. Wood and labor there come pretty cheap. We’d need to get a good idea of an average house in India and China to make an educated guess.

          One thing I’m pretty sure about is that there are more wheels being created now than doors.

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    There are EXACTLY an equal amount of doors and wheels in the world and they are being produced at the same rate.

    Source: I just checked

    Edit: Just checked, they are also destroyed at the same rate.

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    Ok I think this actually has way too much speculation and is asking the wrong question. Instead of “in your opinion globally are there more x or y”, why not quantify it? Specifically in your instance, does your living quarters and personal belongings and other places you frequent have more doors or wheels? Go count them. We can actually solve this with enough data.

    For me it’s doors by a long shot. Almost nothing in my life has wheels. I live frugally and cheap furniture usually doesn’t have wheels. I don’t own Lego as other comments suggest. Drawers are not doors. Gears are not wheels. Eyes (wtf) and widows are not doors. The breakdown in my life is:

    42 doors 15 wheels

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      Does your office chair have wheels? Lawnmower? Skates or bicycles? I bet you have more wheels than you think. They’re insidious.

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      In my life it’s wheels by a long shot. 36 doors. 120 wheels. And that’s counting anything remotely like a door - stuff that’s sus. But all the wheels are 1000% clearly wheels. There are wheels everywhere.

      Edit: and I’m NOT counting the little wheels in all my drawers, or any of the many wheels I encounter and use like shopping carts. It’s SO totally wheels. :)

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          • Car wheels
          • Spare tire wheels
          • Bicycle wheels
          • Suitcase wheels
          • Lawnmower wheels
          • Tool wheels (like a dolly)
          • Wheels on coolers
          • Wheels on furniture/tool chests/tables
          • Wheels on rollerblades and skates
          • Rando equipment with wheels (like my little air compressor or power washer or my weed whacker edger attachment)
          • Wheels on toys from my childhood on a shelf (transformers, legos, evil kenieval motorcycle toy)
          • Wheels on the trays in the dishwasher
          • (I didn’t even count all the little wheels on each kitchen drawer - but those are there too!)
          • wheels on the vacuum and pet cleaner carpet thingy
          • couple of big plants sit on a roll-y tray with wheels
          • desk chairs with wheels there are wheels everywhere!
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      I’ll push back on the gears are not wheels statement. They serve the exact same function as wheels (as in they spin to allow something else to move or spin relative to them), just with teeth to add friction and make the ratios less dependent in the specific diameters and/or flaws in curvature (give them a large thing to grab onto to prevent small variations from having an impact).

      Though I’ll grant that hinges aren’t wheels (while they do have an axle and involve spinning, the hinged object itself is more like the wheel than the hinge.

      Also drawers, if they have tracks, have 2 or 4 wheels each.

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        There are hinges that use wheels, though, but I would agree that a standard door hinge is not a wheel.

        But is a motor a wheel? Maybe not a servo motor since it can’t completely rotate but a stepper or most other motors can freely rotate as much as they wish.

        Pulleys are considered wheels - your vehicle is loaded with those.

        Ball bearings… Just counting those alone would put wheels above doors in my house.

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        My own definition for this question is, a wheel is called a wheel. You don’t call gears wheels, they’re a mechanism. If we get too clever with definitions, I have 700 small wheels in my medicine cabinet that facilitate my daily movement

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      a door handle has a latch assembly which is arguably a wheel, as is the turning cylinder, if it has a lock it could have a bunch more “wheels” too, and the "rose’ (the round part that covers the hole the cylinder passes through to connect the two handles) could also be a “wheel” depending on your definition.

      One could count a hinge as a wheel as well.

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        Not every cylinder is a wheel. Not every handle is connected to a door, and not every door has a handle. Sliding doors are doors, but not drawers. Cabinet doors are doors but not windows. A hinge is not a wheel. Plumbing isn’t a wheel. Your capillaries and glands are not wheels.

        Your definition is wheely bad

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            For the purposes of this question, I think the best definition is simply: a wheel is called a wheel, and a door is called a door. The definition is in the name. That basically eliminates most nonsense haha

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      Doing this now, will report back.

      Edit:

      95 doors, 105 wheels. I didn’t count any wheels I couldn’t see (inside dryer, etc)

      Uh oh, forgot the doors on the cars:

      Even: 105 doors, 105 wheels.

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    Every time I’ve seen this come up, it turns into a kind of coastline problem. The closer you look at everything we’ve built you just start finding more and more doors and just as you think it must be the winner you start seeing all the wheels that go along with them (or vice versa).

    It’s impossible to know which one wins without very clear (and limiting) definitions of “door” and “wheel”. Those definitions would have to be equally restrictive to both “doors” and “wheels” or else the limitations decide, not the world we’ve built around us. I posit that anyone claiming to have an answer have made up their own limits of what “counts” and those limitations are likely not equally balanced.

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    Team wheel here. I’d expect the sheer number of wheels inside mechanisms and machines to clinch it.

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    Im going to chime in here and say we expand the definition of wheels to include doors and the definition of doors to include wheels.

    Problem solved.

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    Wheels, just because of Lego

    Today, almost 50% of all Lego sets contain wheels.

    And this is without getting into non-vehicle wheels like flywheels, gearwheels, etc

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    It’s wheels, it’s always gonna be wheels, most things will have 3 to 4 wheels, trucks have 2 doors 4 to 8 wheels, then you have the trailer that usually has 8 wheels and 2 doors, then you have any industrial machinery that pulls something throughit, because rollers are wheels, also, now I know people will say that houses have lots of doors, but think about it, your vacume has wheels/no door, your fridge has 4 wheels 2 doors, no matter how you try to play this game, wheels always come out on top, they’re infinitely more important to modern society than doors are.

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        Cas have 5 doors max, if you class the steering wheel they have a minimum of 5 wheels, so at worst a car zeros itself out, a bonnet/hood is a lid, so that doesn’t count as a door, factories throw the door to wheel average right out the window, there’s way more wheels involved in a factory or warehouse than there are doors, no matter how you spin it, wheels always come out the winner.

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          If the steering wheel counts then so does the hood, frankly. And also the fuel/battery door.

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            Ooh I forgot about the fuel door. And I think a lid detaches from the object, if a bonnet isn’t a door then a bulkhead isn’t a door and I can’t abide that

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            The hood is a lid, different mechanism, I’ll give you the fuel door tho, I forgot about that one.

            You gotta remember there’s a lot of wheels out there that are hidden from view, rollers and cogs are wheels, so clocks are full of wheels, rollers are wheels so convertor belts, sliding doors and kitchen draws have wheels.

            It’s wheels all the way.

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        The contents of those apartments contain wheels, gears are wheels, so anything that requires gears has wheels, so a proper clock is filled with wheels, then you have rollers, any sliding door will have rollers, thus having wheels, immpretty sure some of those slow self closing door mechanisms have cogs in them, so more wheels. Your fridge has 2 wheels to make the motor work, so more wheels, nearly every single slide out drawer has wheels to help the draw slide out, so say 4 wheels each drawer and you have like 5 drawers, that’s 20 wheels, your vacume cleaner has wheels, some beds have wheels, wheels will always out number doors.

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            The mechanism that runs the pin pick up thing and the ball return contain rollers and cogs, cabinets and closet doors are alreadyincluded because they’re doors.

            There will always be more wheels.

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    This has broken my brain.

    I have 40+ wheels I can think of in my house. Chairs, carts, bikes, shit there’s even one on my mouse. That’s not even counting all the wheels in my massive Lego collection.

    But then again… Cabinet doors, microwave, refrigerator, oven… Fuck!

    What have you done to me?

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      Depends on how you count wheels.

      A bicycle has two wheels right?

      Well, what about the bearings? Those are basically little wheels, should we count those? Now hold up a sec, inside the bearing, there are either balls, or rollers, which actual like little wheels for the bearing to turn on… so maybe a bike has like… Over 40 wheels on it.

      Personally, I think I’m going to go with wheels over doors. I can think of a lot of doors that have wheels in them, but I can’t think of that many wheels that have doors in them.

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        A wheel needs an axle, so the bearings aren’t a separate wheel, but part of the larger wheel. You can have multiple wheels on the same axle, but not on the same plane. It gets more complicated when wheels are attached to eachother like on a truck.

        In the same vain, I think doors need atleast a frame and a large sheet of some kind to close it.

        Wheels definitely still win by a large amount though, think of all the factories with machines with dozens of wheels in them

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          Upvoting for importance in this debate: You can’t count a wheel twice if it has wheels nested inside of it

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          A wheel needs an axle, so the bearings aren’t a separate wheel, but part of the larger wheel.

          So if you take the wheels off the bicycle, are we no longer counting them as wheels?

          Also, bearings have inner and outer races, so technically, the inner race could be considered an axel.

          In the same vain, I think doors need atleast a frame and a large sheet of some kind to close it.

          I think this definition of “door” is probably too restricted at the same time. When I moved into my house, I had to take some doors off to get the furniture in. The doors are still in the basement. My wife sometimes asks me what we are going to do with the doors in the basement. If someone was down there, they would recognize them as doors that have been removed. By your definition, those doors aren’t doors. As the same time, the lid on a dumpster meets the definition of a door, so maybe the definition you have is too expansive?

          The point is, the question is confusing because wheels are doors are concepts that we have, and not strictly defined objects.

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            Well yeah I think a perfect definition that fits every situation doesn’t exist.

            I think if the described item doesn’t fulfil its role at the current moment, it doesn’t count. Otherwise any round object with a hole in the center can be a wheel or any flat sheet could be a door

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    Thanks. We’ve only been at it for 20 minutes and this is ending friendships in my group chat.

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    I thought the wheels had it easily, but then I started counting cabinet doors and I’m not so sure anymore.

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    I’m going to argue a little for team doors though I wouldn’t say I’m confident.

    Feels like are more things with doors and not wheels than things with wheels and not doors. So many buildings and cabinets and dressers and whatnot. Actually, think of an apartment building. A 1 bedroom apartment will have at least 3 or 4 normal doors plus cabinets and the fridge, times the possibly hundreds of apartments in 1 building, plus probably a couple dozen for maintenance, common areas, and elevators.

    I do think how you define the 2 greatly changes the calculation, but I think doors do compete at least

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      There will also be a door for every breaker box, and for every mailbox.

      But most drawers have 4 wheels per drawer, and each rolling chair has 5 wheels. My dresser has 5 drawers and it’s on wheels, so that adds 24 wheels to the count, without adding a single door. I still think the wheel are very far ahead, even in aparment buildings, even before taking gears, bobbins, and spools into account

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        I think the 3 dressers at my place have 0 wheels between them. None have bottom wheels, the 2 modern dressers use ball bearings, and the vintage one is just wood on wood. Actually the vintage one has a door too.

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        My god, what bizzaro places do all the people commenting here live, where all the furniture has wheels ? Dressers with wheels, fridges with wheels, I’m half expecting TABLES with wheels now 😂

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          I am in Canada, and most large appliances (that are not built in) have wheels so that it’s easier to clean behind them a couple of times a year. The wheels are fairly small, and completely hidden.

          Furniture with wheels, like my dresser, aren’t as common. It’s mostly older, solid wood construction, and the wheels are just as small and hidden as they are on the fridge.

          If your larger appliance doesn’t have wheels on it, we often buy after-market wheel kits for them. That kit has 32 wheels per appliance in order to spread the weight.

          When you add that a lot of drawers here use these types of slides, which adds 4 wheels per drawer, we have some kitchens with over 100 wheels in them.

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    How do you define wheel? That’s going to change the numbers. And how do we want to define door?