Fuck both sides for creating a totally optional global economic crisis
🎶We’ve only just beguuuuuuuun🎶
Please note, USA attacks are “preemptive strikes” by default.
The USA has been doing this for decades, Bush also used an “imminent threat” to strike Iraq.
It’s NOT a war because only congress can declare war. So when Russia invades Ukraine we call that a “war” but when we invade Iraq it’s called “Operation Iraqi Freedom” ™ and everyone still manages to keep a straight face somehow.
Iran has miles and miles of underground production and inventory, I don’t think it will be as easy as Iraq was, they have been preparing for this for many years.
Basically everyone in the US calls this and Iraq as war. Only politically motivated dipshits ever go “uhhm actually it’s not a war”. We know it’s not technically a war per US law, but we also know it’s obviously a war
I can count on one hand the number of people I’ve heard try that in person.
At this point there’s no real distinction other than funding being weird
You think Iraq was easy? You realize we didn’t win that one right? We didn’t accomplish shit. Because if we did, this shit we’re in now never would have fucking started!
Compared to Iran, Iraq was easy. Iran is built to be a decentralized ideological government and military. Iran has more mountains than the US. Iran has more people than Iraq and Afghanistan combined before those respective wars. The IRGC allegedly only has 150,000 soldiers… because the other 10 million or so are trained and armed ‘civilians.’ That’s not counting the other ~30 million armed farmers. Iran has no real central leadership to decapitate. Iran has no popular revolutionary movement against the current government.
Iraq had a strong centralized government, US trained army, and an incredibly powerful revolutionary force built up against Saddam long before the US invaded. As soon as Saddam was forced to flee and hide, Iraq’s main resistance was over, with actual freedom fighters double backing against the US occupational forces after they realized the US wasn’t there to support revolution, just occupy indefinitely. The biggest problem the US faced was a lack of support for their ‘hearts and minds’ campaign. The actual military work was over in two weeks with basic security work from then to today.
In Iran, if the US invades, there will not be an end to the military work. There will never be a safe place on land the US can be. There will never be an interim government, not even one as weak as the Afghani government pre-taliban take over. There will always be some remnant of the previous Iranian government ready to fight, making independent military trade deals with China and Russia for supplies, and handling their own logistics.
And that’s still not going into detail on the terrain. Close Air Support will not exist during the entire land war. Every single system the US uses for CAS is incapable of handling extremely mountainous terrain with no clear targets.
And remember that I’m pretty sure that both the politicians and the military leadership are probably less capable, due to the fact that Ronald McTrump likes yes-men
It’s NOT a war because only congress can declare war.
You realize the rest of the world doesn’t give a fuck about your BS technicalities, and just calls it a war, right? Shit, don’t you call it the Vietnam war?
Yes, they do realize that, that was one of the points they were making in the post.
I noticed, just pointing out that it’s a useless distinction for non USians, and, given its 70+ years since congress actually did it, for USians as well. Why waste the time?
We just don’t any wars any more. We break shit, then we go home. That isn’t war. That is doing what the shareholders probably wanted
Of course if it isn’t a war, then assassinating their head of state was super illegal.
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Someone made a website to keep track what is happening of this American initiated mess.
I was told that Iranian men, big beautiful men, came to Trump with tears in their eyes telling him how much of a big strong man he was and how he completely defeated them and they wanted to be a state.
Was i lied to?
Trump really bit off more than he could chew, but at least it’s distracting the world from what Israel is doing in Palestine and Lebanon, which was the whole point
Would be funny if Iran released the Epstein files publicly…
Absolutely insane that every time I read what Iran is doing in relation to this conflict, my reaction is along the lines of “Yeah, that makes perfect sense.”
The same Iran that sentences women to enough lashes to die three times over for not wearing a hijab. It’s split into as many sessions as needed for the woman to survive, but it’s just as fucked up anyway.
USA LOST and Iran WON.
Nobody has told Trump yet.
We should really stop before they take over our country.
How deep are the oil reserves? Shit is going to get exciting when we can’t farm.
Already burnt through about 75% of recoverable /usable volume
Hmmm, this sounds…problematic.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Shooting at third party ships is not “defending yourself”.
And yet, it seems to be effectively restraining the worlds most powerful military power.
Venezuela and Cuba fishermen agree
If you thought the MOU favored Iran, wait til you see the next ceasefire…
Side question: Why, in this whole debacle, can’t ships just sail within the territorial waters of Oman, on the southern side of the strait? Why does Iran get to dictate what happens in Oman’s territorial waters? 've heard surprisingly little said by or towards Omani officials about this.
Iran used to respect things like freedom of navigation and territorial waters, but then Trump went and attacked them anyway. If rules aren’t going to be respected by their enemies, they have nothing to lose by exerting their power.
That’s why Trump’s attack was so incredibly fucking stupid.
They can, and many have been. But Iran still has the firepower to control the strait, and Oman doesn’t want to get involved.
It’s more a question about why Omani officials haven’t thrown a fit on the international stage about this blatant violation of their sovereignty. I’m not stupid enough to think that Iranian missiles stop at the international border.
??? Iran can shoot missiles at any ship in the strait, Oman water or not. That’s war for you.
In any case, it’s insurance companies that say ships have lost insurance, and shipping companies are not willing to take the chance.
Why does Iran get to dictate what happens in Oman’s territorial waters?
Because the US and Israel killed international law.
Sucks to be Kuwaiti or Omani right now. (It always sucks to be a Bahraini, place is worse than North Korea but since they’re oil buddies we never call it out)
Uh excuse me sir, question out here in the back. I was told the war was over and we won. Care to comment?
Butbut, they can’t do that, the banner said “mission accomplished”! The US did a war win, trump said so! Besides, it’s not like trump left an of the US goals with the recent attacks unaccomplished… there were actual strategic military goals, right?
