Fuck you spez and your goddamn AI powered moderation, you sniveling motherfucker.
Reddit only gained traction when digg fucked itself. This AI shit may (finally) be the second shoe dropping
Yes absolutely, I was one of those people that left digg for reddit.
just came to this site after getting banned off reddit… it has some nice features… BUT idk if i understand it correctly or not. i’m on lemmy.zip, if a subreddit on here isn’t bundled with together with my lemmy server will i not see it? will i still be able to interact with it? curious how it works.
View all, not local. Keep in mind that if your admin is a nutter, they will defederate instances and you wont see them.
If you don’t want to see a instance or community or user you can personally block them. Dont rely on your admin to curate your feed IMO, do it yourself. but you do you.
Youre in charge of your own account. Welcome fellow lemminator. Peace.
are there ELI5 videos for all this stuff that you said about curating and admins cause Im super new too and am curious about all this. Please suggest something if you can.
leminator
I thought we were lemmings
All the different lemmys (by default) will show up for all the others. Though some lemmy servers block specific other ones from syncing with their instance. Notably the tanky-heavy lemmy instances tend to get blocked.
If you go over to hexbear (a lemmy instance), you will hear significantly more people tell you Russia invading their neighbors in wars of conquest is good, actually.
interesting. thank you. when i was on reddit i would go to r/debate r/changemyview and subreddits like that where i could have discussions. are there lemmy subreddits for debates cause i’m not really finding any. thanks for the reply. on the plus side, of the two comments i left on lemmy they both got replies, so i was glad it wasn’t like twitter where you leave a comment on a large post and nobody interacts with 99% of your comments there. that’s nice and part of what i liked about reddit. good to know lemmy has people replying to each other here too.
If you got global banned for no reason from Leddit (“no reason” being “you broke no listed rules”) then you’ll wind up global banned for no reason twice as fast on this amazing alternate website I assure you
it seems like half the people here are here from being banned off reddit though.
There’s actually a surprising number of people who still use both. People who feel they’ve been wronged are usually pretty vocal about it. I’m not saying they’re exaggerating or lying or anything either, mind you, just pointing out that’s the way the human mind works. Capital One pissed me off and I told everyone who would listen for like a decade after, but no one really volunteers info about uneventful relationships.
true.
I wasn’t banned, I just left. FYI.
Because Leddit actually requires a bit of effort to return on a new account without it being instabanned which many people don’t understand how to get around, whereas this platform is fundamentally fucked with the ‘instance’ signups and getting banned doesn’t mean squat
my preference 🤩
Not true in my totally banned from Reddit but enjoyed on lemmy experience
Not true until the lemmy.world staff disagree with you :)
I call bullshit. AI didn’t eat their user growth.
They sold out the users, making the experience objectively worse. They turned the screws until many of the positive, helpful users left. They became hyper-toxic; now, no one wants to be there, even for the niche communities. They’re moderating like they’re at war with any half-decent human being, and now they’ve locked down the free/easy access, ruining the one remaining marketing trick they had (google search results)
Honestly I’m done with the moderation more than anything, I got so fed up with the blatant manipulation on one of the subs I’ve frequented for over a decade I wrote a script to see what was going on with all the silent removals and so much was just vanishing. Capture all the comments every minute and diff them, you’ll see what I mean.
Realised the reddit most of us knew was as good as dead then to be honest. Powermods are a cancer and the only chemo is to leave the place altogether.
I read the writing on the wall when they started clawing back free mobile access.
The first time a ‘free’ platform makes a desperate move, it’s time to relocate. I wiped all my posts and left my accounts open. Then, I went back and wiped them again every time they magically reappeared.
I only left my posts in the sub that helped people understand Fediverse and Lemmy.
I didn’t know they put posts back. I went in and wiped all my stuff around then too but I didn’t look back.
I spent time over several months hand deleting my post one by one, and they don’t show up for me.
But one time after deleting them, someone replied to one of those deleted posts, so I think they’re visible to others, but not to me anymore.
I left all my accounts to this day because I don’t trust them
I have a serious question can I see like the evidence which you were able to gather from the use of this script? Its ok of you dont want to share cause I dont even know what a script is to be honest lol. Because I always try to archive something that these natsees do and this would just be another peice of evidence for me.
To be honest it was only ever a proof of concept, I ran it for a week or so and left it a sqlite database on my laptop. If you wanted to make a statistical case for manipulation you’d want to gather a more substantial dataset together, and you’d also want to label the data using NLP techniques.
You want to go more into that? Sounds super interesting, and not all of us have the tech knowledge to do that
So the idea is that you capture everything in the subreddit (posts, comments, votes if they’re not delayed to the point of uselessness) and save it to a database. The API rate limit is low these days but not so low you can’t do this for a moderately sized sub in the space of a minute or so. It’s easy enough to write a script that does this capturing, and after every capture you compare it with the previous one. The difference or ‘diff’ between the two captures is the content which was added and removed between the captures. Take the removed content, subtract those deleted by the user, subtract those openly removed by the mods, and you get the silently removed content minus API errors, reddit’s own anti-spam and so on. This is often quite revealing!
Obviously this is not a perfect method, reddit itself really hates people trying to impose transparency on its platform. It has long falsely reported votes, totals, and all sorts of information while particularly shower-dodging mods will deploy their own bots on top of reddit’s own which can well beat your bot to the punch. This adds error to the process, but you can definitely see trends this way in my opinion.
The damn admins are right wingers, who TF wants to discuss anything under their rule
Idk. Normies just talk to chatgpt these days. They don’t need to ask reddit
the problem with chatgpt is that it cant answer your complex questions.
Like suppose you have a question related to your cureent relationship with your friend or your lover or an acquaintance of yours or to one of their acquaintances and you and that person are ’ stuck ’ in an awkward situation or misunderstanding that is a one in a trillion situation and has probably only ever happened to you two or to another duo of people in history…what kind of answer could chatgpt give you that would be more specific than a human who can read the situation, compare it to their own past awkward situation and then give you a specific answer as to how they handled a similar scenario ? And lets just say its a situation that you should talk over or resolve between you and that person VERY soon.
I will admit Ive only used chatgpt once so I have no idea how it handles complex scenarios involving actual emotional and sentient humans with each of our own lives, traumas, journeys, destinations, routines, and every other thing that usually comes with being a human.
Am I right or wrong about this? Has chatgpt been able to do such complex analysis and complex suggestions to such situations?
You’d be surprised i guess
… because? …
They gave their user
basegrowth to AI and AI ate itEdit: I thought it over and user growth actually makes sense here
I love eating userbases. Just like how I eat a couple small rocks every day.
there are only three things I love in this world eating my family and never using punctuations… (and eating userbases)
Well, maybe AI can read the site and advertisers can sell their ads to the AI.
The fact that I’ve been a Reddit user for 17 years and I’m reading this on Lemmy says a lot about what Reddit has become.
Im lying if I said I wouldnt still be commenting there if the automod hadnt bugged out on me and created an unwarranted ban evasion death loop but the rage-engagement algorithm on reddit is becoming more and more apparent. I was never seeing actually good content from the subs I liked, i was only ever getting posts from the same handful of subreddits and only the shit that got the most comments.
Like not even good posts from those popular ones, ONLY the ones that were baiting people… and every municipal sub feels like a fuckiny psyop now. Any hot button issues and you get inundated by insane takes from obviously fake accounts that (before they removed viewable history) would just be coasting from sub to sub posting on the same topics (homelessness, trans rights, womens rights, immigration, etc)
Considering my first ever account years ago got banned for “report abuse” for reporting a comment about alleged jewish space lazers causing the hawaii fires… I think theyre relying hard on AI tools in the background that arent doing what theyre supposed to.
I created my Reddit account in 2011, I deleted all my posts and stopped posting/commenting when they blocked 3rd party apps from using the free APIs and I am considering of setting up some sort of filtering to block it out of my search results since it doesn’t work without being signed in.
Reddit is dead for me
Yep, my account was 14 years old and I got banned for the most innocuous post that I thought that it was a joke. Don’t miss Reddit at all. It’s like getting kicked out of a fire.
I’ve been there for 16 years, but I have the same observation.
I was a reddit user for 15+ years… I got perma banned a bit ago. Part of me misses it. But… Whatever.
I got perma banned after Roe v Wade for criticizing the security theater surrounding SCOTUS. My account was primarily D&D homebrew. I can’t even go back to delete my posts…
I got permabanned for saying something bad about Elon and now I’m here. Don’t really miss reddit much. In a way they did me a favor.
I don’t know how many years I was on there but I was pretty active. The combo of killing 3rd party apps and selling everyone’s comments to AI was what made me nuke my account.
I had my first account in 2006 I believe. By even 2010 Reddit was becoming kind of shit.
Honestly, I don’t want to blame reddit entirely. The entirety of the internet has gotten progressively worse and worse and worse over the past 20 years. At this point I’m ready to nuke the whole experiment.
I wish we could go back to the web of the 2000s.
Golden age for sure. It was the wild West but so fucking fun. Every web page was creative and unique. Every community felt special. Now we’re all just funneled into these prefab “experiences” on these billionaire owned corpo platforms. It’s so dystopian.
You can’t open a damn thing without getting bombarded by ads. Corporations own the internet now.
“We value your privacy and security, but please provide every tiny piece of personal data, including when you had your last shit”.
Google licensed Reddit’s content to improve AI-generated search summaries. Those summaries frequently answer users’ questions by drawing from Reddit discussions without requiring users to click through to Reddit itself. The arrangement generates licensing revenue, but it may also reduce opportunities to convert casual visitors into engaged, logged-in users who ultimately become more valuable advertising customers.
lol, yeah, that was a predictable outcome.
We must cannibalise long term sustainability for short tern quarterly growth! It is the only way.
Spez thought he could make it relevant on its own before the clock ran out on the deal.
I may seem full of myself but requiring a login drastically reduces educated people existing in reddits ecosystem. I’m completely done with it and have moved back to forums for most things. This shift is the final nail in reddits decade old coffin imo.
Short-term profits were great tho! Who cares about the future? Certainly not the asshole called spez
I dunno, we already knew the reddit answer without clicking in and it was “why don’t you google this yourself”.
If spez would’ve started an askreddit thread about the pros and cons of licensing user content to google he probably would’ve gotten a preview of how much he’d be on the short end of the stick
Didn’t it happen around IPO?
One could theorise it was done to boost forward projections at that specific time of the company’s lifecycle
Reminds me of that vc fraud article
Those summaries frequently give wrong answers.
To be fair the other options was Google just using reddit content without there permission, like every other service, and not getting payed at all.
ruin Reddit
everyone leaves
Why is our stock down? :(
Block users without an account
Shocked pikachu
Waiting for the lawsuits to claim users leaving is illegal.
I got banned permanently for simple giving my opinion to a maga supporter. That should tell you as much. Fuck Reddit
At least you had a chance to mouth off. I Got banned by a fucking automod glitch and I cant even report it because their ban evasion bot sends you into an automatic ban loop for any account you make.
Didnt even break any rules, they just rely on AI tools to do what should be human work and here we are.
AI destroyed Reddit. Probably will here too soon
I got banned for making a crude joke about Kanye West and being surprised he hadn’t murder/suicided himself and Kim or Taylor yet, it was on topic for the conversation not at random, the reason given was “insighting violence” - for who?? Is Kanye personally reading my comments?? I was a power user with hundreds of thousands of post and comment karma too… their loss imo
That’s why you keep all your options open. ;-)
Fuck reddit. I hope that site dies soon and we can go back to not having everything locked inside a single site.
I miss forum signatures. It’s weird, but those were always so fun to me.
Hopefully Twitter, Discord, and the entirety of Meta platforms/services goes along with it…would be a beautiful day.
," he said, from a completely different site where he can express such an opinion.
Just giving you crap, I get it. Also, Lemmy is small. It’s a good start, but we need more growth and maturity. :)
They made it so you can’t even browse the site without signing up. They’re idiots. Fucking morons.
The last nail in the coffin for that site was when they put Spez in charge. Just some dumbass power-hungry moderator of a jail bait sub thinking he can run a website which acted as a public forum of discussion, information, and entertainment. Pure lunacy.
I remember the personal hate Ellen Pao got back in the day, in hindsight a classic Silicon Valley example of a scapegoat for unpopular decisions senior management were already committed to making. The gendered nature of this was particularly egregious with reddit being well… reddit. Reddit was an ‘old internet’ site trying to pivot into ‘social media’ without massively alienating the older group, they had to make it advertiser-friendly so Pao was set up to make those changes with Spez taking over to put things ‘back on track’ later on, when in reality he was as keen to make reddit into what it is now as any. Why people are still surprised by this I don’t know since reddit was a Y Combinator darling: it’s a business not a commons, and in my view there’s an element of responsibility on the users for not recognising this despite the company’s rhetoric.
Something like reddit is structurally incapable of being the marketplace of ideas it was ostensibly claimed to be. As always the purpose of a system is what it does, any venture capital backed firm ideally goes bust quickly or makes astonishing returns for its investors. Consider the material reality: we already had a marketplace of ideas in the form of decentralised forums, Usenet, IRC, and other protocol-based systems which act much more like a public commons than an enclosed, private estate. Reddit (and things like Discord) are in many ways the modern version of enclosing the commons, and in my opinion so is much recent development of IP legislation.
I’d flatter Lemmy and the fediverse by saying it represents the opposite instinct, to defend the commons rather than enclose it.
i’m here now
Reddits inevitable demise is pending. So many posts are just garbage now. AI slop, rage bait, engagement bait, every comment is some stupid fucking joke, no one is serious anymore, etc. In the science sub you used to get banned for not being serious, now it’s all just one shitty joke after another.
it’s as though Reddit is actively encouraging it’s user base and potential new users to not use the site. The search results encourage that. “here’s the answer from reddit, don’t worry, you don’t need to go there” or “you prefer old.reddit? welp you gotta sign up for that now!” or the search field that just doesn’t search the actual subreddit you’re in “you want to search for a specific window manager on unixporn? nope, here’s a result from a subreddit about cleaning windows”
Also watch your tongue on reddit! if you criticize ANYTHING that reddit has vested interest in you get a ban.
The site should be studied as a textbook example of enshitification
It’s the ultimate short term profit strategy squeeze the user experience, cash out on data licensing deals with AI companies, and act surprised when people stop showing up.
That’s been the modern world for the last 40 years. Durability is nothing compared to next-quarter profits, because if something starts to shit the bed you just move your money to something that hasn’t been ruined yet, and then make even more money ruining it.
I’m pretty sure they just see themselves as an AI training database with an annoying website attached they have to keep online to make it look like they still care
Good. Hopefully reddit will get worse and drive more people to Lemmy.
I dont mean to be rude but…do we want them here? I kinda think its good as is. Sure we get some people but its been nice lately.
It’d be nice to have extremely niche communities that are active. I just don’t want to have bot accounts or paid propagandists on Lemmy like what Reddit currently has.
Exactly. We need a few more people. But not the bots, spam and B’s of reddit.
Yeah. The Facebookification of reddit is one of the things that killed it. If you make it too easy to access and use, you get more noise than signal, like people asking the same questions over and over, or cheap jokes in the comments that drown out useful ones.
I think the people that find it here are probably decent. It’s really just when money gets involved that the vultures start circling. I guess time will tell how the fediverse experiment goes
Given how we successfully resisted threads’ EEE attempt, I’d say it’s going well so far
While Reddit is getting shittier by the minute, just an FYI: you can still search within a sub even if the sub tag is missing from the search bar. You need to type “subreddit:name-of-sub your-keywords”, e.g. “subreddit:funny cute dog”. I still use Reddit, because however shitty, there’s a lot of good info on it that I can’t find anywhere else (niche stuff or smaller communities). I do use a 3rd party Android client most of the times, though.
There’s still a working 3rd party client? Which one(s)? I thought they killed them all off…
I used Joey for the longest time, but didn’t feel too comfortable using an app that’s abandoned, so I switched to Continuum.
You can just use a browser.
The site should be studied as a textbook example of enshitification
Exactly. Also the reason why they we’re pushing so hard to switch to new UI is that the design of the old one made it much harder to enshitify[1].
BTW: I like Lemmy and all, but I wish Usenet could become popular again. I feel like Reddit contributed somewhat to its demise to became that replacement of it.
[1] I mean in the sense to milk profit at the cost of degrading user experience, not to just to make it bad for the sake of making it bad. You can always make things worse.
Usenet. Now, there’s a bit of the old web I haven’t thought about for a very long time…
Stock will bounce back. Reddit will not learn, because it knows that it just needs to change its game and enshittify more. It’s too late.
I still waste some time there, but I come here for discussion. Although Lemmy needs growth and maturity. But it’s still better already.
Lemmy was a ghost town last time I visited, it’s actually viable to leave reddit now because discussions are reasonably active. Also you’re way less likely to be talking to an LLM which is nice.
The nail in the coffin for me was the mobile site becoming completely unusable. That pop-up completely disables scrolling and swiping to go back.
Their decision to abruptly remove third party API access is what drove me here. I wiped all my posts shortly after they started offering that stock buy in bullshit. Definitely made the right decision after seeing them become what they are now.
same experience here
Same but the straw that broke the camel’s back for me was their decision to hide user history and modify the algorithm that made it hard to identify if post is real or astro turfed
I tried using ublock origin’s element picker to hide it but scrolling is still disabled. Since the api thing I’ve only used Reddit from Google, not logged in, and redirected to old. So with their updates the last few weeks there’s literally no option for me here, I’m simply 100% done with reddit.
If you ever need to view something, just put word “safe” in front of reddit.com
Kind of like you can put “cancel” after x in x.com
Putting it here, because there might be need to see some post, but don’t want anyone to create an account.
Oh wow, so they don’t even have button to hide this pop-up?
FYI you can browse in private mode to get around that
Wow, no kidding. I just tried it out. I’ve just been using it for porn.
Reddit is a shit show… can I say that!?
I got banned and I see weird posts and replies that is obviously Ai slop.
My friend and I got shadow banned. We have no idea why!?
It used to be good… the future is not reddit.
Ps: I apologize for farting while typing this comment.
They put AI moderators in charge and I have a feeling they’re whittling their own userbase down and that that might be having an effect on their stocks too.
Lol if they trained an AI on their own moderators, it’s no surprise that they moderate in an arbitrary kind of way.
the problem is that the majority of redditor moderators and admins act in ways that are very arbitrary when it comes to their banning of certain comments ,posts or ideologies . So if the humans doijng the job do the job in borderline nonsensical ways…how would the AI fair in such things?
The reasom why AI works well in a coffee maker is because its very straight forward to make different caffeinated beverages in straightforward ways. Just follow the recipe as long as you have the ingredients and equipment. Simple.
But when it comes to humans communicsting ideas? There has never been a perfect recipe for any of it and there probably wont be ever. Sometimes a person is literally a natsee but the way they communicate it is through half-way phrases and dogwhistles and its harder to sniff out if this oerson is being malicious or not and sometimes a person is communicating a great idea
Let me give you an example of something that I think demonstrates the nonsensicalness of reddit ai modding due to its lack of complex understanding. I was on this one subreddit and we were talking about a crime that broke headline news and some natsees started brigading the post and saying absolutely awful things. I reported and replied to many of the natsee comments. But suddently I got banned from thate subreddit forever and I looked for the reason why… I was banned because my reply to a nat see had the word ‘Black’ in it. …I simply replied to the natsee that ‘I am a Black man’ and Im guessing the AI saw me commenting ‘Black’ and automatically thought I was making a derogatory comment…
That’s not even AI in a coffee maker, that’s just… a coffee maker XD
Anyway, this 100%, you make great points.
wait , I thougut that modern coffee makers ‘read’ the instructions on those little modern coffee packets and it uses AI to understand the instructions to make different types of coffees in different types of ways. Am I wrong?
