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    They’re already out trying to spin his win as a failure because he didn’t win by a big enough margin.

    This guy is literally facing the camera saying “I’m not a socialist. I am a capitalist, who wants the rich to pay their fair share.” and the establishment is screeching communism.

    Idk how it can’t be more plainly clear that we are in a class struggle against the ultra rich.

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      They won’t mention the difference in funds between him and his opponent. She spent tens of millions of dollars more than he did, and she still lost.

      This is absolutely a win.

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      The better question is why anyone would think that socialism would be considered a dirty word in the Rust Belt? If anything, they’re helping him. Traditionally blue Michigan voted red in 2024 and it wasn’t because Kamala Harris was too socialist.

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      Not a failure at all, but yes to quash the MAGAts these wins need to be decisive and unequivocal that the people want change. A win by 13 % is great it’s a win, but it’s not a message loud enough.

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          Let’s hope for the U.S.’s fate it continues the Republicans with Trump have done untold damage to your reputation that will take generations to repair if ever.

          No trade deal signed with the U.S. is worth the paper it’s printed on.

          The constant belief that the free market will make health care affordable.

          The constant lies and untruths told by Republicans.

          You want a sobering reminder of what large swaths of the U.S. are like? Watch “the good liars” on YouTube. The guys from the “daily show” go around talking to people. It’s funny but depressing to watch. These are the people you’re voting against.

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    Hey, for any progressive / socialist / communist / anarchist lemmings out there that thinks the Democratic establishment can’t or won’t support a more left candidate:

    • “I am proud to offer my support as he takes on Mike Rogers in the general election,” [U.S. Rep. Haley Stevens] said.

    • Curtis Hertel, the chair of Michigan Democratic Party, urged unity ahead of November.

    • Sen. Gary Peters, the Michigan Democrat whose retirement spurred the contentious primary to replace him, said, “Congratulations to him.”

    Of course, this doesn’t mean we can just vote our way out of this, or that the Democratic party is the best way to move forward your politics. But, just remember the value of a strategic vote isn’t nothing and doesn’t have much opportunity cost.

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      Talk is cheap. The Democrats have shown time and time and time again that they’re more than happy to virtue signal or tell citizens what they want to hear when election time rolls around but immediately turn their backs on the people when it comes time to govern.

      Maybe save the snarky “I told you so” type comments until you can provide more than hollow quotes from a couple of individuals.

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        Where, exactly, is the snark in my comment? It was unintended, and I’d like to avoid projecting snark unintentionally in the future.

        I agree that quotes aren’t a lot of action, but public quotes are one of the methods people in those positions affect the electorate and help (or hinder) candidates. I do hope the DNC contributes materially to the campaign, and agree that has yet to happen.

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          I probably l could have found a better word to use but couldn’t think of one. I also hope they follow through, but have become so jaded and cynical of the party after years of seeing them giving Trump and the Republican party every single thing they want.

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    ANOTHER Progressive WON? This is FURTHER proof that the ONLY path to Democratic victory is APPEALING to the MAGA votes!

    -Democratic Leadership!

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      As a fan of Bernie, I know the Democratic Party has chosen to freeze out it’s left wing often in the past. But, all the D officers/candidates/etc quoted in the article support Abdul El-Sayed.

      Let’s see if they can stomach unity this time, and not preemptively attack them, since they haven’t yet failed Mr. El-Sayed. (Feel free to attack them for actually abandoning progressive candidate that could have or did win in the past.)

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    A year ago I would say US is cooked and there’s no way to turn this shit around but this is actually looking promising. Obviously they still have tons of obstacles ahead of them and most of them are way harder that this but they did more than I expected already. Keep fighting!

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      It’s actually wild to watch how quickly the mood has been shifting since 2024.

      Now, everyone is talking about wealth disparity and all the issues that come with it. Progressive candidates are winning primaries left and right. Democrats are flipping seats at an unprecedented rate. Black voter turnout in the South has been surging since the gutting of the VRA.

      In November of 2024 the Democratic party was in shambles. Now, thanks to progressive candidates and voters, they’re actually forming an identity that isn’t just “not Republican.” They’re running on issues that benefit the common people and they’re winning.

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        Democratic party is still in shambles. There’s a faction inside of it that’s growing but they still have to win elections (which Trump will try to cancel or steal), win some power inside the party (which the leadership will do everything they can to prevent), win presidential primaries (with, again, entire establishment against them, this time at national level), win elections (against JD or Rubio which could actually be pretty easy) and push through reforms (like filibuster reform, pack Supreme Court and so on) fighting against both republicans and corporate dems. Once all this is done progressives will be able to actually start governing. Very hard but at least there’s a path now. A year ago there was nothing.

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          Everything up to the last step is doable by 2029.

          The last step might come In the 2040’s.

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          its the schumer’s/jefferies parties against the more “progressive ones” not against the gop, which they claim are fighting against but isnt actually doing anything to stop it, in fact is benefitting under trumps providing cover.

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        Even the democrats are disparaging the wave of DSA candidates in their party for being too communist. Of course you should probably check their accounts for AIPAC money. Either way it’s still progress to see the apathy fade and push for things that benefit society as a whole instead of billionaires and warmongers

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        also the fact that schumer ended the subsidies, even though they were covid era ones, for people on ACA plans, it made the dinos a bad look.

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    I first posted this comment on !michigan!michigan@midwest.social

    His win, however slim, represents a significant shift for the Democratic Party; in 2018 he lost the gubernatorial primary to now-Gov. Gretchen Whitmer by 21 percentage points.

    This is by no means the only article I’ve seen that mentions this. But what people seem to fail to remember is that at that time there had begun rumblings that if El-Sayed won the Democrat nomination there would be legal challenges to his candidacy. Michigan law requires one to have been a registered Michigan voter for 4 years prior to the election. While El-Sayed had registered to vote when he was 18 in Michigan, and never removed from the voting roles, he had registered and voted in New York like 3 years earlier when he was studying at Columbia.

    Even the Republican Secretary of State indicated that she would not interfere with a party’s nominating process and that if such a decision were necessary about any party’s nominee it would only be taken up after their nomination.

    After that came to light his poll numbers dropped significantly with Democrats fearing they would end up no one on the ballot. Personally, I doubt it would have gone that way, but people are scared.

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    I know it was close, and the constant deluge of ads was hard to overcome.

    My question: How do we do better fighting it next time? Even more doorknockers? Community groups that set up fun meet and greet events, etc? How do we better amass the power of the people over the power of money?

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      By supporting and running candidates who aren’t milquetoast poll-readers with passable oratory skills. A decade+ of this shit has finely tuned many folks’ bullshit meters and they are very much done with the status quo, or whatever’s left of it.

      As an example, my US rep sent out a blast email a month or two ago with a one-line Yes/No poll question: “should I support the presidents request for an additional $88B for the Iran War?” Bitch, 1) it’s not a “War” as you didn’t sign off on it 2) he and his lackeys do not give a single fuck what you do or don’t support, they’ve proven time and again that they’re just going to do shit whether or not you as a US rep approve, and 3) why the fuck are you asking me? Your entire job is to know more about this shit than me and make Informed Decisions that reflect the best interests of your constituents; me. In fact, i should be asking you that question then holding you accountable when I disagree. That’s how this democracy thing is supposed to work, dickbag.

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      Never understood why the american left doesn’t build their own donor sponsored PAC to bribe politicians and spam ads since everyone else is.

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    Calling it now! Watch the DNC sabotage the primary election so he tanks. They’d rather lose a democratic election than having a candidate be elected that will actually do what they all claim to stand behind.

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      LOL you really believe that, don’t you?

      For those of you who live in reality, the moderate Democrats are already lining up behind Abdul, including Governor Whitmer.

      People want a fighter and they don’t really give a shit about the inside baseball stuff about who’s a this, who’s a that. That’s why actual leftists are winning primaries like this and in other places, more moderate candidates are taking the nomination. The relevant variable isn’t left/center; the relevant variable is “fights for me” vs “does not.”

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        Cool cool cool apparently you didn’t read the Hillary Clinton leaked emails proving how they burned Bernie Sanders…

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      Yeah, I’m not looking forward to watching T.V. for the next 3 months. Might have to pay for YouTube premium just to avoid the ads.

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        Do your part soldier and watch and click on every one of those ads so AIPAC pays. Every bullet you take is one not fired at a confused grandma.

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          I don’t think that is how YouTube ads work, is it? I’m always for taking the phone calls of jackasses, particularly signing up to volunteer so they keep calling, because they are only so much time in a day and I’d rather they spend it on me rather than on someone who might be convinced by their ramblings.

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            Looks like depends on how you buy them.

            https://blog.veefly.com/youtube-marketing/youtube-advertising-cost-full-budget-breakdown/

            Understanding YouTube ads pricing requires mastering the two primary ways Google bills advertisers: CPV and CPM. -Cost Per View (CPV): With the CPV model, you set the maximum amount you are willing to pay for a single engaged view. A view is officially counted when a user watches 30 seconds of your skippable ad or clicks a link. If they skip the ad at second 5, you are not charged. -Cost Per Mille (CPM): Mille means one thousand. With CPM bidding, you pay a flat rate for every 1,000 times your ad is shown to a viewer, regardless of whether they click, skip, or watch the whole thing.

            But there’s also maybe a discount if people interact. I’m not really sure about this one. Those are the same metrics that determine if they pay at all in the first place, so it seems weird there would be a discount.

            -Ad Quality and CTR: If your ad has a high Click-Through Rate and strong YouTube watch time, Google categorizes it as highly relevant and actively lowers your YouTube ads CPV.

            So if they’re paying per view, skipping or blocking it costs them nothing. Maybe clicking or watching 30 seconds and then turning off YouTube and walking away is the maximally damaging choice?

            But yeah, you don’t need to burn your precious human life just to cost AIPAC 30 cents. However if you’re in the mood, hate-watching advertising is actually antagonistic.

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        You can use ublock origin on firefox browser, or if you have android, you might look into youtube morphe (you download morphe manager, and that patches the actual youtube app to remove ads)

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    carville said he will leave the party, yes a know DINO married to a Republican, you arnt fooling anyone. havnt they learn that spending more money doesnt mean you will win, it means your campaign can afford to be lazier in its messaging.

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      Putin has an asylum program for delusional Americans that you’re free to make use of.

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        I’d be genuinely shocked if they are actually from here. The ones on the right would not make that kind of nuanced distinction and most of us regular folk to the left of whatever extreme-far-right shit passes for center these days and who are living this hell are already far too familiar with the use of propaganda-based purity tests, hence the down votes.

        There are other pointers, like the minimal account age, but I think you can probably see it for yourself if you’re inclined.