Donationware: you must donate to use it. Not like regular optional donates.

  • frezik@midwest.social
    39·
    2 years ago

    Escortware. You’re not paying for the software, you’re paying for the time you’re using the software.

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      2 years ago

      Turns out there’s a difference between insulting a person and disparaging an inanimate thing.

    • flicker@lemmy.world
      14·
      2 years ago

      I don’t like either and have been mobbed over my opinion, despite being a caregiver for adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities.

      One of the reasons I speak up as a caregiver is I have known ASD 1 people who admitted that it bothers them that people use that term, but they feel like they can’t make the argument themselves. Because they’re disabled.

      Out of touch assholes are the only ones still dug in over this.

      • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
        10·
        2 years ago

        I mean I’m autistic and adhd. I’ve been called retarded pretty much my whole life. To me it’s like the nword at this point. The only difference is I’m not black so I’m not gonna be throwing that around.

        • flicker@lemmy.world
          8·
          2 years ago

          I’m pretty sure you were downvoted by someone angry that you referenced the nword, even though you were literally equating the use of the word as a slur to your own experience. Which is a bummer, because as a neurologically atypical person, it can be difficult even to speak out to address your own lived experience, and can also be difficult to know what to say to have neurologically typical people grasp what you’re trying to express.

          Which demonstrates why I bitch about people using the word “retarded” as an insult. When people with that lived experience do speak up, sometimes it can be difficult to make the point you’re making in a way the greater population understands and BAM! Now you’ve pissed off everyone!

          It’s so ridiculous to me that there are people out there so proud, so attached to the words they use as insults that having someone else say, “You might be hurting someone other than the person you intend with that word, could you maybe pick another one?” outrages them.

          And, let me just say, if you’re too dim-witted to think up a better, more appropriate insult, you might be as stupid as the people you’re trying to insult.

      • Malle_Yeno@pawb.social
        9·
        2 years ago

        I’m sorry that you’ve been mobbed for sharing this view. That’s shitty.

        I feel like ableism, especially against people with intellectual and personality disability, is the one sphere where nobody seems to take the objections of the targeted group seriously, and simultaneously dismiss people speaking up for the targeted group for being “virtue signalers” or as whiners. So it’s like the only solution is to just not say anything.

        (Tangential but I have similar feelings about people calling others narcissists and attacking them for it, though I don’t feel like that is going to change anytime soon. Still, if the person targeted is actually a narcissist, then I feel like it’s bad to attack them for a diagnosis and symptoms they have no control over. And if they aren’t actually a narcissist, then why further stigmatize people with narcissism? It’s more complicated than the r-slur since abuse by narcissists happens and victims shouldn’t feel restricted from sharing their experiences accurately, but similar in how it’s disproportionately used to disparage and nobody takes objections to that usage seriously.)

      • Pringles@lemm.ee
        3·
        2 years ago

        I say it every now and then, but only for normally abled people acting like idiots. Is that an acceptable use?

        • flicker@lemmy.world
          8·
          2 years ago

          The problem is, you’re using someone else’s diagnosis as an insult. That’s the part that sucks.

          Luckily we’ve been able to phase out most of the people who still have “mental retardation” as their diagnosis. The disappointing thing is we still have (mostly older) people who will never be reclassified.

          • RoosterBoy@lemm.ee
            2·
            2 years ago

            As long as you get offended over the use of the word, you are giving that word power. Do what the LGBTQ community did and defang words like “f*g” and “qu##r”

            • flicker@lemmy.world
              4·
              2 years ago

              I don’t have the ability to explain to the mentally disabled why, when someone says a word that they associate with themselves in a mean way, that they shouldn’t be hurt.

              I have a woman in her late 60s who will tell anyone who listens about the time some kids called her “handicapped.” And she’ll cry over it. And it happened more than twenty years ago. So instead I have to advocate for the discontinuation of it’s use. My hands are kind of tied here.

              So I’ll keep reminding people, “Please don’t be an asshole if you can stop yourself.” And for the ones who either choose not to stop themselves, or gleefully continue to be assholes (like a troll, or the entitled prick who insists that since they don’t mean it “that way” everyone else should just accept that and understand it) I’ll do damage control. But even one less instance of damage control is a blessing.

    • tubaruco@lemm.ee
      3·
      2 years ago

      i guess the problem comes from the term instead of its meaning, even if that makes no sense

      • dev_null@lemmy.ml
        43·
        2 years ago

        It’s a fair deal, but the point is it’s not a donation. You can purchase pro features, and that’s great. But it’s not a donation if you get a product in return, that’s just a purchase.

        • conti473@thelemmy.club
          4·
          2 years ago

          You can use it for free, you just need to donate to get rid of the banner and to get all features.

          The bare functionality is in fact free

          • dev_null@lemmy.ml
            9·
            2 years ago

            I’m not disputing that. I’m just finding it silly to call purchases donations.

            • conti473@thelemmy.club
              1·
              2 years ago

              Not if it has all the essential features, it has no 3rd party ads, tracking and is a privacy focused mail client.

              I only bought i because i could test it for months and saw everything works and it being updated and well maintained, it’s kinda pricey for a mail client.

              There are for sure nagging experiences in other programs, Fairmail is not one of them.

    • Funkytom467@lemmy.world
      9·
      2 years ago

      Voicemeeter did that too.

      But honestly i don’t really see what’s wrong. There’s a base donation for the price of the software but it just give the option to support the dev if you want…

      I mean most things that rely on donation like that are just cheap indie software (I think voicemeeter was $5)

      I’d take that over the awful and greedy subscriptions that cost an arm like adobe or Microsoft.

    • TimeNaan@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 years ago

      Screenskraper but they have to pay server costs so it makes sense.

      OCCT for some fucking reason, where it doesn’t.

      • twei@discuss.tchncs.de
        3·
        2 years ago

        OCCT doesn’t require you to purchase it for personal use (although you will get a 10sec timer before you can start a benchmark/stability test), which is why i think it doesn’t count as “donationware”

  • Pantherina@feddit.de
    27·
    2 years ago

    You can literally donate 1ct. I have no idea how people can complain when developers want money for their work.

    The “Linux community” is 80% users that dont contribute, 10% “powerusers” that still dont contribute, 5% people that help with nondevelopment work (bug reporting, community support, etc.) and 5% actual developers.

    (Completely rough estimation)

    • iso@lemy.lolOP
      3·
      2 years ago

      I have no problem with “pay what you can”. I just hate “you must donate X amount to use this software”. If I need to donate, then it is not a donate. It is payment.

  • Jack@slrpnk.net
    12·
    2 years ago

    Where the fuck did you get this definition from?

    If I remember correctly vim is charityware and is entirely free, I only found out about the charity part on accident.

  • Lele@feddit.de
    12·
    2 years ago

    There is also software that you could compile from source yourself but the binaries are locked behind a donation. Are those also donationware?

  • Hundun@beehaw.org
    7·
    2 years ago

    Hey what if my software is paid, but you can purchase it for N money or more, with an input field?

    Because that I’ve seen a lot, and it sounds suspiciously like what you’re describing, yet completely normal.

    Edited for grammar

  • toastal@lemmy.mlEnglish
    3·
    2 years ago

    I dunno this lacks nuance… I think this could easily be referring to different economic situations. The concept of donation usually has this implication of not being a for-profit entity or for a indie developer’s side project. These kinds of apps usually are still either open source or source available which is different than closed, proprietary applications. With this focus on money, I would assume that “free” is meaning gratis where users can often be the product & while the source is not available …or some VC-funded product where they are loss-leading a free tier now just eventually charge everyone later which is hardly good, with a dash of open washing to taste.