“Under plans due to be announced later, universities in England will be forced to limit the number of students they recruit onto underperforming courses.”

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    The governments criteria for an underperforming course is one whose students don’t go on to earn enough money to pay the debt they accrue. Unfortunately the same government has said don’t go asking for pay rises because it will wreak the economy.

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      When you put it that way it starts to sound like the start of a conspiracy to dumb down the population which makes for more Tory voters…

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    Going to university is far more than getting a qualification. It’s part of enabling young people to develop as people intellectually and socially. This is something that the Tories don’t understand. They want to monetise everything. Including the interests and aspirations of people. Tories have wrecked primary and secondary education and now want to finish off post-compulsory learning. They really are below vermin.

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      There was a study done by Tory MPs in 2005 after a devastating defeat by Labour. One of the conclusions of the study was that people who were graduating were becoming less likely to vote Conservative. There is a tin foil hat conspiracy that reckons the Tories are actively destroying state schools and making it harder for working class to become educated. The study was titled direct democracy. an agenda for a new model party

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    Let me guess the arts are going to be considered unskilled jobs.

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        Depends whether the “starving artist” chooses this as a life and prioritises their art over material wealth. Many would. After a period when more people from poorer backgrounds could become artists, writers and performers, we’re seeing a return to a very narrow social class monopolising the arts. Just look at how many current well-known actors come from upper-class and privileged backgrounds.

        What we do need to be honest about is how the UK has allowed people working checkouts at supermarkets (and across most jobs really) to be paid so little that they may be “starving” and still live with parents.

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          The richness of all the pop movements that came in rapid succession from the 1950s to the 1980s or 1990s was because kids from any background could break into the scene and be heard. These days it’s mostly rich kids and music is poorer for it.

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        If the majority of music students work at Tesco but a small minority become The Beatles, I’d say its a well-performing degree. Culture isn’t about ruthless efficiency.

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        So studying music, which hardly ever pays well as a career, will be prohibited? Or literature or art or philosophy? There’s such a thing as a country’s cultural wealth as well as its financial wealth. If you prevent anyone from studying the arts you create a culturally impoverished, ignorant society. And it’s pretty revolting if only the wealthy have the opportunity to engage in the arts, while everyone else has to remain in ignorance and make them more money.

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    Does this mean nearly all arts degrees will be eliminated because the graduates don’t earn much money? What a sad stage of affairs. I didn’t realise the point of having an education is to make as much money as possible.

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    Does this just mean Tories cracking down on arts degrees because they don’t focus on skills that are about making money? The end result will be cultural impoverishment for the country - ignorance about art, literature and philosophy, and a scarcity of trained musicians, actors, etc. Tories won’t care because all they understand is money.

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    If you judge your degrees by how much people make after finishing, you’re going to have a bad time. And lots of MBA graduates.
    shudder

    Getting people qualified in things should be seen at a country level, and being able to support people reading subjects that don’t directly link to service is the sign of a prosperous country, imho.

    It’s become a bit chicken-and-egg, sadly. A degree-style course might not be the best way to teach a subject, but employers like the certification that you dedicated yourself for 2+years, so it has to be.
    And this seems to be one of the results of that.