The thing is, the “people” propping it up, are massive tech companies with collectively trillions of dollars to burn on this thing that is making their stock prices soar.

They have no incentive as the primary investors doing the circular buying to stop. The big problem here is the stock market provides awful incentives to everyone.

Lets not also forget that for a bunch of them, they want to completely replace lightning fast, simple UI with AI so they don’t need their own programmers, and your experience doing things is outright painful.

It commonly is, because it’s logical and they understand it. When will the criminally online leftists get that too?

The goal is not to have your balls tickled by politicians, it’s to do the best you can with what you have availible.

You aren’t eating the rich any time soon, so you vote for change in primaries, local and state politics, and fall in line for elections, senate races (where it’s too close).

Different for politicians etc who can’t afford to lose that outreach

For users, absolutely.

You do know that when you start insulting your opponent you’ve both lost the argument and shown your ass, right?

No, I don’t know that, because its something people without actual points in their favour bust out when they feel the other person has been too blunt.

In this case, the other person wishes to harm a significant amount of people. I owe them no apologies, and the only people showing their asses are the people treating significant, real life politics like a game and as if they were children flipping all the pieces off because they didn’t win.

Hopefully one day you’ll realize that you are the problem, that it is you carrying water for the right-wing party that together with the far-right-wing party have turned the good ole USA into a right-loving hellhole, slowly but surely over the last 50 years or so.

The thing about this child like understanding of this easy to understand system where only 2 parties will ever have a chance due to the math of it being a first past the post/winner takes all system, is that the very obvious only way to change said system without tremendous blood shed, is by slowly transitioning the party closest to your goals over time. Because this can’t be completed faster than a short on tiktok or youtube, you get enraged and think the whole system can never be fixed. Do you have a solution? Of course you don’t though. You’d instead have it get more broken, harming you and your causes more.

and lesser-evil voting fail to do anything.

This by itself is tremendously ignorant to the massive differences in policy between the 2 parties. All of this comment is filled with impotent irate ignorance.

I am supremely doubtful with all the infighting on the left with the literal child mentality “but they’re both bad!!!1!” bothsiders, and the “nothing ever happens” crowd who thinks things will magically just go back to normal that it will be the good outcome.

I mean we’ve seen a number of positives recently like

• Nancy Pelosi dying retiring (might as well be the same things for old crotcheties like herself)
• Dick Cheney dying (May god rest his soul… in hell… for all eternity)
• Prop 50 passing
• Mamdani winning with a higher percentage of votes than everyone else combined

But that’s just not enough.

They are in charge of all the institutions required for a fair or even approximately close to “”“fair”“” by old standards election and there are literally no means for recourse that aren’t just straight up violence, which despite the edgy people online’s messages, no one actually has the stomach for and is therefore just words used to procrastinate.

This is absurd and they all need to be removed from office for incompetence, then charged for all the crimes they have committed.

Why do yall keep saying things like this. It feels like there are dozens of people trapped in the thinking that somewhere some other grown ups will be the grown ups for them.

These are the people who have been picked and who have the power.

They won’t be arresting themselves, and they wont allow fair and free elections if no one forces the issue.

What gets me is that the bothsiders are still screeching about the situation they helped get everyone into.

Nuance, reality and pragmatism be damned.

Stop condescending me

No. You’re wilfully harmful takes actively deserve that as you seek to hurt unrelated people for the actions of people who will be completely insulated from your tantrum.

Kamala campaigning with Liz Cheney daughter of deceased war criminal Dick Cheney while utterly silencing Palestinian voices was what lost the US presidential election

Maybe the first part, but any people who protest voted over the Palestinians have the blood of the thousands more that have been killed on their hands as a direct result.

You cannot simply ignore the world just because its not the way you want it to be.

No, this is a tea party moment for the left, we don’t need the Democratic Party

The movement that ultimately still voted for republicans when the time came for the most part as it was incredibly small because anyone who understand math understands that in a winner takes all/first past the post system you can’t have more than 2 main parties?

they need us and they are still refusing to behave like they do.

No. You have it backwards. They’re fine with losing. You aren’t. You and people you must be pretending to care about get fucked when they lose. They know that, and so you aren’t making them stop and think, you’re just fucking yourself and others harder.

Not sure why you’ve replied it to my comment which already states there are dozens of cancers and therefore dozens of cures for the dozens of cancers

This is exactly why people with your perspective are destroying this country and keep losing elections to fascists

Its crazy you say shit like this when we both support progressiveness. “You are realistic and therefor bad”.

y’all refuse to believe reality and instead need to force a moral judgment on voters not giving your shit candidates votes automatically because “other side bad”.

They literally aren’t my preferred candidates. That was inherent to the statment that they were not preferred but you still should because not doing so is petulant tantrum throwing that hurts many, including yourself.

You badly want reality to just work the way you want it to work instead of the way it does, and would rather be delusional than face the facts.

You literally can’t logically justify your emotional and self harming behaviour and never stop to self reflect on why that is.

That is their choice, not mine.

100% your choice. Fortunately you are an (insane and child like) minority, but holy fuck do you not help.

I know I won’t change anyone’s mind.

So why are you spouting off about it? To what end?

What other species kills at the level humans do? The shear fact you mention our capabilities proves my point; we do horrible things when we have the capability to choose not to.

This could apply for so many things, but not testing for medical purposes. Thats you being irrationally idealistic past the point of stupidity.

These people are seriously delusional.

Like they are literally openly admitting that they acknowledge they’re willing to blow their legs off for a chance at offending the rich people at the DNC who will be insulated from all the results.

Its like a teenager who goes out doing dangerous behaviour to be rebellious against their parents.

No.

A candidate campaigns for MY vote.

This stupid shit will lose you the ability to vote, and fuck over millions of people not deserving the blunt end of said stupidity.

It’s been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.

Thats what happens.

The DNC knows that all they have to do is play “At least we’re not trump” and they’re happy enough.

You acting like a petulant child, as if somehow you’re really getting back the rich out of touch people is pants on head stupid. It’s you that loses the most. Actually no, its the marginalized people who lose the most, yet you sit there, pout, and fuck yourself and your fellow country while having a childish tantrum.

The Democratic establishment can prove they aren’t an obstacle to progress

They won’t, and you already know this, so you can either be mature and pragmatic by realizing this and voting as best aligns with your interests while trying to change the party over time as this is a 2 party winner takes all/first past the post style system, or you can act like a child, and self harm;throwing a tantrum whilst walking a tight rope.

me blindly voting for them is no longer a grace I automatically extend to a party hellbent on sabotaging progressives even if it means losing to literal fascists.

I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.

Just to be very clear, the DNC leadership is antagonistic to our (I assumed) shared goals.

The Democrats are obviously what needs to be supported in a 2 party system, so regardless of the DNC antics, the sacrifice for not choosing them will be more severe, and they know that.

I’m saying this all to say, absolutely support a progressive candidate if you can in the primaries, but when it comes election time, fall in line.

Also, there is a big problem where Mamdani is supremely clever and fast on his feet, having practiced every comeback a million times in the shower, ready to let them rip on command.

At the federal there is no one with that level of natural charisma or wit.

That’s something important to point out.

I’m not remotely entertained by shot like this and find it weird people are. It’s a weird sort of cope exactly like the meme is portraying. People are hurting everywhere because of the regime and you’re here laughing it up like we dun won it.

I hope Mamdani does well because he’s going to be under a magnifying glass and behund a wall of anti person propaganda.

Hell have to exceed what any mayor should have to be able to do and even then the media will call him mid.

This is not a cakewalk.

Yup, that sounds crazy AF.

Its a wonder you think you’ll convert anyone just by sounding batshit insane.

I’m human. You think I would think my own species matters less than a different one? No other species thinks differently, why would we feel any different, especially given our massively different capabilities thought wise?

Because I care about me more than any other animal.

If someone tried to kill you, would you just let them or not?

Any sane answer says you value you more than someone else.

Its crazy you find this opinion applied to animals to be offensive.

Dying vs using medicines that had any animal testing involved in their creation.

This wasn’t particularly complex, but maybe complex for someone with your take.

This is very important. Too many people think policies that help the middle class help them, and its like, bitch, you do not own a house. You are less than 3 months worth of paychecks away from being on the street. You are not middle class.

Most people aren’t middle class anymore.

When politicians say middle class, its almost always so they can appeal to rich people while phrasing it as applying to you.

You are working class.

Just about everyone here is working class.

Working class is the median class.