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It’s banning new sales. Not pre-existing cars. Besides, used BEV prices are coming down too with 6 year old cars just coming down below 10k€. That’s kinda important, as 2020 saw a big uptick in number of available models and cars sold.

So given that, why aren’t you asking for a beat* up ICE-car today for anyone that can’t afford one but needs one today?

And if you really need a car, you probably drive quite a bit and if so, you really should look at EVs anyways since the running costs are a good deal lower.

The negative reactions might be because your wording, to me, is a bit flame batey, as if this is a given negative.

As for non-EU manufacturer being able to invest in production equipment Europe might need if push come to shove on places not easily destroyed by the assumed enemy producing European designs? And in the process incentivise other countries to buy non-american equipment?

If a good chunk of the global military complex seems about to change supplier, I’d bet big on getting to be picked as the supplier of choice!

In a strictly economics/geopolitical view: It’s a loan program, so long term it is net positive on interest alone. If the money is used to procure eu-made equipment, as is implied, it will bring manufacturing to EU and finance European R&D as well (where not säl of it will be used in only military applications) Short term it might affect the speed of rearmament which would be bad in an armed conflict. On the other hand, a bigger market will allow bigger investments, which might add production capacity sooner, so it might not add as much time as feared.

In short, it seems to achieve what the tariffs what touted to accomplish without all the drama and negatives associated with tariffs.

Morally it depends on your opinion of a states right to defend itself.

This is Swedes, after all. Sweden started development on its system in the 1500s and has had plenty of time inveloping and complicating the system since. Heck, I’ve tried to get through the zoning process for 4 years now…

But I digress, there are those saying we will be able to fast pace building new nuclear as well, so clearly there are some severely delusional people here as well…

Err… Censored, or because it isn’t possible to deduce any information from it. It contains words and some of them are big words, the biggest words. And let me tell you I know some big words, but for the life of me, I can’t decipher much meaning from them.

Thanks. I’m saving that one for a rainy day when I need a pick-me-up.

Not to mention that the added shade will help with moisture retention, which is another part of the reason why it is possible to increase crop yield when adding solar to a field.

That’s the message I got from this. They’ve taken vaccines, now they go for lighter stuff. What’s next? Cancer treatments?

I would have thought15 hours/day for charging should be enough? What am I missing in this equation?

In the south of Sweden there is a big push for fast chargers for heavy transport, but the work is hampered by the limited power available south of Gävle. North of that though, power is plentifull, so that at least, isn’t an issue.

Aye. But I’m still happy those aren’t ICE-only. It still speaks of a shift and it adds up in volume. Ironically, the 2 leading nations are both oil producers.

China is at 50%+ BEV this year for new sales. That’s an eighth of the regrowth of fossil fuel this year, just in China. It will take some time, but it is happening.

What will happen on the fossil fuel market in Norway in five years? All of a sudden, the newest fossil fuel car is 6 years old. Where will they get fuel? Sure, in Oslo there will be some petrol stations to find yet. But what about in the scarcely populated half of Norway which is north of Trondheim? In an ironic twist, electricity will be the abundant, safe and available option. Ironic because that has been the argument against BEV for so many years. “Where will I find chargers up north?”.

In a few years, chargers will be everywhere. Petrol will be in the big cities only.

Setting aside ideologies and with a focus on what customers want.

That’s the problem right there. 2035 is not about what the customer wants, it’s about regulation. Customers would prefer not to change at all, but that’s not an option.

Well, unlike the customers that wouldn’t mind testing a totally new car manufacturer nobody has heard of that has been spawned from a cut throat market with little to no guarantee the manufacturer will still be in business next year. Except those people which are totally unimportant for anyone who wants to try something new in the market…

Aye, even Norway with EVs at 98%+ of new car registrations is at more than about 20% of total number of vehicles.

Having said that, I’m still glad that the EV share at the German market is increasing. And I do wonder how many read the title as anything other than “of new car sales market”

Fail the 2035 and see German autoindustry fail.

Hit the target and it still might.

So are their cows:p

Anyways, this is the second oil country going full electric. Speaks volumes!

For the 1% that are actually able to drive non-stop for more than 5 hours, its a downside. Anyone that normally travel with someone with less than perfect bladder control will find that extra stops for charging will not be necessary.

All the Swedish reactors had to close down simultaneously in the middle of winter creating the need to fire up the (oil fueled) reserves for 72 hours.

It probably is the same, as they share energy market. In both cases it is also because of lackluster transmission capacity to the rest of the continent, that shields Spain and Portugal from the German market. Sweden has plenty of transmission capacity, so we pay German prices in the south of Sweden.

As for “not using fossil fuel for electricity”, in 2022 the Swedish oil fired power reserve was used for 72 to stabilize the polish market, due to all nuclear reactors shutting down simultaneously. Yet Swedish electricity price is still tied to the cost of oil. That transmission capacity has its drawbacks…

We need to move to Huddiksvall. There seems to be a city where its possible😁 But come to think of it, it all takes place from “behind the meter”, so with a connection that allows for solar power, the utility should be none-the-wiser.

Interesting! I didn’t know there are cars in the market able to handle V2G in accordance with the standard. What brand is that? For any large organisation with lots of cars, like a community, flexibility services for a hundred cars or so would add up quickly.