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Putin has repeatedly said that Zelensky is illegitimate and would not negotiate with him. Guess who isn’t invited to this particular set of negotiations?
The US has opened negotiations in a strong position by giving one side everything they asked for, to the point that the Russians are trying to figure out what else they can get away with.
When Trump eventually concludes negations it’ll be every bit as hollow as Bush standing on an aircraft carrier with a mission accomplished banner behind him. Trump will demand a Noble prize, just like the one Obama got. Peace will not be achieved.
No, it’ll be worse. Trump will use this as a way to remove all sanctions from Russia. He will basically try to reinstate Putin as part of the world economy. After this war of aggression, after all this destruction and death, Trump wants to brush Putin off and put a Halo on it.
Fuck that orange shit stain.
Just wait until he starts selling F35s to Russia
It is not a negotiation if the partners making the deal is not included.
Trump just looking for what he can win from this. He does not care if the deal is fair.
That isn’t the point of these talks. Trump, has no ideology other than what makes Trump look good. I’m that vein, these talks will
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Get Trump a Nobel prize for ending an “intractable” war. Suck it Obama.
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Stop sending money outside the US. Trump as far as I can tell has never had any friends. He can’t figure out why you would help any one who is worse off you than yourself.
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Which brings me to the final point. Putin, is on paper the stronger person in this conflict. Trump doesn’t see character as a useful trait, which in this comparison completely negates what ever Ukraine and Zelensky bring to the table. I don’t think any one knows why he likes the man so much, but Trump clearly wants to ingratiate himself with him, so he’s bending over backwards to give him what he wants.
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Trump thinks he’s some sort of great negotiator. Putin is laughing the whole time.
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Don’t worry about economic alienation, they’re already doing that themselves.
It wasn’t even that long ago that the news was reporting on Russian troops massing on the border for a “training exercise”. How the fuck do people forget that Russia was undeniably the aggressor in this conflict?
Only Trump did I think.
The war dates before that. Since 2014 Russia had snipers in dombas.
Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qO42qjShg
If this is how Trump negotiates, I think we cash see why he been bankrupt so many times
his lack of ability to negotiate has been known for decades. The guy is a clown
Art of the deal … of losing.
Yeah, if someone came to me negotiating like that I’d commit to never doing business with them.
I wish more people had this philosophy. Way too many people gravitate to being doormats instead.
Mate, I’d pick him any day off the week. He can take dodgy loans and I’ll clean him out
This is basically the logic everyone in his government uses to justify being there. They all get chewed up and spat out sooner or later.
Like, I’d agree under certain very narrow circumstances, but Zelensky is not in any of those.
From the view of Putler, this episode of the war is ending, so that the next can start in a few years… Trump can’t plan more than 7 days ahead…
“The USA should have never attacked Pearl Harbor and Japan!”
Damn japan did nothing wrong? /j
Those ships exploding could really have been dangerous to those low flying planes overhead. Very inconsiderate from the US people. Typical.
Damned Poles and their radio stations.
1939 Gleiwitz. Schlesien.
It’s weird seeing memes that can be used by both the left and right with wildly different interpretations
Man I can’t remember the original meme/context to this one, can you help me out?
Thank you!
I wonder if things get bad enough, Ukraine would take a shot at Trump. Back to the wall and all.
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Nato expansion has always sounded dumb to me too. Nato is a defense pact, it doesn’t ever attack so there is nothing for Russia to defend against. And if some countries were to attack Russia, them being in Nato is irrelevant since the other members won’t help.
Russia is the only European country that violates others borders. Everyone else agreed that wars are dumb and joined a peaceful union called the ‘EU’ or at least has close ties with it. Now Russia of course could have joined the EU too, but Putin chose not to.
Nato is a defense pact, it doesn’t ever attack
NATO bombed Libya.
This argument doesn’t make sense. Even if you do accept that NATO is not purely defensive because of what happened in Libya, blaming NATO for Russia invading another country that isn’t in NATO makes as much sense as me blaming my brother John for the fact that my other brother Robert was beating his wife, and then violently taking it out on John.
And that’s ignoring the reason NATO is expanding. It expands when new countries decide they want to join it. And countries at present are wanting to join it because they feel threatened by Russia. The reason for its expansion is Russia’s aggression, so to turn back and blame NATO for Russia’s aggression is completely backwards.
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You don’t need to report the comment above. The user has been banned after reviewing other comments, but I left up the comment as context for the posts below disclaiming it.
Damn, post not even up 15 minutes before the first .ml Tankie Russian shit take rolled in
It’s almost like something is coordinating the both the White House and the .ml Russia shills.
[Insert Stethoscope theory image that I still haven’t saved]
It’s a definite improvement to horseshoe, but it does miss out on the fact that a lot of them are literally paid actors.
Putin started it in 2014 by annexing Crimea and violating Ukraine’s sovereignty. That Ukrainians decided to depose Yanukovych was none of Russia’s business.
Did Trump send Ukraine weapons that Obama and Biden withheld?
“The weapons that Ukraine used in the early days of this war to fend off the Russian invasion are the weapons that Donald Trump sent, that Barack Obama and Joe Biden had refused to send,” Cotton said.
Cotton spokesperson Patrick McCann told PolitiFact that Cotton was referring to Javelins, antiarmor missiles provided by the Trump administration. In 2014, Obama rejected a request by Ukraine for those weapons. Biden was Obama’s vice president.
Trump reversed Obama’s policy; in 2018, the Trump administration approved a plan to sell Ukraine Javelin missiles for $47 million.
“As you can see, it is clear that this form of lethal aid was both important and provided by the Trump administration and not the Obama-Biden one,” McCann said.
That’s from Tom Cotton, one of Trump’s fiercest advocates.
They were for the Ukraine War before they were against it. Pure shills for the MIC. They’re only running away from Ukraine now that the conflict has gone south and they can’t preen in front of a Mission Accomplished banner on this one.
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Speaking to those in the USA,
There is much more going on with the Ukraine / Russia war than what the media here told us. Most people make opinions about it, not even realizing that they aren’t informed enough about it to have an opinion.
Vague statement from you, what details are you going to give us?
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Not going to get into it now, but I’ve personally spoke with so many who have had opinions on it, and its clear they know very little about what has happened there over the past 10 years, and what has led up to the current situation.
It is more complicated, many people don’t know about the years before and the power struggles between oligarchs, riots, and assassination plots (it’s wild to me to just hire someone who has tried to kill you before). The media fails to give the proper context to put the events into perspective. However, Russia still invaded Ukraine without any reasonable justification, and this was an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.
Its not disingenuous, you just said yourself “many people don’t know about the years before and the power struggles between oligarchs, riots, and assassination plots…”
And yes I agree, the media fails to give context. I think that’s because they (mainstream news for example) are more interested in getting you to take a side, than they are just giving you the information.
How is saying “Ukraine started the war” not disingenuous?
Sorry, never mind. I misunderstood that part of your previous comment!
Oh it appears I did so too
Fuck Trump!
Trump…Just digging a foundation here for my mansion expansion plan that goes into your property! I don’t wanna start a war or anything, but I’ll just have a bunch of my guys with gun walking around in your property. I assumed that was OK…again, didn’t want to start a war. Just trying out our tanks around your town…again, not trying to start a war.
