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MSN messenger died for Skype
Skype died for Teams
We’re not on a great trajectory here
(Yes Lync too, but everyone was pleased about that)
What most people don’t know about the ouroboros is that every time the creature eats itself it becomes a little bit closer to being a turd (a consequence of its peculiar metabolism) so even though from an inside perspective the system appears to be in a complex mysterious cyclic kind of stasis, from the outside it is just more and more obviously a turd in the shape of a donut.
Is this real lore or is this meme
I am not sure I remember anymore, I have eaten my tail one too many times.
I don’t think this is a direct meaning of the metaphor, though any metaphor of endlessly repeating cycles can be placed in a rhetorical framework where it represents enshittification so I am sure I am not the first person to add or tweak the metaphor with that context.
Teams died for Teams (New)
Teams will die for Copilot somehow.
Teams
New Teams
Teams (New)
Teams with Copilot
Copilot Teams
You missed Teams 365
They can all coexist in your desktop, just like outlook
By “coexist” we mean being installed side by side with barely distinguishable icons, and when you try to log into the wrong one with the wrong type of Microsoft account (where the login mask looks exactly the same), it throws a helpful error message saying “this account does not exist”.
You forgot all the Bing Chats in between.
Teams dying doesn’t sound too bad either. Just hoping the next iteration isn’t even worse
Given M$'s track record, it definitely will be worse…
Next iteration will be “Copilot for Teams”.
Whenever you get a message, Copilot will auto-send an answer unless you click “no” in a popup without window decorations, showing a timer.
On Windows Pro, you can disable this with a registry key, but that resets with feature updates.You know, if copilot also joins morning meetings for you while you sleep, that’s a deal I’m willing to make
How long until it degenerates to a bunch of Copilots exchanging gibberish, and people forgetting there was ever a real meeting? :D
Seems like the natural progression of things
Next iteration will be MSN Messenger
And MSN was so much better.
Can imagine your boss nudging you? Lol
I don’t want to.
Did it die, though? Last time I had to use windows for work (shudder) the Teams app process name was lync.exe. Or was it Skype?
Either way, shit’s still around.
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Hey, RIM/Blackberry’s CEO went to mobile world Congress in 2010, 3 solid YEARS after the iPhone launched, was dominating and defining the smartphone world and said, “we feel touchscreen is not the future of mobile phones” and rolled out another hybrid touch/keyboard model like the 5 they already had
Blackberry was $150/share as of 2009 with the entire world in front of it. It’s now worth $3.59/share.
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Same. Colossal pain in the ass.
Get yourself a RIMjob and help bring them back
I’d happily have a phone half an inch thicker if it meant a folding or sliding physical keyboard for my large hands.
Blackberry and Nokia were so slow to react to the iPhone, it was painful to watch.
And then, to bring us full circle to OP, Microsoft made it’s strategic acquisition of Nokia long after they had squandered enviable market share to Apple and Google 😂 https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11766540/microsoft-nokia-acquisition-costs
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Intel thought the iPhone market was going to be too small so they didn’t agree to manufacture their CPUs
While also completely missing the boat on the potential of graphics cards and watching Nvidia and even AMD become massively more relevant in recent years.
Microsoft has 1 massive disadvantage when it tries to enter new markets.
It has to deal with brutal cutthroat competition from its worst enemy: Microsoft.
Ms internal politics destroy almost all its successes, their politics are why theyve never really been a threat, for every skype there’s a teams which cuts them off at the knees lest it cost a division head their chance at a promotion.
I personally blame stack ranking, invented by Jack Welch to justify cutting 20% of the company.
If you want to get mad, the Behind the Bastards episode on him explains why corporate America is what it is today.
I heard about that, some call it the “wasted decade” at MS. Top engineers refused to work together due to the stack ranking, not wanting draw the short end of the stick in the evaluations, when compared to each other.
A company I worked at 10 years ago also dabbled with it a bit, luckily not seriously. It was a consultancy firm who hired top graduates from prestige universities, so it made even less sense. Dude, nobody is average or below here, you hire the best people after grilling them in interviews and a whole day assessment center. The bell curve just doesn’t make sense
My company does it and it’s fucking stressful. And just like you said, it doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Occasionally there are certainly people who are just there to ride coat tails but I see this behavior more in leadership than in the front lines.
IMHO, the pandemic just allowed everyone to see how much better of an experience Zoom had over Skype.
I worked in an office where half of corporate used Skype, and the cooler sub-brands used Zoom. No one in the main corporate office was happy about using Skype. Microsoft had been neglecting it for quite some time.
Microsoft had been neglecting it for quite some time.
You’re right but that’s why they’re idiots 😄
Yeah, right before the pandemic it was becoming clear that Skype was in Keep The Lights On mode, and MS wanted to funnel all of those users into Teams. But Teams also sucked.
It’s a lot better than it used to be, but it still takes MS an ungodly amount of time to build basic features that have been in Slack / Zoom for a decade… and MS is one of the biggest companies in the world.
Did they really? Microsoft championed Teams and its pretty accepted in corporate environments today, especially if they are already on Microsoft.
Afaik, Skype for Business was merged into Teams. Skype for non-business consumers has been virtually dead for longer. The way I see it, Microsoft let go of the brand, the value of which is questionable in this decade. When they bought it, I remember the rumors saying it was because of its voice codec, which probably got used in everything from xbox live to teams in the end.Nobody uses Teams voluntarily. It’s always imposed by corporate.
Skype was the term for skyping. It’s like buying a social media that coined the term tweet and changing it’s name to a letter. Stupidest shit ever.
MS Teams did become the standard in a lot of places now
I have to use Teams for work and it is absolute dog shit.
I never said it wasn’t dogshit, but Microsoft did win the corporate messenger race
I couldn’t get my head round this at all. Everyone used Skype where I worked, and it seemed hugely popular. By the time COVID happened, I was in another job, and all of a sudden everyone was going mad about this Zoom program. I’d never heard of it, but it just came out of nowhere and everyone on the planet was using it. How on earth Skype fumbled it so hard is absolutely staggering.
Skype didn’t fumble it, Microsoft just doesn’t know how to strategy. When they bought Skype, they killed MSN and told people to move to Skype, whereas they should’ve integrated the two to make the transition seamless. Then they had both Teams and Skype for Business at the same time by the time COVID happened.
They messed up on every turn.
skype was way ahead of his time. The quality was top notch. MS fucked by changing the architecture from decentralized to centralized in windows servers - this fucked up the calls quality and it created an opportunity window for whatsapp, viber, etc…
MS turned skype to shit.
I’ll never get over MSN Messenger
For video calls that was really bad compared to skype.
Unfortunately everybody was using it (i had to do it because everybody was using it).
Welk Yeah, it wasn’t for video calls, it was for messages full of emoticons :)
And the nudge!
Story of the Microsoft…
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My company decided we don’t need phones and makes us use Teams for calls. Every day I think about murdering the person who made that decision.
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My company used to have Slack and forced this abomination upon us. At least now I can plausibly pretend not to have seen people’s messages.
It was dead to me after microsoft bought it.
It really went downhill from them on.
Skype was only good while it still had a native Linux version.
And as a follow up, Teams was never good because it was never native to anything (instead it was Electron and is now some sort of React/Edge homebrew).
On one hand, having been forced to use Skype, I’m happy to see it gone. On the other hand, they somehow made it worse and called it Teams.
Truthfully I loved Skype until Microsoft bought it.
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I fell out of contact with a lot of people when they shuttered MSN messenger for Skype, so not sad to see it go.
MSN Messenger was brilliant. At the time I used it, everyone I knew used it. It was the go-to for communication.
I remember the “old” Skype, which was essential for keeping in touch with my siblings before we got cell phones. Once I got a phone, it was the end of Skype until ~2014 when I got a job where Skype for business was available. I still didn’t use it because that application would sometimes crash if you just jiggled the mouse. It became a running joke at my workplace.
Clock into work, Skype crashed.
Go to lunch, Skype crashed.
Ran out of TP at home. You guessed it. Skype crashed.
I want to put Skype’s corpse on a banner and wave it around to all the software that’s currently undergoing enshittification.
Somebody send a gift basket to the Skype CEO, he’s not doing so well.
I see Brennan, I upvote. Love the guy, his DnD campaigns are a blast!
It’s sad… Skype saved my butt when I was stuck in Peru and needed to call for help in my home country. I had found out 1-800 lines didn’t use call credits
I find it funny Microsoft gave me a survey on my work PC asking about how I’m enjoying its products (I laughed in Linux, “how do you like windows customizablity” let me go off about KDE lol)
But back to the subject. Literally everything they work on seems to turn to shit — I wonder what kind of survey feedback are they usually getting? “Oh, Skypes cool but I really like Teams”
Story of the times, have a good thing then break it so you can replace it with a shitier thing. Then have the competition eat your lunch by making a slightly less shitty thing.
I found my physical “skipe” phone last week, dang it we could have had a bad bitch. But no, now we have fucking teams.
