• Wilco@lemm.eeEnglish
    186·
    9 months ago

    Spoiler: They do need a warrant.

    Also “you are tresspassed” is a magical phrase that turns ICE agents into criminals and armed ICE agents into armed criminals that you can pull a weapon on.

    • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
      132·
      9 months ago

      Funnily enough the “second amendment” crowd has been completely silent about all this shit. But people really have to use those stand your ground laws.

        • Septimaeus@infosec.pub
          7·
          9 months ago

          I saw that headline a few days ago. Was that all it took to make you give up on humanity? Trying to understand.

            • Septimaeus@infosec.pub
              5·
              9 months ago

              Understood. It’s a shame to lose you at the start of the fight, but get what you need to hang on and recover.

              One strategy I’ve found helpful is taking little breaks from political news and spending time with those around you. It’s been a good antidote for the despair of the news cycle.

              And if you need someone to talk to I’m here.

                • Septimaeus@infosec.pub
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  Sorry for delay. Had to take care of a few things offline.

                  step back from social media

                  That’s pretty huge. Everyone I’ve known who did that said it improved their life and mental health in lots of ways, and the harder their exit the more enthusiastic they were. Tried it myself back in 2012, and stuff probably wasn’t even as bad back then, but deleting google facebook twitter snap etc really did help me build better relationships and enjoy life more. I still text/chat people and use some forums like lemmy but never have to worry about an algorithm trying to fuck with my head lol

                  daughter mobile softball turret

                  That is wonderful! While I don’t have kids, I know the feeling of helping young people discover things they’re good at and it’s deeply gratifying. Really cool that you’re there to practice with her too. Having a parent who’s there isn’t a given yet helps so much with basically everything.

                  3/10 strikes 5/10 swing

                  From what I understand of baseball rules, that would mean like 8/10 over the plate or close enough for the hitter to attempt? 80% success sounds damn good for a new player. Is it possible she has some natural athleticism and/or hand-eye coordination?

                  learning together

                  Ditto re: softball knowledge; could only guess where to begin. Did see a few rounds of a softball game at a pub once and noticed the pitcher would deliberately bounce the ball, which I thought wasn’t a thing in regular baseball. Is this something pitchers in her league practice, like a type of pitch?

                • reptar@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  9 months ago

                  Sounds like you know where to seek respite!

                  I bet the summer weather will be welcomed by you and yours, yeah?

              • DontMakeMoreBabies@piefed.socialBannedEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                Our species is trash - it has nothing to do with the news cycle. There are just too many fucking stupid people that are being allowed to shit out legions of children.

                I sincerely wish there was a virus that killed people who were “too dumb.” It’d be much more peaceful…

                #ThanosWasOntoSomething

                • Septimaeus@infosec.pub
                  9·
                  9 months ago

                  #HeWasntAndYouKnowIt

                  The solution to ignorance is knowledge, not eugenics. Also get your ass into therapy before hate consumes you.

      • BetaBlake@lemmy.world
        18·
        9 months ago

        Most of the second amendment crowd have a “daddy” fetish and want to be ruled by a strongman figure. Mostly cuckish cowards

        • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          7·
          9 months ago

          That and the 2a isn’t necessary for resistance. Been done in places without it obviously.

          And yes, seems most of them seem quite happy with the current situation. Funny that.

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
            6·
            9 months ago

            Yep. The common myth is that 2A is for defence against tyranny, but it’s clearly about having people armed and trained to be ready to fight if they’re needed against an invading nation. That’s what the military was in the day: militias, not standing armies.

            2A is broken and shouldn’t apply to the modern day, but that doesn’t really matter. It doesn’t matter why we are allowed to have weapons, just that we are and we should defend against those trying to intrude on the rights of others.

    • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comBannedEnglish
      10·
      9 months ago

      Yeah but in this county that i reside in only law enforcement can trespass someone.

      And they likely won’t.

      • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
        36·
        9 months ago

        Only law enforcement can enforce the trespass. But you are trespassed when informed by a person with authority over the property that your presence is not welcome there. If they fail to leave, you can follow up in the courts.

      • Wilco@lemm.eeEnglish
        9·
        9 months ago

        Hmm, I would check your local law. That is not how it generally works. If someone is on your property and you tell them to leave and that they are trespassed, then they have to leave. Failure to leave is almost always a crime in progress.

  • muusemuuse@lemm.eeEnglish
    103·
    9 months ago

    At some point, someone is going to fire the first shot. Then it’s open season on ICE agents. And you know what? I’m okay with that.

    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
      71·
      9 months ago

      I do wonder how all the “violence is never the answer” folks will go if it comes to that. I think a lot of them would side with ICE, sadly.

      Personally, I won’t be upset if a would-be nazi meets an abrupt end to their career.

        • Agent641@lemmy.world
          3·
          9 months ago

          The colonies didn’t resort to violence when unfairly taxed, they just offered a tea party.

        • Mikelle@lemmy.wtf
          2·
          9 months ago

          Ooops. Sounds like you accidentally picked up a Texas MAGA “history” book? Or maybe one covering the 18th century or before?

          • superkret@feddit.org
            8·
            9 months ago

            Read some news.
            Countries simply taking land they want, killing millions, and getting away with it is still a thing.

      • Dogiedog64@lemmy.world
        36·
        9 months ago

        You’re absolutely right with thinking they’ll stick with ICE. People who value Status Quo over all else (“it hurts my head thinking about the world changing, why can’t everything just stay the same???”) always have and always will capitulate to Fascist regimes, because it removes the need for critical thought and the obligation to stand for anything. Moderates will be the death of us if we let them.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
        19·
        9 months ago

        “Violence is never the answer” types are just controlled opposition. Any and every peaceful protest that doesn’t have the risk of escalating to violence can and is just ignored. Did those anti war protests against Bush II’s wars ever amount to anything?

        • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
          5·
          9 months ago

          I’m inclined to agree. Unfortunately, a lot of moderators on lemmy and other sites have a very strong “no calls for violence” stance.

              • bampop@lemmy.world
                5·
                9 months ago

                If you’re inciting violent civil insurgency, you’re a criminal in the present. If successful, you may be accepted, even celebrated, retrospectively. It’s not a question of right or wrong, but of who is currently in power.

          • muusemuuse@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            9 months ago

            Let me be clear to any moderators here: I am not telling people to get an ICE agent pelt. I am simply predicting it will happen and choosing not to be upset about it.

    • Lenny@lemmy.zip
      20·
      9 months ago

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  • i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
    73·
    9 months ago

    From the set up, I’d have expected the agents to have unleashed whatever was in that manila folder. You’d think it was important if it was one of the only things they brought in.

    Now I’m thinking it was less ICE agents carrying a warrant and more “militia leader bought a pack of folders at Staples” and told his racist minions a folder will get you through doors like wearing hi-vis or a ladder will.

  • CocaineShrimp@lemm.eeEnglish
    65·
    9 months ago

    I don’t think legitimate ICE agents would have backed down. Sounds like an attempted kidnapping…

    • obsidianfoxxy7870English
      67·
      9 months ago

      That’s the problem when they never or rarely properly identify themselves. You can never truly know if they are to be believed.

    • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
      59·
      9 months ago

      They more than likely were with ICE. The agency has massively and rapidly expanded its enforcement personnel, and has done so in a haphazard way that has (deliberately) not given them an opportunity to properly train personnel up on procedures and rules and stuff. Nobody who wants to do good in the world is going to work for ICE right now. So, they’ve basically just done a presto gestapo, and a lot of times these guys really are just out there doing the sloppiest, shittiest, and most bully-like law enforcement you could possibly conceive of. I know where I’m posting this, I know what we all generally think of cops here, the current state of ice is about ten rungs down from that. We’re talking real amateur hour shit, and they’ll get away with it if people let them.

      The good news is that apparently none of these fucking jokers seem to know or care how to cross t’s and dot i’s. You absolutely can send them packing, just like these folks did, and if they don’t leave, then call your local sheriff’s office or police dept. This is really dependent on your area, metro PD tend to be stocked full of major league assholes, but my local PD is actually pretty chill and has a good working relationship with the community; in my experience, sheriff’s deputies tend to be people who got into law enforcement because they’re true believers in the ideals of law enforcement (protecting life and property, accountability, etc) and constitutional justice, not because they want to flex on minorities. YMMV.

      But if you think you can trust one of your local law enforcement agencies, absolutely call up 911 and tell them that you’ve got some people here that are trespassing (they’ve been told to leave and aren’t), seem to be impersonating law enforcement (since they won’t provide proof of ID), and you’re worried that they’re trying to kidnap someone, that you think these people are an imminent threat to your life or someone else’s. That’ll generally get the cops out there in a hurry, and they will likely be not very happy at all that ICE is out here putting on a fucking circus. That, or the agents will hear you and fucking split so that they don’t get clowned on by local law enforcement. There have been plenty of instances of federal agents getting arrested while fucking around; mind you, they’re almost never charged, but nobody walks away from that particularly happy.

        • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
          25·
          9 months ago

          Sound advice. I know that after a bunch of locals voiced concern about it, our chief said that they are absolutely not working with ICE, and their duty is to serving the whole community first and foremost.

      • PolarKraken@sh.itjust.works
        12·
        9 months ago

        Great advice. And anyone in authority at a place of employment that might be targeted should know exactly how they intend to respond, meaning they must plan for it. As soon as the thugs make themselves known, execute the plan - get one person on 911 doing what you said, while another confronts them directly to try to force them to leave.

        I wonder if there are any resources giving concrete advice on what to do in these scenarios? Kind of like how we have great standard advice from various law professionals, etc., about what to do and not do when detained by police.

        Edit to add: even if you expect the local PD to come down against your side, it’s probably still a good idea to call them in. The resulting time and chaos as they get things sorted out may be just enough to do something useful for the vulnerable person needing help. Remember, once that person is in the custody of the gestapo, it’s fucking over, their life is wrecked at best. See only what happened to Kilmar Abrego Garcia for proof.

        • grysbok@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          7·
          9 months ago

          That’s one thing my campus has done decently–I know that to do if ICE shows up.

          1. they’re not allowed to just walk in to non-public areas
          2. we call campus police (whose main jobs seems to be keeping students safe and keeping campus out of the news). Annoyingly, I work in a public building (the library) but my office is private, big, and has a lock on the door. I’m well stocked up in case of a shelter-in-place situation and I’m happy to wait until campus police shows up.
            • grysbok@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              7·
              9 months ago

              Thanks. It helps that I’m white enough I glow in the dark. My big worry is that many of my students might be first- and second-generation immigrants from south of the USA and I don’t want them to have to deal with this bullshit.

              (I say “might be” because I don’t know anyone’s immigration status and even if I did no I don’t.)

        • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          I think we will need a phone app that modifies the emergency function:

          1: When the police are called, the recording function turns on. 2: The ACLU/legal services of choice are given the recording, live, without interfering with the current call. 3: ICE Spotting apps are given your current location, as are designated people in your contact list.

          In effect, this allows you to uphold your legal rights, since ICE would likely break your phone when they begin trafficking people, which may include you. Plus, people in the area might be alerted to the presence of ICE, and begin gathering. We should use the bee’s approach and swarm the bastards. Heat is the great weakness of ICE and bullies alike.

          • PolarKraken@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            9 months ago

            This is a fantastic idea. To be clear, anyone working on such a thing will almost certainly gain the administration’s attention, which of course is extremely dangerous. But yes, this should exist!

  • NoMadLadNZ@lemmy.nzEnglish
    62·
    9 months ago

    This is how the brownshirts operated. Just thugs, power trippin’, and attracting the absolute worst people who WANT to wear balaclavas and have the excuse to be intimidating assholes and have the power to bundle people into vans (or railcars).

  • _core@sh.itjust.works
    50·
    9 months ago

    What are the odds it was a couple magats pretending to be ICE to fuck with immigrants or people the think are immigrants.

    • TheFriar@lemm.ee
      28·
      9 months ago

      Depressingly high.

      But also…depressingly low. The fact that they couldve been actual govt officials behaving this way is…worse?

    • Yardy Sardley@lemmy.ca
      12·
      9 months ago

      Odds are pretty damn good, I’d say.

      Still, it’s a distinction barely worth making. Garden varity pigs doing this shit are equally as unjust as brand name Pigs doing it.

    • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
      5·
      9 months ago

      It is exactly the same power that Trump uses: the willingness to assert yourself. We need more people to not comply, especially in advance.

  • Hikuro-93@lemmy.worldEnglish
    38·
    9 months ago

    So how long until real criminals start following suit and impersonating undercover ICE agents? Not like there’s much distinction between either “career” now, is there?

    And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~