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ah yes, why teach kids to use them responsibly when you can just ban them? that always works great
I feel like “using them responsibly” includes not using them in class
Can you teach someone to use heroin responsibly? I get what you mean but these devices are addicting af and disrupt focus.
How you use the device is what matters. I use my smartphone to read books for example, and on YouTube I watch a lot of informative content.
What’s addictive is the pre-installed social media apps on our smartphones, that is what needs to be regulated.
Wow, you sound much smarter and seem to have so much more self control than all of those dumb people getting addicted to their phones.
The problem is that at the moment the education ministries of EU member states can not regulate social media apps. We just had the identical discussion in Austria. They need to ban smartphone use in schools at the moment, because it’s the only legal route to get those teenagers away from social media during school hours.
but phone is not comparable to heroin. gaming or social media could be addicting. if sugar is addicting, do we ban shops? because shops sell sugary stuff (similar to phone providing the addictive thing)
We actually sorta tax sugary drinks, yeah.
When we identify something as addictive enough to be problematic, the government finds a suitable way to interrupt, slow, or even ban it, depending on what people are receptive to.
This is normal.
so tax social media and gaming, not the shop
Again, some countries do stuff like that. They put regulations on what addictive content games can have, like loot boxes. China has attempted to restrict how many hours citizens can play games (though there’s a lot of resistance to it).
Social media is even trickier because it’s so vaguely defined, and doesn’t involve payment to begin with. What’s the concept - “Please pay a 5c tax to view one page of posts”? Even so, government committees have taken social media companies to task for their algorithms promoting divisive content before.
What a deceitful comparison. Like it or not no one is living without a smartphone these days. Heroin is entirely optional.
Are you a child/young teen with a completely different brain structure than a mature adult? Do you have already have the media literacy needed to navigate disinfo and toxic content online?
Kids really are a different species, but have predictable development. For every kid that’s responsible enough to have unrestricted device access there’s 50 more who just aren’t mature enough yet. There’s a limit to how much you can coach responsibility into them
Do you have already have the media literacy needed to navigate disinfo and toxic content online?
I think you get that by navigating disinfo and toxic content online, not by aging or going to school. Look at all the adults who believe everything they see online.
Personally I’m conflicted about using phones in class. Most kids shouldn’t. But there’s a rare type, kids like me. I was intelligent (for high school, anyway - I make no claims about being more intelligent than average as an adult lol), social and have ADHD. I went through the textbooks for the quarter in the first week and then it was either hill climb racing and temple run, or chatting to my classmates who needed to pay attention more than I did.
Very good. The Netherlands has been doing this too.
Some US states and local school boards are doing this as well. I believe South Carolina has a law like this going into the upcoming term in August. Students will be allowed to bring devices, but they must be stored during class. One school district is using these little pouches with magnetic locks to which the teachers and admin have the key… so students can keep their devices on their person, but would be unable to access them.
Sadly, one of the more relevant (and understandable) arguments against this trend is parents concerns about being about to get in touch with their child in the event of a school shooting. In active shooter events and lockdowns, many school systems and local governments have been slow to inform parents of the situation… this exacerbates concerns where parents (again, understandably) want to be able to get in touch with their child.
Us Americans live in a hell scape of tragedy and senseless death.
Finland stop being the best Nordic country challenge [Impossible].
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Brazil is also doing this. My wife is a teacher and said that the kids are much less agitated and anxious this year.
