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Fair enough.
The Americans are going to walk up on the street and randomly engage them in conversation
Norwegians when americans just come up and say “How are you?” and they don’t really want to know in detail how we are but just want to be polite:
Not the Northern most Americans. They already understand how impactful a small hand wave is.
A hand wave? I’ve been a New Englander all my life. You get a quick glance and half grimace smile if you’re lucky. And that’s pretty much only if we accidentally make eye contact
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I’m really not enjoying the popcorn anymore, though.
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So I’m functionally invisible if I go there? Tempting
So you either successfully do crimes because you’re invisible, or you successfully get put in a Norwegian prison. I’m gonna go check plane ticket prices.
There is 100% a strong culture for minding your own business and not bothering anyone here. By that I mean that approaching someone without having a good reason to do so is very much frowned upon. That doesn’t mean we’re anti-social or complete strangers to small-talk, but there are some rather subtle social cues governing when it’s appropriate to approach someone, and if you just mind your own business and don’t give any indication that you want to chat, there’s a high probability that no one will approach you or talk to you.
Except almost everything they see on the screen is Americans
I was about to make a joke about flying over to Norway and causing issues, but I don’t want to be a jerk.
Could someone in Norway frame me and have me extradited, please?
Unfortunately you’re not the first person to have that thought. And from what little bit of research I did into it it seems that they would much rather just spend the money to buy you a plane ticket and send you home.
Makes sense. I wouldn’t want me around either.
hmm, I wonder why that other country doesn’t do that…
Based on a quick search you could go for one of the stricter non-felony crimes and try to get a short stay. But I’m guessing you would have more sucess asking for asylum based on the border issues in the US these days.
Although there were references to a court statement from a few decades ago, about a not extraditing someone to a US prison because it might be a human rights violation. Which could potentially be brought up again these days with the current situation.
I believe that was due to the US still using the death penalty.
But american prisons generate more profit for the private sector. So who can really say which system is better?
The one with the least amount of repeat offenders.
Why would a for-profit business not want repeat customers?
For-profit prison inmates are more like slaves than customers.
Excellent point, slave labour can be another revenue stream
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How are they the product? Okay, apparently some american prisons make you pay for the privilege of being in a cage, but I believe that using ‘forced labor’ (euphemism for slavery) is their main source of $$$.
Also most prisons the world over are not for profit businesses.
…and the home of the brave!
Play ball!
The Norwegian justice system is far too lenient. In Norway you can get convicted of murder and be out in just five years and plus those prisons are very expensive to maintain and they all come that the taxpayers expense.
Give me an example of which country has a better prison system.
I would say Russia or maybe Theiland. Those countries really punish criminals so you wouldn’t want to be seen dead doing something illegal in those countries.
Being in prison sucks though. No matter what. I mean Norwegian prisons are very clean and remarkably comfortable, and Japanese prisons have top notch food (freshly cooked and with fresh ingredients). But I would rather not have the choking lack of freedom in any of them.
I’m sure there’s a starving person in poverty that would disagree. Terrible thought but desperation is common in the working class.
stories of people robbing a bank for $1 to get into prison for medical care comes to mind
For many people, being imprisoned in one of these places would grant them a lot more freedom than they currently have.
If you are safe from the prisoners and guards, get clean accommodations, are well fed, get outside/gym time for fitness, medical care, time to learn a vocation or study, occasional entertainment time (tv or whatever)… the only thing missing is a romantic partner… honestly, it sounds as good as an all inclusive retreat/vacation.
I imagine not having control over your own life for years at a time would wear one down. But months? If I knew my outside people weren’t suffering because of my actions, it sounds kind of nice.
But I’m an introvert that works from home, so, I’d miss my pets.
find a pet friendly prison. dont let your dreams stay dreams!
Dude, it is still a prison. Saying ‘yeah I could use a highly regimented living space for a while’ is one thing. But a prison is still something else.
Workhouses in Victorian England were very harsh places, sometimes even harsher than the prisons of the time… but they were not prisons. If a workhouse inmate wanted to leave, they could up and go at any moment without anyone stopping them. Because it was not a prison.
The thing is, any country that takes care of their prisoners this well also takes care of their own homeless population. If Norway treats its prisoners this well, imagine what their homeless shelters are like.
There are norwegian prison communities where they can do pretty much anything you could so in a normal community. There are like 5 guards for the entire community.
Wasn’t it Sweden that forgot to lock the prisoners up so they went and baked cakes?
Pretty much this. According to Varg Vikernes Norwegian prisons are mostly filled with crazy people.
The shame of the Norwegian criminal justice system is not in how they treat their prisoners but in who they haven’t gotten around to imprisoning. White Wing nationalism absolutely tearing that country to shreds.
…you would want to ban an opposing political opinions? Really? You know that cunts like Viktor Orban and Donald Trump only ever can get elected via the absolute and complete failure of the opposition?
Where did I write that I want a compromise? I want jackasses to be able to go out and embarrass themselves
Except that people look at that embarrassment and say “he’s just like me!” and then vote for them
They should have the right to vote however they wish?
Are you saying the issue is not that say in America that the dems refuse to hold primaries and their neoliberal policies disgust the general public, its that folks have freedom of speech?
I mean, I do think that hate speech and extremism such as white supremacism should not be allowed, yes. They do not act in good faith, why should we extend our good faith to them?
But besides, that is slightly beside the point I was making. What I was trying to point out is that they do not embarrass themselves to the target demographic
And if you don’t realize that you are being embarrassing then you are not being one? Huh… Majority of my childhood saved!
And the banning things… Do you think that a large majority of the polulus in agreement of it? If so, then there is no need for a ban as it is viewed as socially unacceptable as it is. But if its not? How could that ever be enforced?
And when you ban that you get Trump. Enjoy!
Oh fuck completely off. Some people don’t get platforms.
By platform you mean air or what?
You’re either a troll or a moron.
If you can copy into your response where anyone above or even under me talked about platforms then I will call myself a moron!
This is the second time I reread everything, we are not talking about facebook&twitter&… moderation; we were still talking about freedom of speech!
Are they?
I live here, and can’t say we have such a huge problem with them.
They exist sure, but more in a “their batk is louder than their bite” sort of way, with the exception of ABB, but he is in prison so…
Are they?
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2024/11/12/conservative-wave-rolls-over-norway/
Most startling is another new poll, conducted by research firm Ipsos for state broadcaster NRK, that showed how 47 percent of Norwegian men aged 18-29 said they would have voted for Trump if they’d had voting rights in the US. Among them is Herman Winther, a 23-year-old philosophy student at the University of Oslo who didn’t like Trump at all in 2016 but now sees value in what he described to Aftenposten this week as “conservative realism.”
18-29 year olds being populist is most certainly not tearing the country to shreds.
The latest polls have AP back on top. Currently, neither centre right or centre left have a clear win.
We’ll see what happens come September
18-29 year olds being populist
Jesus. Imagine reading what I posted and reaching this conclusion.
Great comeback when being called out on spreading horseshit, mate.
Please read up on the current state of Norwegian politics before sharing any more of your interesting “knowledge”.
We don’t. He’s full of shit.
The right (FRP) is on a hard decline atm, allmost back behind Høyre. People tend to think a bit more before voting than when answering a random questionaire.
Mainly because Norwegians are pretty tall
A gilded cage is still a cage. I’d rather work and pay rent and live in a modest apartment than be imprisoned in a luxury hotel that I’m not allowed to leave. Prisoners in Halden prison don’t get to set their own schedule, don’t get to quit being a prisoner and move across the country, don’t get to code with whom they live and associate.
Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave. Or even just a bus ticket across the country to live somewhere else.
Or how about taking your girlfriend/boyfriend out on a date to a nice restaurant? Or rent a cabin in the woods for a weekend and just relax? Or go out to the bar for a few beers with a friend? Or volunteer to spend time with some elderly folks at a nursing home!
Being in prison sucks, no matter how much they dress it up. The vast majority of things you might do are closed off to you just because you can’t leave. Every single one of those prisoners knows they’re being punished. Every single one of them counts the days until their release.
Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave.
If you make minimum wage in the city I live in you either live with your parents, have multiple roomates, or live on the street.
Right, but you don’t have to live in that city. You have the choice to move somewhere else! Prisoners don’t have that choice.
I don’t because I make well above minimum wage but you’re making uprooting your life and moving sound easier than it. It costs thousands of dollars to move to a new city, even more if you don’t have friends or family to stay with until you get established. Good luck setting that much aside when you’re barely surviving.
I’m not saying it’s easy! I’m saying it’s possible.
Having family and family obligations is still your choice. Many people walk away from all that because it’s unbearable to them. A prisoner doesn’t have that option: they’re stuck with whoever their cellmates are, no matter what.
I honestly don’t get all these people downvoting the general sentiment that a prisoner is, in fact, imprisoned. A free person on the other hand, is not.
No one here is denying that being poor or homeless makes it extremely hard to really do anything, that’s not the point. The point is that no matter how poor or homeless a person is, they still retain the freedom of choice regarding what to do when they wake up the next morning.
you sound like you have never lived in true poverty
Is that the poverty only experienced by a true Scotsman?
I’ve never had to live on the street, if that’s what you’re asking. I was raised by a single father. We had as many as 4 roommates at various times, including alcoholics and drug addicts. I’ve had to call the police on some of them. I’ve had to stay at my grandparents’ while my dad drove across the country as a salesman just to pay the bills.
I dropped out of high school at age 16 and only managed to go back and finish in my 30s. I got into university and graduated with a degree, thanks to generous government loans and grants. Now I got my first job post-graduation working in a mail room at age 41.
Was my life easy? No. But I wasn’t living in a slum in central Africa drinking contaminated water and suffering from Guinea worm disease. I think anyone in North America who grew up in a working class home is a long, long way from that kind of poverty.
Why didn’t your father simply move then? What I was trying to say is that being poor isn’t as easy and free as you make it sound. I couldn’t visit any nice place ever when I was at my lowest. In fact I remember being rammed to the ground by police because I couldn’t buy a tram ticket to school and took it illegally anyway. Most days there was nothing I could do other then sit in my flat, sometimes without power or warm water. Eventually I was days away from ending up on the street. I would have welcomed a Norwegian prison cell with open arms and i think your comment downplays the horrors of absolute poverty. Especially considering that in a lot of these fancy prison countries you are actually allowed to leave prison during the day, because they are about reintegration rather then punishment.
My dad moved a lot actually. He lived all over the country. He moved to be close to his parents (my grandparents) who helped raise me.
I’m sorry you experienced the hardships you did. Are you saying you’d rather do a 10 year prison sentence in Norway instead of the poverty you experienced on the street? That’s pretty unfathomable to me.
Anyway, I never said anything about it being “free and easy.” Life is hard. But being in prison is neither free nor easy, even in a fancy Norwegian prison.
Yea I would have rather been in prison. There is food and medical care in prison. Poverty kills. I was also lucky enough to have an awesome grandmother to prevent the worse :). Also I want to say that I would never start a ‘who has it worse’ competition, but I thought my experience could be valuable to my point. I’m glad that you made it out and are doing good now, cheers.
Moving is expensive. If you barely scrape by, this id not an option for the vast majority of these people.
A good example is to see what Varg Vikernes were doing while in prison:
Burzum remained as a solo project until 1994, when Vikernes was arrested for the murder of Euronymous and the burnings of several churches in Norway. […] While imprisoned, Vikernes managed to record two other albums in a dark ambient style. They were released as Dauði Baldrs (1997) and Hliðskjálf (1999). Both of these albums were created with a synthesizer, as Vikernes was prohibited from using any other instruments in prison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzum#Imprisonment_(1993–2009)
The mass murdering child killer Breivik sued the government because he was only offered a Playstation 2, not the Playstation 3. And did not enjoy the pets he was allowed. 🤷
That’s the guy who shot up the teen summer camp island? They let him have a PS2?
Everyone loves to talk about Norwegian welfare as the pinnacle of social policy while conveniently forgetting that it’s a tiny country of 5.5 million people backed by a trillion dollars of oil money from the state.
Edit: I love how everyone glosses over the population size as if it has nothing to do with policy making and the politically stagnant environment of the US.
- Healthcare $200
- Data $150
- Infrastructure $800
- Military industrial complex $3,600,000,000
- Culture war $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my country is dying-
Military industrial complex $3,600,000,000
There’s a whole lot of corruption packed into this number.
Seventh Audit Failed.
That MIC budget is too small by at least 2 zeros if not 3
And as we all know, the US doesn’t have any oil itself!
No, but, the oil fund isn’t really used. For reference, the first withdrawal in history was in 2016. The prison system is far older than that
It’s also comparably equal.
If US wealth was equally distributed, every person would own about 450.000$
That would make like 20 people lose a lot of money.
Oh no… god forgive us for wishing such horrible and wretched things upon your wealthiest mistakes…
yay
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Sweden and Denmark are very similar. You don’t need oil/gas to make it possible
Someone else posted total inmate numbers from 2022 and it was less that 4,000. Out of 5.5 million people, that’s doing really well compared to the U.S.
Here’s a small comparison. Oklahoma has a population less than 5 million. Yet their prison inmate population is over 20 thousand. And if you look at all the states, it’s a similar story. Especially in “red states”.
Okay, you edited your comment, so then let me add another one
The US and Norway have roughly equivalent GDP per capita. Norway is also a very rugged country with tons of mountainous terrain. It’s pretty much the worst case scenario for land infrastructure development. It having a small population also makes it a greater challenge for finding workers. More people is better economically speaking
The US doesn’t really have any excuse here
The Norwegian prisons have higher standard of living than all the red run welfare Oblasts.
Sure, but only because it’s summer. This time the winter they have to be carrying a flashlight wearing their winter parka.
Still, I thirst greatly for their political system, ecological ideals, in general treatment of humanity.
ecological ideals,
Only applicable to their own country. Their mining companies are all too happy to fuck other countries’ environments
(roughly translated title) Norway mining company (Hydro Cred) had “clandestine pipes” to throws rejects at river sources - https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-43162472
Fair enough, they seem to be better overall than the US, but I’m no expert. I know I wouldn’t consider swimming in my local bay, they still have a lot going for them
they have to be carrying a flashlight wearing their winter parka
It’s definitely not all wine and roses. I’ve heard their rations have been slashed to a single blowjob and massage per day. Really lackadaisical ones, too.
I had two coworkers that expatriated up that way. One loves to death one said fuck this and went to New Zealand.
Personal experiences are personal ;)
I mean, I doubt all prisoners are locked in these prisons. I think these prisons like Halden are rewards to which the best behaving prispners get transported to. Still, the criminal justice system in these countries is awesome.
It’s not so much a reward. It’s just the natural outcome when your intent is to stop crime, and not to be cruel with punishments. In most countries it is still culturally taboo, but treating people well is the first step to stopping them from committing crimes. Mental health attention is only possible when you work with person who is being treated with basic human dignity. Antisocial personalities of course are an exception who commit crimes and trespass social norms out of different reasons than common criminal but they aren’t actually that frequent or common. Crime is a complex multifactor issue. More often than not it is a mix of unmet needs, opportunity and the belief that they can get away with it. If you fulfill the needs of the person in a socially acceptable and healthy way then reduce the open opportunities for crime, you can stop crime before it happens. Punishment and its harshness, on the other hand, have absolutely no impact on crime rates.
I agree with you, mostly because it seems logical to me, like if you torture a person for years for nonsensical crime like possession, how do you think it’s gonna turn out? Though, I think that much more important is to ensure that they have the ability to put their lives back together after release, since in the modern day, it’s practically impossible for anyone with a record to get a decent job.
No, Bastøy is is considered the prison reward for the best behaving prisoners.
During their free time, inmates have access to horseback riding, fishing, tennis, and cross-country skiing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastøy_Prison
WTF?
Time to go commit a crime in Norway
Much likely they’ll hand you over to your country…
then your country will send you to elsavador
Any one knows how I can go to prison in Norway?
Go to Norway and commit crime.
Imma spray paint a horse cop
Those low numbers are likely because the wages in Norway are actually decent living wages.
Go figure, when people are well paid and living decent lives they are less prone to commit crimes.
I also find it funny that one of the “downsides” is that CEO’s and other higher corporate positions can’t earn as much as other places. There’s and interesting correlation in there I think.
The most interesting part of that chart in my opinion is that they seem to have 16 persons in prison for unknown reasons. I’m assuming there are some sort of national security involved or perhaps crimes of such a weird nature they have no definition for it. In that case though, what the hell did the last 10 persons do? :D
What’s going on in Norway? I’m out of the loop.
The Norwegian prison system emphasizes rehabilitation over punishment. Norwegian prisons are generally decent places. Turns out that treating prisoners like human beings makes them much less likely to reoffend and go back to prison.
But if they don’t go back to prison, how are private for-profit prison owners supposed to keep collecting easy, lucrative checks from the government?
By moving to 'murica, duh!
I would benefit from some rehab
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