EDIT: Kidnapping. The word you’re ignoring in the title is kidnapping.
They put it in quotes.
Funny how they are careful with words when they were literally on international water.
I feel like indie news is more important than ever, even if it means hand-cranked mimeos and passing them from person to person. Telecom can be cut at any time.
deleted by creator
It’s only sparkling detention
She could do the funniest thing now and get on the next humanitarian boat back.
Edit: me do grammar poorly
I know it’s stupid, but I have this nagging thought that they should use a narco sub next time.
That will give them an excuse to just bomb them
They’re fascists, they always have an excuse. They can and did attack them under the excuse of the blockade.
there was one in 2010 where the bomb and killed people
Six civilian ships of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla were raided by Israel on 31 May 2010 in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea. Nine of the flotilla passengers were killed during the raid, with thirty wounded (including one who later died of his wounds).[1][2] Ten Israeli soldiers were wounded, one seriously. The exact sequence of events is contested, in part due to the IDF’s confiscation of the passengers’ photographic evidence.[3] The flotilla, organized by the Free Gaza Movement and the Turkish Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (İHH), was carrying humanitarian aid and construction materials, intending to break the Israeli naval blockade of the Gaza Strip.
Removed by mod
I’m sorry but that is patently a false statement. Removed for misinformation.
There’s literal drone footage video you can watch to see what happened.
The activists protecting them self against israeli terrorists. Nothing justify shooting people multiple time to kill them. One bullet is enough to paralize anybody
Cute idea. But unfortunately not practical. For something as valuable/kg as cocaine, you can go to the trouble of using a narco sub. But there’s zero chance such a sub could practically carry cheap bulky goods like flour, rice, etc.
You might be able to use them to smuggle in medicines though.
So then don’t carry flour and rice, go with pemmican or something similar, high protein, high caloric, high density food.
A brick of pemmican is better than nothing, which is what they currently have.
You a word.
Uncommonly fast for Israel.
Probably because they dont want to turn her into a martyr…
Alternatively its because killing a white western girl with a recognisable name is more difficult to justify over here and they are VERY aware of this
I truly believe that they were ready to murder her before they saw the reaction she was getting and realized it would have backfired tremendously.
See guys Isreal’s above something as terrible as killing a white person
No but in all seriousness I think they were ready to kill her before they saw how popular she is
Not in general. Something deterred them here - probably the public scrutiny.
I think what you responded to was sarcasm
fuck that sent me
Learn something new, thanks.
Yup. The only reason Greta isn’t dead or held captive is because of her celebrity status.
If she was just another no-name activist, she wouldn’t be on that plane to Paris.
Touché
Didn’t stop them with this one. https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106819/us-israel-american-woman-shooting-west-bank
Or this one in 2003: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
She wasn’t internationally famous.
This. While those deaths were notable and tragic, they weren’t “celebrity deaths”, which pains me to even say, but it is true.
Greta is essentially an international celebrity at this point, not just some noteworthy activist. Her death would be much more noticeable throughout the modern zeitgeist than a random activist who happened to be American.
Another reason would probably be she’s too old for IDF scumbags, murdering any child above 12 yo doesn’t do it for them.
There are plenty of right-wingers in the west (including several politicians) who would love to see her
unalived.killed.Killed. The word you’re looking for is “killed”.
This isn’t tiktok, we can use big boy language here.
Sorry. I didn’t wanna risk getting banned. But then this isn’t Reddit, either so I’m probably safe. I’ll fix it.
I figured it was a North Korea / Blazing Saddles move.
Probably wanted to get her gone fast before one of the many psychopaths in their army got to her and created an incident they’d have to transparently lie about, then ignore. It’s tough being the most moral army in the world.
100%
She is too high profile to have around the grunts, also is a very vocal woman who isn’t afraid to upset authority. One pissed off murderer that feels slighted ends up doing something to her and that’s a mountain which can’t be made into a mole hill like they have been doing.
They did it for PR. The other who refused to sign paper that will make them look like they entered israel legally are still abducted in jail
Adalah, an Israel-based non-governmental legal organization that is representing some of the activists, said that those who remain are being held in Givon Prison in Ramleh, central Israel.
So grab the passengers of a boat in international wares and jail them in Israel. 😒
In a statement to CNN, Israel said that it “is preventing the entry of all vessels into the Gaza Strip, in accordance with international law.”
Is there a charitable interpretation that could make this statement true?
The ship was nowhere near Gaza. They were off the coast of Egypt in International waters. Israel just kidnapped a bunch of people. Also they only released Greta? What about the other people?
The others refused to be sent back to France, as they would have to agree to be permanently banned from Israel.
They refuse to sign a document saying that they enteres israel legally which make it look like israel kidnapping was legal and legitimate
Greta is one of four activists that have been sent home. According to Israel only those four signed the papers neededfor it and the rest are expected to be sent home after a court have ruled they can. Basically the remaining 8 activists reportedly chose not to give Israel the easy way of getting rid of them. I don’t have any English news sources though, as I read it in a newspaper in my native language.
Is there a charitable interpretation that could make this statement true?
Since Gaza is an open air prison under the control of Israel and not recognized as an independent state we can blockade it all we want.
Best I got.
Really hard to justify genocide.
Palestine is not a recognized country in most of the western world, which in itself is a travesty, but you can probably infer a lot of bs from that.
Like claiming a certain religious group has no human rights bc they’re not recognized as humans.
Palestine is not a recognized country in most of the western world, which in itself is a travesty, but you can probably infer a lot of bs from that.
That’s not even true.
As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.
75% of the world recognizes Palestine as a sovereign state.
To be fair, they specified “western world”. If you look at the map of countries that recognize Palestine, it’s pretty glaring that a good chunk of Europe, Canada/US, and Australia/NZ don’t officially recognize it.
That’s almost a 1:1 map of the G8. Fun.
Why does it even matter if it’s the west or other countries. Foes western countries have more legitimacy?
They were running a blockade. Being arrested was the point.
They declared war, they are allowed to enct vlockades according to international law.
They declared war? So they recognize a Palestinian state and Gaza as part of that states territory? They recognize Hamas as the government of Gaza?
Meanwhile the ICJ ruled that the blockade of Gaza amounts to a de facto occupation, well before Oct. 7. Furthermore the ICJ ruled that this occupation is illegal. So Israel is obliged to end the occupation, including the blockade as well as having the obligation to provide for the people under its occupation. An obligation which Israel also violates by the blockade.
On top of that there has been multiple rulings of preliminary measures Israel has to take to prevent the risk of a genocide being committed against the Palestinian people. The key obligation again being unhindered access for humanitarian aid.
Nothing of what Israel is doing is legal by international law.
Enact blockades in international waters?
How else are you supposed to enact blockades in the age of anti-ship missiles?
Yes, that’s how blockades work. https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/8684/43_101YaleLJ893_1991_1992_.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y
Is there something specific in there you wanted to reference?
Page 898
Outside the blockade area and on the high seas,34 belligerents relied on the practice of "visit and search"3s to stop vessels suspected of carrying “con-traband” to the enemy.36 A belligerent warship sailing on the high seas had the right to visit and search all merchant vessels. Merchants found carrying enemy contraband were captured and escorted to the belligerent’s nearest home port. The belligerent nation’s prize court then determined the fate of the captured ship and cargo.37 In cases where merchants resisted either capture or visit and search, the blockading force was entitled to pursue and, if neces-sary, damage or destroy the vessel to force the ship to submit.
Page 901
belligerents today continue to enforce blockades from long distance or through blockade zones. They do so because of three twentieth-century developments in maritime warfare: first, the growing importance to belligerents of conducting economic warfare in conjunction with armed con-flict;s3 second, the introduction of a large array of new weapons to the maritime battlefield; and third, the proliferation of modern weapons to less powerful nations incapable of conducting traditional blockade. In combination, these three developments have forced states to replace traditional blockade form with long-distance blockade or blockade zones.
Removed by mod
I like voyager because it shows you if an account is less than a day old and therefore likely a bot or troll.
It just did it again with yours.
Removed by mod
International law doesn’t permit the blockading of humanitarian aid. Israel was allowed to board and inspect the vessel, but not block it from entry.
Humanitarian aid is getting in through land borders into Gaza.
Gaza doesn’t have a port suitable for delivering large amounts of goods in the first place. Aid delivery has to go through the proper channels.
International law doesn’t put up any of those restrictions. As an illegal occupying force Israel is not allowed to dictate what the “proper” channels are.
Of course the occupying power can and has to do this according to international humanitarian law.
Don’t you mean the illegal channel controlled by thr occupying force
What an anemic headline. How did she become detained? By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters. CNN is a tool of the oligarchs.
Intercepting a ship that intends to run a blockade in international waters is legal according to international law. The flotilla had stated its intention repeatedly and were warned several times before being intercepted and finally boarded.
That assumes the blockade is legal though? Has an international court that is recognized by the ship’s flag country declared the legality of the blockade?
I don’t know of a court ruling. The UN‘s Palmer Report declared it Legal.
However as with lots of things regarding international law, there are different opinions.
Icj in 2024 said it was illegal. They wasn’t even intercepted in gaza water. No matter how you look at it it was illegal.
Its only illegal if you don’t have nukes
It is known. CNN has always been lib slop
It’s actually gotten worse. The management of CNN changed recentlyish and has been pushing CNN more to the right. I think it was to increase viewership, but ultimately just means the quality (not that it was very high to begin with) has dropped.
Watching their recent coverage of LA and NY I was kinda astounded by the slant on it.
By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters.
you might disagree with what’s happening but this was legal. Israel has a blockade there
It’s a really good example of how abuse and evil can often be legal while doing what’s right can often be illegal.
I honestly didn’t expect her to survive this one. She made it publicly known what she was doing so Israel couldn’t say it was a normal bombing of transport ships. But I figured they would use her as an example and destroy the ship.
One person on board with her is a European Union member of parliament from France. That provides a lot more protection than Greta’s reputation can.
Israel shot at a group of European diplomats two weeks ago and Europe did not care.
Greta has way more clout than the European Parliament.
I listen to the news almost every day and missed that. I guess it shows how bad things are that it didn’t make the news…
Because no one died, I don’t think anyone was hit either
I hate that someone recorded this without her consent.
When you’re a public figure, that’s to be expected.
Right to information here as well. It gives publicly useful infos, whether you like it or not
How do we know it was without consent?
Yup same, some people don’t believe in some human rights, like portrait right.
I’m so happy she survived! They where smart enough to let her live!
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
The let also other people out
And Palestine is now saved, THANKS GRETA!
The fuck have you done?
Did she ever accomplish anything other than going to places getting arrested and changing absolutely nothing?
What is her job? Going around the world with seemingly unlimited funds and giving some interviews? Just sounds like a Kardashian with extra steps.
Removed by mod
What’s yours? Slandering the few people who stand up against genocide?
Unfortunately no, I have to actually work for a company most of my days to be able to live.
I bet that mossad paycheck is not shabby huh?
Where do I pick it up?
deleted by creator
I just didn’t realize that a upper class influencer girl who never worked a day in her life was the hero of lemmy proletariat, that was my mistake
deleted by creator
I work for a living and still find time to go to protests, raise awareness, and lobby my politicians.
Therefore I respect you more than Greta
Sadly I can’t reciprocate as you seem a little dense at best and arguing in bad faith at worst.
And there is still war in gaza. You are useless
Dude you’re that dense NASA might mistake you for a black hole.
Another Lemmy.org user embarassing himself
Removed by mod
TIL: Not sucking the figurative dick of Greta makes you pro-genocide
Do we agree that genocide is bad? Being against genocide would then be a good thing? So protesting a government that is commuting genocide would be good right? Are you not a fan of Gretta because she doesn’t seem to have a job?
There is no Grata in the global march for palestine. Why don’t you talk about it?
Removed by mod
She brought attention to the Palestinian genocide millions of people while putting Israel in a bad light.
What have you done today? Maybe made a donation to make you feel better?
What is her job? Going around the world with seemingly unlimited funds and giving some interviews? Just sounds like a Kardashian with extra steps.
Yes, she did. She provided mutual aid. She might not have saved the entire world, but no one ever does. She helped a few, and that is more than anyone could say about you.
She helped a few, and that is more than anyone could say about you.
I donate to unicef so I guess I did the same as her without the free trips and celebrity status, where is my Nobel?
Removed by mod
Irony is wasted on you it seems
You are lying about donating to unicef
Oh yes she should just stay at home and pout.
Fuck you.
What’s your job? Whining and bitching about someone doing something that takes more courage than your dumb ass will cumulatively muster over the entirety of your life?
Did she ever accomplish anything other than going to places getting arrested and changing absolutely nothing?
It’s got you here talking about it with your terrible opinions, hasn’t it?
Take a look at this image and tell me if you think these guys accomplished anything other than going to a lunch counter and getting arrested and changing “absolutely nothing”?
Raising awerness . Many protests was organized after that
I guess some people genuinely don’t understand activism and collectivism
I was trying to unpack how many layers of stupid your comment is. But i felt my brain starting to rot. So i stopped.
deleted by creator
You have no rights to that name. The eight doctor would never spew drivvel like that.
None of the doctors would do that.
The eighth doctor would literally have been on the boat with greta.
Removed by mod
Where are all the people telling me she was goinf to be tortured and killed now?
Elated to be wrong. You see, that is how being an adult works. Sometimes you are wrong, and when you are wrong about something with a positive outcome, you are happy that you were wrong.
but also, spending energy on prevention (the publicity) and then when the thing doesn’t occur saying “i guess we were wrong” is the wrong take i think
same thing with Y2K and plenty of engineering things: people were saying “it was no big deal! yall were saying planes were going to fall out of the sky! we wasted so much time and money!”… yeah; it was a huge and expensive effort that’s why the bad things didn’t happen
Genuinely surprised. How many others have not been so lucky?
Ooh check out the genocide apologist, making a super strong argument about how just and honorable Israel is. So intelligent and brave! You should get a sticker from Bibi to put on your shirt.
Public attention from them and others is why she’s being gently handled. You should thank those who raised the alarm on her behalf, not Israel.
Shoehorni g reality to fit their believes it seems.
The last one was attacked by drones. They was a chance. Great that it didn’t happen
Removed by mod
If you want to get food aid into Gaza, it might be best to smuggle it in using drones or cartel subs.
deleted by creator
Ooga, strong woman, where makeup? Me mad, booga👍
deleted by creator
If it doesn’t matter anyway in the end then why not make it better for now?
Small stuff like “not comitting a genocide” won’t impact anyone after humanity declines so we might as well not commit genocide, no? Same for climate change.
Sure you may not want to do it but why insult people who want and enjoy doing it. Especially if you truly believe their actions don’t change anything.
deleted by creator
