The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can’t really disturb me anymore…
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all…
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target’s family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
How is this all normal and ok?
It’s not normal. It’s ok until the majority of America accepts what can really be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build.
Can someone try blowing up their servers? That’d be nice.
The wrong Amazon is burning
More than just America need to stand against Israel.
Except we’re the purse, so if we truly oppose it, we can easily make it stop.
Money won’t stop a genocidal cult from nuking the planet.
Stopping the money and supply of arms sure might help.
Makes much more sense to stand up against Palantir!
i think the military has been using thiels palintir for at least 10 years already. TRump just made it more obvious, because hes a loudmouth. thiel loved to stay out of the spotlight of the news for many reasons. everytime he was in the news, its never is good for him.
Not just the military. I found out Palantir had a contract with my own city to develop and test their predictive policing technology until 2018. https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd
The city banned predictive policing and facial recognition tech, then quietly lifted the ban and replaced it with a very concerning ordinance in 2022. https://thelensnola.org/2022/02/17/mayor-cantrell-moves-to-reverse-bans-on-facial-recognition-predictive-policing-and-other-surveillance-tech/
Then it came out that the city wasn’t even following the rules they had created in the sketchy ordinance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/05/19/live-facial-recognition-police-new-orleans/
The private surveillance company using the facial recognition tech (which was created during the time Palantir was still under contract with the city, but is allegedly totally unrelated to Palantir 🙄) couldn’t keep providing the real time facial recognition tracking to city police bc WaPo exposed they were violating the ordinance. However, since it’s only a city ordinance and they’re a private company, they can still provide it to literally anyone else in the city (state police, federal agents, ICE, military).
They’ve already been doing a lot of shady shit to American citizens, and it’s naive to just trust that they won’t eventually start using these kinds of AI drone weapons on American soil.
red light cameras already using facial recognition, to catch would be “runners of red light”, LEO was already using PAlintr PRIOR TO trump announcing “all agencies must use palintir, to target democrats”
Who’s Palantir? I sort if live under a rock. Yes I looked it up. I’m asking for the general scoop.
Palantir, as you know is the all seeing stone in LOTR, THiel is obsessed with LOTR for the wrong reasons, he named several companies after lotr themes: MITHIRL, andurl, lembas,etc. Peter thiel is the funds behind AI tech that palantir uses, which is used by the military and now by Some LEO. basically a spying software with AI.
The rogue state of Israel has immunity from the US and its satellites.
It’s absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it’s the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I’m not sure if anything even can be done anymore…
There’s always something.
I hope so, I genuinely do.
Don’t worry. “Laws” are being enforced all the time. It’s just not the ones that you imagine.
It is “statistically” normal in that governments and corporations will always choose death because it is profitable.
It is not and never has been ok.
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And everyone in their family, building, and general vicinity, and anyone in that 10% of targets who are misidentified by Palantir’s predictive policing/facial recognition tech apparently?
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Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
No it doesn’t.
Truth is hard to swallow. Regardless, people are dying anyway.
Truth is hard to swallow
Apparently Israel’s cock is not
Why not, “and genocide is wrong in both cases,” rather than, “and thus they’re both okay?”
Because USA will never admit its disgusting foundations on genocide, slavery, etc. They would rather jerk off dead enslavers and continue supporting genocide.
So the USA will never admit it, which somehow means you personally have to have a shitty view supporting genocide, too? I still don’t understand the connection, because there isn’t one.
Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.
What part of that completely factual statement don’t you believe?
The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
Our past atrocities do not justify current atrocities. Sorry.
they have been doing this for decades, even to the point clandestine type novel stories are often written about them.
All’s fair in love and war.
It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what’s normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.
The US gave Israel, an evil state, nuclear weapons. By your logic…
Well they were less evil back then… now I think we should cut off all support. And I think we probably would stop the donations, if it wasn’t for Iran being allied with Ruzzia.
It is not.
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Just listen to NPR. It’s all good!!! smh.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel’s current actions say this wasn’t a simple “what if…” contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.
They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.
I hate that USA is enabling them, and at the same time being hipocritical about wanting a peaceful solution. Cut their funding if you want to stop them. Freeze their assets like NATO did with Russia. Act, don’t talk.
It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.
Bullshit
You’ll need to elaborate if you want to actually contribute.
The president of the US doesn’t have their hand up the PM of Israel’s ass. This is especially true of Biden who was known to be on his way out either way. We can withdraw support but its difficult for the US pres to do so unilaterally when Israel is politically popular on both side. Given the lack of power to make it stick such a phone call from Biden would have been ignored in favor of waiting for a change of regime.
Who upvotes this shit? Are people here really this naive?
I don’t see how that is naive at all. We prop Israel up. If the president calls Bibi and threatens to stop all aid, unless they imposed a ceasefire, it would happen. They have so much power, tech and weaponry because we give it to them. If we pointed the barrel of the most powerful military on earth at them, they would cease immediately.
This will never happen tho. People don’t become president without complete subjugation to the hegemonic narrative (including zionism). Complete fantasy.
Oh I never said it would happen. It will never happen.
I hate that USA is enabling them,
USA is just as guilty as the genocidal cult, perhaps even more so. Somehow I have more sympathy for the brainwashed than the profiteering.
There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can’t never make mistakes bs.
Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn’t mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
Pretty sure there were reputable news articles right after Oct 7th that said that Israel’s intelligence was basically aware but decided to ignore it/dismiss it. So in this case they willfully ignored it for some reason, I wonder why…
They downplayed the threat, it’s not the first time they did just like Russia was also warned about Kursk offensive and still let it happen
Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.
I strongly recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappe. He describes well how Israels society has deep internal rifts as the narrative of Zionism ultimately failed to build a cohesive society.
So ultimately Israel needs the eternal war for two main reasons:
- To keep the support by its western lapdogs up, by presenting itself as the eternal victim under war.
- To keep the internal pressure contained by the necessity to hold together because of war.
See for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rr3j7vZGo
I mean, that’s not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran’s nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they’re tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.
The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout. And obviously killing civilians, which the scientists and their families are, but obviously Israel has shown in the past they don’t care about that.
netanyahu is using the aggression as a way to stave off his own criminal trials prior to him being re-elected.
Have you never heard of zionism? This has been the plan for over a century.
Yeah it’s not that Israel is planning this, it’s that this is the plan of Israel the whole thing is this plan.
They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.
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It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
You’re part of the problem.
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
Is it though? What level of enrichment do they need for a nuclear energy program, and what level of enrichment were they at? I think it’s naive to say they weren’t working on a weapon.
I’m not saying it justifies killing civilian scientists, but we ought to be honest about the why.
Where is the evidence that they are working on a weapon? There are people getting murdered because people have become brainwashed enough to just assume Iran is working on a nukes.
I’m just saying, killing civilians on the basis of assumption is a pretty terrorist move and feels very similar to how Iraq was bombed to hell by America. But hey, that’s just my 2 cents.
According to the IAEA, the Natanz site was producing uranium enriched to 60% u-235.
For electricity, you need 3-5% u-235.
That’s not an energy program, that’s a weapons program.
And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.
And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.
Okay. Don’t use your reason if you’d prefer not to. It does make me wonder though:
Do you think the killing of the civilian scientists was wrong because they were civilian scientists, or because they were ostensibly working on an energy program?
Because as I said, I’m not claiming the murders were justified, just that we ought to be honest about the why.
There are plenty making the argument that Iran needs a nuclear weapons program to prevent exactly these types of attacks. That is intellectually honest. I’m not sure where I fall on that argument, I’d rather no one have nuclear weapons (but obviously that’s not going to happen).
The difference between 5% and 60% enrichment is pretty huge. And the research and effort required to get there is neither cheap nor easy. If what they’re after is nuclear energy, there is absolutely no reason to continue risking the ire of the international community and the repeated attacks by Israel. They’ve had energy-level uranium for a very long time already.
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I’m not saying they couldn’t be. I’m saying that the official body meant to oversee this has not yet put out proof that they are. So we can imagine all we want. If the professional independent watchdog that is checking for this has not officially made a statement with undeniable proof that they are, they aren’t.
Who has more insight in the matter, you or the IAEA?
I’m sure you still think it was a great thing we got to iraq before they set off those wmd’s
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Iran has the right to defend themselves and israel has proven again that Iran is in need of this defense.
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Iran is simply countering the terrorist state known as israel.
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Oh right, I forgot that history started on October 7th.
November, you say? I wonder what happened in November that caused Netanyahu to be emboldened to the point of planning Iranian assassinations…
Think about this when you see politicians trying to pass absurd laws like banning all regulation of AI. AI is a cover to remove any last semblance of accountability for atrocious and illegal activities
Exactly. There need to be rules that make people responsible for decisions made by software.
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Anyone who gets uncomfortable with government surveillance because it could be used to target certain demographics of people needs to look no further than what Israel has done to prove their point.
The only thing stopping the world from autonomously targeting people by online demographic is common human decency, and humanity is running on very short supply of that these days.
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Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)
No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?
I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.
Edit: I stand corrected.
Looked it up because I wanted to be sure…
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
Here’s Netanyahu passing the buck:
At the very least, the information was out there and either he knew it and allowed it to happen (maybe wasn’t aware it would be that successful), or was grossly incompetent and derelict in his duties.
Thank you. The depths of that man’s evil never cease to amaze me.
The safest strategy with people like him is to assume there is no floor, and that for everyone else’s safety, he should be humanely put down on that floor next to his morality.
And I mean put down in the sense we talk about our aged pets, and I know it’s truly better than he deserves.
So Netanyahu let close to 1200 Israelis die of which 736 were civilians? Are any Israelis condemning him for that?
There is also the Hannibal directive that was used against Civilians that die.
Israel killed a non disclosed number of its own Civilians to prevent them being taken hostage. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430
Yes. There are a lot of protests against him. It’s just not enough.
Yes? I gave him the benefit of the doubt when I said he didn’t realize it would be so successful. Not sure he even deserves that.
It’s confirmed. As is Israel funding Hamas.
I never saw how that played out. I’ve seen articles that Israel escorted Quatars donations/aid/whatever you want to call it into Gaza in cash, but where was the link that it was their money as well
This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don’t know what else to say about it.
We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not “ok”. I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this…
Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,
And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.
Alex Karp’s biography makes it pretty clear he’s trying to spin this shit as every American’s patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that’s something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.
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I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
I actually disagree with that. If we end the flow of weapons and funding to Israel, we’d see a totally different behavior from Israel within the week.
The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
And this part, you’re saying nuke them or else WW3? That rhetoric is as bad as theirs! If you can’t think of any other solutions, then please, don’t be part of the solution.
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Man up
Fuck off. You can take that shit elsewhere. Grow a conscience.
A conscience is what we need to make the tough choices and prevent another NK
I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
There is no “international authority”. It’s all big stick politics out there. It’s like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The “punishments” when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The “legal” process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you’re cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It’s even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That’s not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It’s a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
It’s like that saying goes: “The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge.”
That’s BS. The king would never need to sleep under a bridge and if he chose to the police would be there to kick out the homeless people and make sure the king is safe for the night.
That’s the point of the saying. The law can be crafted to treat everyone equally, while only benefitting the king.
Edit: It’s why the billionaire media is so angry at the concept of “equity” and “wokeness”. Both terms help us beggars discuss our situation, and both might threaten the king’s throne, if we realize how simply the laws could be adjusted for what we want from them, rather than for what the king wants.
There’s a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.
You mean like when Gerald Bull was killed? Surely an accident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
Which is why I am sitting in disbelief that Iran could be so monumentally stupid.
Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.
Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.
Isreal is a terrorist state, the US is a terrorist state. Assasinating people or blowing them up on their way to work is terror. Blowing up pagers in homes while a child is bring it to daddy is terrorism.
Terrorism is internationally recognized as when a group or organization unaffiliated with a recognized government uses violence to achieve a political goal. “Terrorist state” is a contradiction in terms.
Netanyahu is leading a genocide and starting wars, all to avoid the regular democratic and legal process of Israel. Why are you carrying water for him?
This isn’t how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.
The alternative is “drop bombs”.
Rounding up leaders and putting them on trial seems like a more civilized international approach than engaging in the same bloodthirsty, explosive, surprise-murder that is literally the whole problem here.
You don’t have the alternative to go into other people’s country and round up people because people will absolutely shoot any such folks then drop bomb’s on your cities and forces. It’s not my fault you are confused about what the options are.
You have been playing too much rainbow six. There are no good guys in the halls of power looking after us.
There are only the rich fucks over here and the rich fucks over there pulling the levers of power.
Nation level retaliation would ensue. Maybe possible to do in some country matchups, but not possible in all.
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
Why not?
Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn’t agree with collectivist ideology.
Why would it be different for them?
Because lemmings that try doing it would be pulled in front of a judge if they went public about it afterwards. It would a) just be a single person that would b) face consequences for that action.
Israel on the other hand is a state level actor killing civilians in another jurisdiction. I know it’s just another war crime between many others at this point, but it bears noticing just how little the consequences have become
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Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
Because once you have them, who’s going to try to take them away?
In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
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Yeah, seems like the lesson is build nukes at all costs, as it’s the only safeguard against attack.
Also see Libya’s nuclear program.
Typically, no one wants to die for stupid shit, especially when they are in the wrong. But when there is no consequences such as dying, a.k.a no nukes, why not go to war and take everything? There’s no morals between countries…unless enforced by nukes.
This is why I’m pro nuclear armament of all countries.
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or does it?
This is the dumbest possible position because it maximizes the chance that they are used. There is no reason to think mad working was likely amongst a few actors and it almost failed repeatedly. There is even less reason to suppose it scales.
If they do need to be used anyway, then it was perhaps for the best.
shut up
Your mod history tells me you aren’t worth knowing. Blocked.
yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.
Iran is a terrorist state run by lunatics. Them and Israel having them is even worse than Israel having them.
weird how Israel is the one that keeps invading other countries, not to mention terrorizing palestine for its entire existence.
should?
Wait what
yes. the fact that Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons and Israel and the US still went after then is proof that they should have had nuclear weapons. because guess what would happen if they did. Israel would have stayed the fuck away.
Clearly not working, Israel and the us have them nukes and that’s not stopping Iran and Palestine from retaliation
Or do you see them staying the fuck away?
Because I certainly don’t
lol what. yeah the parties that don’t have the nukes do retaliate when the parties with the nukes are the aggressors. Iran didn’t start a war. Palestine isn’t even involved in a war that’s just genocide.
You are clearly seeing having nukes has no effect on retaliation, so why would you insist on it?
See Budapest Memorandum
Because you don’t wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?
They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
As usual this is teenage boy logic. They are posing with their guns as recruitment propaganda. No it’s a super secret magic cool gun from god you haven’t even heard of it because it’s so futuristic and we’re cool so not at all evil, right
israel and the us all deserve the nuremberg treatment for their crimes
The Nuremberg trials were a media propaganda circus.
Exactly SIX nazis got the death penalty.
The US/UK did everything they could to help the fascists escape and save them from the Soviets, rehabilitate them and keep their power.I agree with the spirit of your comment. Germany lost, fascism won. But as far as I can see there were close to 40 death sentences out of 160 convictions. Where are you getting your data?
Out his ass like everyone on the internet.
lol joker
death sentences were not all executed.
In line with my comment.
But OK, they executed ELEVEN people.
Even 40 would be ridiculous.Please understand that I’m not some liberal, and I’m open to your perspective. I’m not being argumentative, I’m just asking for a source. I’m interested in finding out more about the Nuremberg trials, and typically google suggests libbed up shit, so I’m asking you specifically to help me out.
I understand, and it’s good that you want to find out stuff.
I’ll gladly try to help.I think it’s important not to focus on Nuremberg but understand the purpose of it in the big picture about WW2.
Like I said, the Nuremberg trials where a show trial.
To say to the world: ‘look here, justice has been done and the bad nazis are punished, we can move on now’.
They made an example of those on trial and the world could enjoy watching a few of them hang.I’ll post some links to what is swept under the carpet and never taught in schools, the uncomfortable truth that US/UK/Eu capitalists had no problem with fascism and helped it survive.
That they went to great lengths to save awful warcriminals and made sure other nazis remained in power in Europe.https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-nazi-officials-in-germany-post-world-war-ii-government-2016-10?r=US&IR=T
https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOoThe support for fascists continued post war too:
Covertly, as for example in Project Aerodynamic
But even openly, as they saw no problem in accepting clear fascist states like Spain (Franco), Portugal (Salazar) or Greece into NATO.
Some more proof : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sunrise_(World_War_II)
Absolute and complete bullshit.
Here you go, I have FACTS what have you got?
https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich https://www.businessinsider.com/former-nazi-officials-in-germany-post-world-war-ii-government-2016-10?r=US&IR=T https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo
US/UK also had no problem taking Spain, Portugal, Greece and other completely fascist countries in NATO.
Capitalism and fascism have always been good friends.
LOL cowardly downvotes for inconvenient facts and…
awkward silence…Sounds like those guys were good at their jobs - jobs which demand following orders.
When you’re putting together a military force, do you want to train every level of it to think for themselves and only follow the “good” orders?
Okay buddy Nazi sympathetizer
It’s not about Nazi or any such thing, it’s about abilities. They didn’t draft the whole German army, just the ones they thought would make them stronger.
You didn’t check any of the links I gave.
No surprise then you know nothing and are one of those who typically only heard of ‘Operation Paperclip’ where they used some ‘harmless scientist’ like Werner Von Braun, etc…
Who was not only a member of the nazi party but an SS member.So nazi whitewasher, look at the links and explain why they evacuated an entire SS-Galizien Division from ukraine?
The ones who murdered 40000 jews in 2 days at Babi Yar and put 4000 antifascist civilians in a mine shaft and then blew up the entrance leaving them to die horribly?Or why save warcriminals and let them live their lives in S-America?
Thanks person from the Meloni Mussolini country
On the Internet nobody knows if you’re a Frog, or not.
Funny how precise they can be when they want to be.
It’s guaranteed the number of bystanders that were killed while they killed these “targets” is not zero.
Bet it isn’t a refugee camp sized amount nor an entire city blocks worth though.
Are you ok with just accepting any innocent humans as collateral damage? Bc as far as slippery slopes go, accepting that is a fast track to dehumanization.
I don’t believe those scientists deserved to die, but even if you do, why did their spouses and children deserve to die too?
Try to imagine you’re the neighbor of that scientist. Good chance you’ve barely interacted with each other more than a passing nod of acknowledgement when you’re coming and going from your home. Do you and your whole family deserve to die bc of proximity to a target?
Apply that same question x all 10 scientists they killed. It almost makes the KGB targeting people with poison seem like humanitarian work by comparison.
If these were your friends and family being killed by a foreign government while they slept in their beds, you would have to be a psychopath to just brush it off as necessary collateral damage.
ok if there are actual Jewish space lasers I’m fucking done with this reality.
Those are American drones from Palantir.
I bet it was those missiles with the swords that pop out the side.
I don’t know how we got from exploding pagers to space lasers.
Wait where does it say that specifically?
It was a joke. The weapon used by Israel is secret. Jewish space lasers is a reference to an idiotic tweet by Marjorie Taylor Greene that suggested that the 2018 California wildfires were started by some global conspiracy group with an “energy-based” space weapon. The user you replied to is saying they’re going to be upset if it turns out Israel actually does have space lasers.
It doesn’t
they arnt getting the ion cannon network.
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.
Proof?
I don’t think there’s proof yet, but Isreal has shown zero qualms about killing innocent civilians.
They simply define who is innocent or a civilian. Or human. It’s quite clever.
They learnt from the best
The pager attack was pretty targeted. Very low percentage of civilians killed (unlike the percentages of Hezbollah attacks on Israel).
Just FYI, that attack injured more than 100 people per person targeted and led to 10 people per person targeted to lose their eyes. That seems very untargeted to me.
Not trying to be that guy I swear, have you got a source? That number seems pretty high, even for Israel.
I’ve seen attacks where a hundred people were either killed or injured, they call that a car bomb. I.E, you need a vehicle to carry that much explosive.
Utter nonsense that a pager did that.
Going by this very targeted attack video, I find those numbers difficult to believe.
There just isn’t much explosive you can secretly pack into a pager. The strategy relied on body proximity.
How is that even remotely possible? The users here will believe absolutely anything.
Explosives famously only harm the intended target and not anyone else around them, don’tcha know?
The innocents in question are human shields being used by Hamas to protect their objectives. The suffering of those humans and children should have resulted in a massive operation to dismantle Hamas’ financial teeth. Instead hamas leaders still take all humanitarian aid and repurpose them against Israel. Qatar and Israel are the real perpetrators of this violence.
No, the innocents in this case would be anyone who lived with or near the target, so their family and neighbors. It’s not like they sent in snipers to take out the one target, they sent bombs, and bombs have collateral damage.
Yeah but Israel is also known to use Palestinian civilians as human shields, such as when crossing a suspected minefield.
Got a citation for that claim?
There are also claims of IDF sending civilians ahead of a raid in potentially booby trapped buildings.
But why waste our time on hearsay? It is hard enough examining all the documented evidence from each side.
In feel like there just aren’t enough of us trying to get at the truth. It is more like a game of football from the comfort of our Western homes where we encourage our team to keep going regardless of losses (on the ProPal side the encouragement for Hamas to not surrender is especially buzaare).
Human rights organizations and many high-profile news outlets have reported on this. See citations in the relevant Wikipedia article section. Reuters even has an article with video evidence.
That said, Hamas does this too and their surrender is probably the best we could hope for to further peace talks.
Wiki citation:
86. The United Nations verified the recruitment and use of 4 Palestinian children (3 boys, 1 girl) by Israeli forces as human shields (3) and by the Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades (1) as combatants in the occupied West Bank (3) and the Gaza Strip (1).
So that’s 4 examples of the IDF and 8 of the Palestinian militants. The numbers are not a scorecard though. These are just children and just the ones they had evidence of. Must happen a lot more, especially if you count adult shields.
I expect better from IDF since they represent a democratic government and so we should be hearing of the rogue soldiers being disciplined (jailed even). We rarely hear that.
One of the target’s two children died in the pager attacks. Civilian casualties & injuries are not always human shields. In the case of pager attacks for instance none actually was since the attack was unexpected.
What do you need proof of? The fact that the comment is speculating? It’s not stated as fact…
or allowing israeli settlers to forcibly take palestinian homes, i saw all those videos onr eddit, where they were rushing tino areas to sieze homes.
Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly “made legal”, but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.
It’s always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.
Netanyahu tested the limits over and over and saw there were really quite few legal limits. With Gaza, he saw the limits didn’t actually exist at all.
I’m surprised there aren’t more high level assassinations.
I’m surprised they’re publicly announcing this one.
I think it’s probably pretty hard to keep simultaneously assassinating 10 targets and their families under wraps, so they’re trying to get ahead of accusations by pretending it’s a show of military strength instead of horrifying skynet murder.
It looks especially bad when they’re pointing the finger at Iran for fucking cluster bombs.
The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?
The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?
I mean… That is how this works. Cluster bombs are bad because they’re less precise and cause more collateral damage. So weapons that target individuals with high precision are better
But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
No, they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”
That’s why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.
But that’s it exactly - cluster bombs just fling granades all over a city block at random. It’s basically just collateral damage in the hopes of hitting a soft target
I mean, fuck palantir and I really don’t like this tech in general, but blowing up a room or a house is way more precise. You’re hitting just what you mean to hit
And that’s what a lot of war crimes come down to - certain weapons are unacceptably imprecise. Which gets into the first rule of war crimes - you’re not supposed to attack noncombatants
Let’s not defend cluster bombs just because Israel is going to use this for justification…
Because of course they will, this whole thing started by blowing up the Iranian negotiator, they’re obviously not going to start acting in good faith now
they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”
No matter where you are on the scale, you could always get better (just killing the intended target) and worse (low yield nuke somewhere near the building.)
The saddest part is when they calculate that the collateral damage is “beneficial” to their cause. That’s the kind of calculation that tends to become more and more inaccurate over the long term.
I have mixed feelings - Gaza clearly shows a “worse way” to do warfare, but that doesn’t move the needle on how bad it is to say: “Welp, there’s a 90% chance that somewhere in this building is somebody associated with a group that we don’t like, so take it down tonight while everyone is home sleeping.”
The thing is, until someone actually faces any consequences in modern times for atrocities such as these; simply saying how bad they are has become meaningless.
Saying it’s bad is a step better than saying nothing, which is a step better than parroting the speeches provided by Great Leader’s party promoters.
It isn’t meaningless.
It is not enough in itself and being like “well i said it, now all is done from my side” is problematic.
Still it is important to call it out as a mean to pressure those with direct power to enact consequences to do so.
When they’re not european.
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10 assassinations of relatively innocent people simultaneously. Straight out of Walter white’s playbook when he went full villain.
