https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/06/30/canadians-react-to-cancelling-digital-services-tax/
Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.
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This seems really premature. I dislike Carney’s policies for a bunch of reasons, but it’s premature to shit on him for this. We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.
The last time Trump threw one of these tantrums, NAFTA morphed into USMCA without much of a hit to our economy (afaiu). If our government can repeat that success while we’re diversifying our economy away from the US then that’s a win.
You just said why it’s a stupid, stupid thing to do: Trump would have caved anyway. All Carney had to do is wait.
That he would cave so quickly shows how little he values Canadian interests over American profits.
And to that I would just add - people are PISSED. People will literally self-deputize in a second if America rolls in with tanks or drones or whatever (they are already setting the stage for that with their relentless internal and external rhetoric about how “dangerous” Canada is with migrants and terrorists supposedly flooding in to their stupid country from the northern border). This is a very sketchy time. America can 🖕🖕🖕🇨🇦hates you
We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.
It doesn’t matter since Trump can reneg on it at any moment as he did with the previous one
What Carney did here is signal trump that he will chicken out even faster than trump does at any tartrum he throws
The US wiped its ass with first NAFTA, now CUSMA, it will wipe its ass with whatever comes from this shitshow. The US cannot be trusted. It’s signature is worthless on any documents. I hope this is all lip service and we are doing the real trade negotiation with the EU, Asia, Lat Am.
precisely, which is why I see zero benefit in appeasing or even negotiating with the orange turd
I’m of the opinion that letting Trump think he’s “winning” while playing backdoor politics with friendly nations to defend Canada’s interests is not a bad approach. If they can make it to the American midterms, hopefully he’ll get hamstrung and become a lame duck president. Assuming he doesn’t find some archaic way of overriding them…
is that what we are doing or just wishful thinking?
so far all I have seen from Carney is everything Trump would want. C2 takes Canada a step closer to a police state supposedly to fight fentanyl smuggling. C5 gives oil and gas a free ride and allows the envirioment to go to shit as long as oil and gas are making money
if this is “pretending” to let trump win, I fail to see the difference to capitulating
finally, there will be no midterm nor can we bend over and give trump everything for 2 years hoping what? that the Dems will save us? tüat’s beyond naive
CACO beats TACO.
I really don’t care what the trade deal looks like, letting the US president dictate Canada’s internal tax policy is a bridge too far for me.
THIS ^^^
Well, there was this thing a couple of weeks ago when international law as well as agreed upon nuclear safeguards and processes were well and truly shredded by a genocidal maniac, then he came out tutting against the guys that got attacked out of the blue just like every other G7 lapdog. So far, unimpressed.
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So does no one here understand the concept of manufactured chaos as a distraction ?
The service tax was put in place ages ago but was never enforced. It’s the same trick with the whole border czar bullshit where Donald needs to feel big about something as a distraction despite its a throw away card and often something that was already agreed upon even without the US.
Carney only kicked it up for Donald’s ego to feel like he made a deal. Why? Cuz Cheeto thrives on drama. Meanwhile Canada stole the wheat export market from right under the nose of trump. As well as a few other things no doubt.
Canada is slowly disempowering US but needs some keys to periodically dangle in Donald’s face while they do it.
Sheinbaum is a pro at this game and has been playing it cleanly for 7 months. Carney’s simply following suit.
I’m gonna need some citations or sources for that.
AFAIK, the service tax was not “put in place ages ago”. It was put in force in June 2024, literally last year, and the first payments were expected literally yesterday, on June 30th, 2025. It’s retroactive, but still only goes back to 2022, which isn’t “ages ago”. Source
And what’s this wheat market steal you’re talking about?
Rutte did it too with his daddy comment. Stroke the ego of the big baby and prevent more tantrum from said baby
To the simple minded it looks like that.
But I’ve already explained it goes deeper than that.
Before we applaud the 5d chess move, we are a bishop down, and no obvious plan to gain back prosperity/material. Flattering the narcisist with a sacrifice to win is indistinguishable from continued full submission and gaslighting us into it.
Why would the Conservatives bring this government down, when it’s doing everything they want and taking the blame?
the conservatives are a joke and they wouldn’t bring the gov down as you suggest, but the Block and the NDP may and either would get my vote at this point… Carney could not have been more backstabby to the people that gave him the PM seat at this point
Yep, I’m slightly upset. Does he actually think something worthwhile is going to come out of the negotiations?
Y’all are remembering that it’s us Canadians that will be paying this tax, right? It’s not going to affect any company’s bottom line in the slightest.
It only applies to a few enormous corporations, that mostly generate revenue through ad sales.
Would Canadian companies really all have increased their Facebook ad budgets over this? I kinda doubt it, tbh
Then why would Trump object to it then?
Because it targets his buddies Zuck and Besos.
Does it target the billionaire tech bros or will Canadians pay it? Which one is it?? If Canadians are gonna pay it - why would Trump care? If it targets billionaire bros - big whoop! It’s so small it doesn’t even register.
Canadians pay it and are hopefully turned to other options, smaller companies, and hopefully Canadian ones. That would drive Amazon’s business down, and that hurts the billionaires more than the tax.
That’s fine, it allows Canadian companies (that pay tax on money earned in Canada) to compete
You can stop copy and pasting this, it’s not true
The digital services tax applies at a rate of 3% on revenue earned from:
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Certain digital services that rely on engagement, data, and content contributions of Canadian users
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Certain sales or licensing of Canadian user data
Canadian digital services revenue is calculated on a calendar year basis and is earned from:
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Online marketplace services
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Online advertising services
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Social media services
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Certain sales of user data
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Is that person a Canadian? Social media posts aren’t really indicative of the general feeling of a given populace. It’s dangerous to think otherwise.
GTFO out of here with your logic and measured takes. This is Lemmy.
I always thought he DST was stupid so to me this is nothing more than placating Trump.
Why is dst stupid?
Canada’s implementation is different from other countries’:
- It’s retroactive to 2022 - so the corps in question would have to drop a big payout in the first year.
- It’s slightly higher than the UK tax that the yanks didn’t call out. (3% vs. 2%)
I don’t know if I would call it stupid, but that retroactive thing seems odd. I don’t know much about corporate tax law, so maybe that’s a thing? I dunno.
The idea was to give the Americans time to negotiate something before the tax came into effect. If they didn’t do it in 3 years, I don’t know why Carney thinks giving in will lead to any benefit for Canada.
I don’t get the hate, it seems like about time these ultra rich companies paid some taxes?
I think the companies are the only ones who hate the DST. That and their puppet politicians.
the parent of this thread thinks it’s stupid, and got up voted but like zero explanation. Looking at their post history they don’t seem like a bot
They were told about the implementation and the date active. They have chosen not to pay. The total to current date is due. Its like me not doing my taxes for seven years and receiving the letter from the cra that I had better bring my taxes to current year or face fines. Same deal for businesses.
The percentage seemed arbitrary and it being retroactive seemed excessive and unnecessary. We depend on US content so much you couldn’t possibly function on the internet without it. It’ll force the US to limit services so we’ll be forced to use Chinese or European services and for what benefit? I use an adblocker and pirate most my stuff so no one is making money off me.
The percentage seemed arbitrary and it being retroactive seemed excessive and unnecessary.
What?! 3% We pay 8.79% on our income here. Three seems low.
I feel like no facebook in canada would be a net positive, especially after reading “Carless people”. I don’t even think that would happen, it’s not like these companies can’t afford it, they just don’t want to set a precedent, and they spent all that money on trump!
I use an adblocker and pirate most my stuff so no one is making money off me.
You never use Amazon? I also use an adblocker and a pihole i think i see relatively fewer ads, i still see them.
The one negative i can think of coming out of this is the companies passing the tax on to us, i suspect that wouldn’t happen.
It’s dumb to implement IF we are in fact going in with Europe and the OECD on a digital sales tax. But it doesn’t seem imminent at the moment so I don’t have high hopes.
Otherwise it’s capitulating to fash.
Canadians are great hockey players … but no matter how good they are, they’ll still cave in if they are offered a million dollar contract and throw the game
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As Canadians we cannot expect Carney to fix the problems on his own. We, as individuals, need to stop buying American to the fullest extent that we can and if we can’t buy Canadian either buy other countries or not at all. It’s amazing the stuff that you don’t actually need but have been manipulated into buying due to American advertising. It is hard to do it overnight but with time, most American products can be resourced.
He needs to resign
Out of curiousity, how many workers should lose their jobs to appease your sense of righteousness?
A trade negotiation is not the same as bowing to fascism.
Uhhhh in case you didn’t notice - when Amazon in QC unionized, Amazon pulled out of Quebec. We don’t need US digital services, it’s one of the easiest things we can replace. Might be a headache for some workplaces to get off Microsoft, SharePoint, or azure but ultimately - it’s not that hard. IT can do it. We have server farms and digital services in Canada. It’s easy to replace as opposed to say, re-tooling a car factory.
Do you really need Facebook, X, Apple, Netflix, Disney+ shitmaganda!? Or can you grab what you want from Crave or the high Cs. Our newspapers are largely already owned by US hedge fund billionaire massive global corporations - so taxing them at a minuscule rate is nothing to them. And they are free to fuck off doing business in our country if they don’t like the DST. This was a cowardly and weak capitulation on the part of Carney - unless we are infact joining the EU and OECD on a digital service tax as part of a bloc of countries (which could track).
But right now, we don’t know - so am skeptical about what Carney just gave up.
Lol, A) it’s pretty clear you have no idea what the DST is and what it does.
B) Jesus lord, for most offices, converting off Microsoft would be an insane task and a huge IT cost.
I know Lemmy skews young but this is nonsensical.
Yeah, as someone who works in Enterprise environments, I don’t understand where this attitude that it would be easy is coming from.
Fully migrating off those services could take years for some organizations, just like it took years to get them to the level of functionality and interconnectivity they are at today.
The attitude is coming from wishful thinking untempered by knowledge or experience.
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It’s a trade negotiation, it’s literally all about the jobs.
I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.
By your logic, we should just not do anything with our largest trading partner and I dunno, just wait for almost half a decade until we like the administration?
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The cavalier attitude is a big give away. Usually folks worried about their kids and mortgages understand the costs.
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No, I guess being well read and having empathy kind of allow me to consider how things affect other Canadians who are not me?
Oh God you’re insufferable.
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Carney
Always
Chickens
OutCarney
Often
Cancels
Knowingly
Welp big group, none of us are in it. Time to dig some infrastructure.
I always think of this song every time I hear ‘elbows up’.
