Woke ticks are out to turn the US South into soyboys
(did I do that right?)
Good news! You don’t have to wrestle with the ethics of eating animals anymore! (Your immune system will make the decision for you)
Poultry and fish are still fine though.
Those have a much lower carbon footprint per kg of meat though
Eh fish is just full of heavy metals and microplastics at this point, better to stick with just the poultry.
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I know some folks with this and sometimes pork particularly any that is slow cooked.
But that’s variable from person to person depending on the severity of the immune response
Without moral conviction supporting it not being able to eat the deliciousness that is red meat would suck major balls.
heroic little guys
I’m all for eating less red meat, but I’d rather do it myself than rely on an deadly autoimmune response that might also kill me if I have a slice of buttered toast (or anything made from mammal proteins, for that matter), or carageenan, a seaweed-derived thickener.
Edit: also, fuck ticks in particular. They also can carry Lyme which is hard to diagnose and, for many, forever life-changing, and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, which can outright kill you.
Two time Lyme winner here and they have gotten better at diagnosis of it, if they get it early enough they have decent treatment. AMA
Edit: yes fuck ticks. Especially that one that bit me in the middle of the night while I was peeing
Treatment, as in cure? Or treatment as in lifelong medication?
Treatment as in what I would call partial cure. As far as I can tell I’m fine. It’s difficult for me to determine if something has to do with my age or not or other issues, like arthritis or fallout from Lyme
Blood tests indicate the past infection from a year ago but Negative on an acute infection.
Edit: realized I didn’t answer your question. No on lifetime meds. Course of antibiotics cleared things up
I know someone who apparently didn’t catch it in time because they now have to avoid red meat. That’s great that antibiotics worked for you, even if it’s only partially. Avoiding meat products because it will send you into shock is no fun.
Apologies, realized this was about the meat allergies version. I didn’t get that, I got “just plain old Lyme” (which still sucks)
Lyme disease can be cured with antibiotics. The disease can, however, do damage to your nervous system that doesn’t automatically go away cause the thing that caused the damage goes away.
In some people, it can trigger auto-immune responses, which similarly don’t go away just cause the bacteria that caused it is gone.
This is complicated by the fact that there’s a whole fake medicine ecosystem built on preying on those people and telling them that they have “chronic lyme” and that they need to undergo a whole range of unscientific “treatments” like continuous antibiotics usage, or random woo. This is enhance by the fact that there are MD/DOs willing to write scripts for these treatments as a cash cow, and the names of these Dr.s are shared online by the large community of fake science people.
The proper name for the lingering aftereffects is “post-treatment lyme disease syndrome”. It seems like a pedantic difference but it’s important.
It’s like if a raccoon got into your house and tore everything up. If you get rid of the raccoon, you no longer have a “raccoon problem”, and setting a whole bunch of traps won’t clean your house up.
they call it chronic lyme, and they call these people LLMDs, plus naturopaths also are getting into the industry. its total pseudoscience, ive been in a forum and disputed the disease, and i was stalked out of the forum and hounded for even suggesting it, and most of the people allegeding they are suffering from symptoms, seem to be suffering from another condition altogether. they even use unsanctioned tests like igenex to reel people into the scam, its kinda sad. many people said they know loved ones spent 10s of thousands on the treatments with no alleviation in symptoms, its all side effects of Plant chemicals they are suffering from, plus antibiotics which cause nerve damage from long term use. i once fell into the rabbit hole once, later realized the PN i was suffering from is still an undiagnosed cervical/spine issue.
there seems to be similar than with shingles too, but not to the extent of lyme, at least on reddit, they are attributing every rash, or blister to a new shingles infection, when in fact its most likely contact dermatitis, and hsv1 reactivation. I had shingles myself and the symptoms were unpleasant, but its very uncommon to hav it more than once.
I understand that people don’t like being told “you no longer have lyme disease” when they are still experiencing symptoms, because it can feel dismissive, but no one is ever saying that the only way to experience symptoms is an active infection.
Everyone has had bronchitis or something where you still feel cruddy after the disease is gone, and it takes a while to get back to 100%, but somehow, with Lyme, people don’t understand that.
Especially with covid, lots of people still had lingering symptoms like a cough that took a while to go away well after they started testing negative.
i think the fact that believe in chronic lyme is because they are being told its a possibility, if they have any symptoms, when it doesnt even fit symptoms of lyme. from those communities in different forums. one of the favorite things they like to do is, attributing any rash that looks like a bullseyes rash of lyme, or a neurological issue they attributed to it, when they were never near lyme infested woods before, also the type of ticks doesnt fit either.
the LLMD reels them in by other bunch of unsanctioned tests, so they keep coming back to them.
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chronic lyme isnt a real disease, its been coined as such because communities/forums believe in pseudoscience part of it that is incurable and theres a whole industry built around it. an acute infection left untreated can lead to long term neurological disease though.
Your logic is a bit faulty. Lyme disease is really hard to catch, that’s why it turns into the “left untreated” part. What we name it makes no difference. It comes from people getting lyme and then being chronically ill afterwards. I wish you guys would troll people who aren’t sick.
i mentioning the people who are mentioning chronic lyme as an actual disease, not the sequelae of the lyme infection. they believe its an uncurable disease, that causes symptoms all the time. its all pseudoscience. the actual lyme infection is not.
fuck ticks
alright but I’m pretty sure the little fella is gonna look at me like I owe him an explanation afterwards
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oh that would be great but not many people seem interested in changing their daily habits, or recognizing the harm they are helping to perpetuate. people making that choice might just save the climate yet.
Yeah I got bit by a tick years ago right above my belt while hiking and even though the ring rash started to develop my doctor said it was a belt allergy and prescribed me topical steroids. Thankfully I basically demanded a Lyme test and even though they’re not super accurate mine came back positive and I got ahead of it.
It can really fuck up life for people, so I recommend that anyone who spends time outdoors in areas where ticks could be remain super vigilant. On doing checks after returning from the outdoors and immediately going to seek medical attention if you see any symptoms of tick bites.
I’d rather do it myself
Climate change is making the decision for us.
If we all had to give up animal products it would suck, but probably hasten the development of cultured meats designed specifically to not set off allergies, or at the very least restore funding to American’s science and medicine organizations.
If we get through the next century with meat product allergies as our biggest threat to life, we’re going to be soooo fucking lucky.
Read labels carefully. Some products contain additives such as carrageenan, which is derived from red algae and contains alpha-gal.
Alpha-gal is also found in medications and skincare products. This is dangerous, and not easily solved by simply going vegan.
Having food allergies is exhausting and anxiety-inducing. Deep diving into every single label, fearing cross contamination and being on edge upon stepping outside your bubble or risking a slip up sucks.
Can we go back to guilting people into more sustainable habits instead of celebrating the increased risk of anaphylaxis?
We’ll go back to guilting when y’all start caring about the animal that had its life taken for your pleasure.
Edit: Your downvotes are meaningless; I’ve seen what you upvote.
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“Red meat allergy” from tick bites is spreading both in US
HAH
and globally
fuck
Huh, I thought it was only the lone star tick that did that.
Edit: I just went down a weird wiki rabbit hole and found out that it’s commonly mistaken for pork-cat syndrome.
My father got lymes disease (not the red meat version) and that scared me so bad as a kid I’m always extra vigilant against the nasty little creatures and now I gotta be even more so? Damn.
I think Justin Timberlake just got Lyme disease
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought it was more of a generalized mammal meat allergy rather than just read meat.
I live in a tick-heavy region of the USA where allergy is now fairly common. As in, introverted homebody me with a small social circle, but I know at least 5 people who have contracted it. 20+ years ago, the first time I heard about it, there was a degree of skepticism in the general population, but it’s at the point now where almost everybody knows someone who is affected by it.
If there’s any good news to be had, some people have discovered that it lessens in severity or even goes away after some time (usually takes many years).
the article explains that it extends beyond red meat yes:
Often this allergy is triggered by eating red meat. But the allergy also can be set off by exposure to a range of other animal-based products, including dairy products, gelatin (think Jell-O or gummy bears), medications, and even some personal care items. The drug heparin, used to prevent blood clotting during surgery, is extracted from pig intestines, and its use has triggered a dangerous reaction in some people with alpha-gal syndrome.
‘Alpha gal syndrome’ lol
I thought the term ‘red meat’ meant it came from mammals?
Yes, red meat is mammal meat. People sometimes call pork white meat because of the color, but it’s classified as red meat in regards to health and diet.
At this point I think I’m immune to ticks. I work outside in the woods often and my coworkers get tons of ticks. I rarely get them maybe once or twice a whole year and they are barely hanging on. My coworkers take a lot more precautions than I do, but still get way more than me. It’s weird.
Anyway more red meat for me I guess
Ha same here.
The first notable occurrence was when I was around 9 and and we were hiking in the woods. My brother and me we both in shorts and t-shirts and running around together. When we got home my mum found a tick on him and after some more searching she removed 14 ticks from my brother. So she called me in immediately after that, but even after stripping me down naked and thoroughly searching I had 0 ticks.
And that kind of scenario has repeated over and over. Had a BBQ with some friends under a tree. Multiple people reported having ticks the next day. Not me.
Still haven’t had one … ever.
Went fishing with a buddy in the South. We were dressed to protect ourselves, and I was so paranoid with ticks, I even secured the opening to my boots and pants. Definitely saw them crawling. A bunch of shirtless hicks came up to us and asked us where our fishing spot was so they can try. I told them about the ticks, and they just shrugged and repeated the question.
I think about that a lot.
I hope for a vaccine that can kill these bastards, or at least the parasites inside them. Plus an expanded Wall of Flesh.
Beef is love, beef is life.
Beef is death, beef is murder.
beef is killer.
Wtf
I assume you are talking about the Wall of Flesh. It is a project to release sterile screwflys into the neck of Panama, and have them outcompete viable mating partners. The screwfly eats the living flesh of livestock, pets, and people, and was one of the worst vermin in North America. Unfortunately, the Wall of Flesh has been weakening in the last decade or so.
This isn’t caused by a parasite, its caused by the tick injecting alpha-gal that it picked up from other mammals in large enough amounts that it triggers the immune system to create antibodies for it. But yeah, I’d be fine with exterminating ticks.
Yeah it kinda sucks, but I’m healthier now.
Can you tell us how and what happened?
I was bitten by a tick and the area around the bite became inflamed, so I went to a doctor to test for Lyme. The test came back positive for alpha-gal syndrome.
It’s a weird allergy. They think more people have it than are diagnosed because it mostly presents like IBS. There’s different levels of safe foods. So milk has the least allergen, meat has more, and organ meat has the highest amount. So if I have milk, my tummy is a little upset later on.
I’ve no idea what happens if I eat the other stuff though. I’ve heard of people that didn’t know they had the allergy their whole lives, until one day they tried beef liver and went into anaphylaxis from the high concentration of allergen.
Genuinely feels like the next generation is learning how to take the threat of ticks seriously.
Nice. Can we breed them?
We’re already “helping” in that climate change is significantly expanding their range. I removed 4 Lone Star ticks in a 1-week period earlier this summer on Long Island. There was a time when that kind wasn’t even around the area.
That steak is overcooked.
Friends of ours have a dog with those issues. He can only eat fish and chicken. No bone for doggy! Most dog treats are off the list, too.
Curious Clinicians has a podcast on how this works. Family Practice & Internal Medicine chatting around a mic format.
