Mass walkout is in protest of Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza - Anadolu Ajansı
    • Hildegarde
      68·
      9 months ago

      They let him host the Olympics, so yeah probably.

      Also the US has veto power at the UN. So nothing can be done unless the US approves. Since the US enthusiastically supports genocide, nothing can be done.

      • jaybone@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        Doesn’t Russia also have veto power? But does anything the UN does actually matter? It’s always “non binding” resolutions. And if it’s supposed to be binding, who is going to enforce it?

        • Hildegarde
          4·
          9 months ago

          The UN was formed after WWII and it was a scheme by the allies to cement their power going forward. All permanent security council members with veto power were the winning side of WWII.

          The UN basically has no powers against the wishes of any member with a veto.

    • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
      25·
      9 months ago

      My understanding has been that one of the main purposes of the UN is to attempt to prevent or deescalate wars, by providing a forum for diplomacy. To that end, the kinds of people liable to start wars are exactly the kind of people one would encourage to attend it. Now, it may not have exactly proven very good at that (though it’s a bit hard to say when we can’t look at what history since it’s founding would have looked like without it), but still, kicking those guys out doesn’t actually do anything about what they’re doing, it just tells them that you don’t like them, which they probably already knew.

      • DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world
        3·
        9 months ago

        No it sends a message that there is no tolerance for you especially trying to mimic the holocaust from ww2 that was the whole origin story to the UN.

        • luciferofastora@feddit.org
          2·
          9 months ago

          But there is some degree of tolerance, and must be for diplomacy to work at all.

          “No tolerance” would mean actually taking military action against the Zionist regime, at which point diplomacy has failed and the UN is no longer the correct forum.

          Conversely, for the sake of minimising the destruction and loss of lives war causes, there always has to be an option to go back to diplomacy instead. Excluding him from the UN wouldn’t make him stop. It would just close off one way out of this horrendous war.

          To see what happens to a cornered warlord with nothing left to lose and no option for diplomacy, look to the late stages of WW2: absolute war, massive waste of lives on all sides, missery beyond measure. That is what the UN was created for: to provide at least a chance to reduce human suffering.

          That chance must be offered to Netanyahu, not for his sake, but for the sake of all the people that might not have to die for his megalomania. Walking out shows the disdain clearly enough, but it’s less definite than walling him off entirely.

            • luciferofastora@feddit.org
              2·
              9 months ago

              No, I fucking wouldn’t. I’d call for domestic resistance. I’d call for economic sanctions. I’d call for military intervention. I’d call for all the same things that have been called for both in this case and in the Ukraine invasion. I’d call for all the tools of pressure to make diplomacy the most appealing option.

              Besides, that’s a false equivalency anyway: Hitler wasn’t included in any UN talks either. That didn’t stop him, so why do you think shutting out Netanyahu would do so?

              The whole international situation was fundamentally different and incomparable. Most obviously, there was no UN. There also wasn’t any firm set of alliances that would have issued sanctions or brought a stronger military response once war did break out.

              Hitler was ignored, that’s why he wasn’t stopped.

              On the other hand, Hitler didn’t have a nuclear power backing him up and forestalling any military response. He also had no “fuck everyone’s shit up, because mine is lost anyway” options left.

              Netanyahu is protected, that’s why he isn’t being stopped.

              The UN is an attempt to offer diplomacy as a resort because it’s better than whatever other last resort they might come up with.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 months ago

      There was no UN assembly when Hitler was alive, and he had Germany leave the predecessor League of Nations when he came to power.

  • HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world
    6·
    9 months ago

    The world is turning against Israel but your average Israeli dumbass is still convinced that Israel is the protagonist of human history and simply a victim of everyone else’s bullying.

    Whole country filled with that ex everyone has had.