Makes it so easy to find the people who don’t give a fuck about women when they suck the Saudi teats so openly
This was harsh. Extremely funny but also harsh
Counterpoint: If America gave a fuck about women it
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Wouldn’t have bought oil from a repressive regime that suppressed woman’s rights for decades and continues to do so.
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Elected a pedophile rapist who engaged in the trafficking of girls.
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Mourned and idolized a man who spread a religiously driven message that women should submit to men.
Unless you’re saying supporting either nation implies a lack of support for women. Which would be an undoubtedly reasonable position.
Perhaps we can have a slightly more granular system than giving a fuck, yes/no, 1 or 0, black and white. May I suggest perhaps we count how many fucks a country has to give for women? On that scale, we would properly see that the US gives far, far more fucks about women than Saudi Arabia. I’ve been there. Do not casually equate the two.
Yes we can have a granular system but then do we acknowledge:
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Saudi Arabia has made more progress in the right direction (though dictator driven) while the US has elected a rapist, pedophile trafficker of girls who is keen on undoing progress on woman’s rights. One who was elected by millions of voters which suggests that many agree with his worldview.
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That neither country respects women, even if one has developed more protections overall.
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Whether your god is Capitalism or a religious deity, women are seen as having less value (monerarily or spiritually).
Please don’t oversimplify my efforts to bring nuance to this discussion. Making a simple ‘Saudi Arabia is worse than the US’ statement without appropriate context opens the door to two inhumane outcomes that I cannot tolerate.
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The dehumanization of people in Saudi Arabia for having perceivably less progressive values. We can disagree with people and their value system without forgetting their humanity. Unfortunately such arguments were used during the colonial era by Western powers to justify inumerable immoral acts.
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The dismissal of challenges faced by women in the US because women in other nations ‘have it worse’.
So while I firmly believe both countries are in the category of ‘Needs Improvement’ I am wary of reductive arguments being used to materially worsen conditions for women both here and there.
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I am intimately familiar with the ongoing hatred for women among Americans. Supreme Court rulings, legislative action, and modern campaigns for a return to lives of drudgery and involuntary childbearing are not even trying to sugarcoat the fact that we are considered lesser beings, despite being necessary for population growth.
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Chappelle has always been tone-deaf about many things, he’s just more obvious about it since he’s older. Glad more and more people are noticing his hypocrisy
its was obvious when he became anti-trans, and when right wingers were flocking to his shows.
Jim Jefferies, Jimmy Carr, Kevin Hart, Pete Davidson… I was surprised to see these names on the lineup, what a bunch of sellouts.
This is from their contracts (found on https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-30/riyadh-comedy-festival-begins-with-pete-davidson-bill-burr/105833686):
Jimmy Carr isn’t a surprise.
when has Jimmy Carr ever been a surprise?
Do jump scares count as surprises? If so, then frequently.
Jimmy is a cunt. Self admitted.
Yup, that guy just looooves the money. At least he openly admits it in his performances.
He was named in the tax evasion offshore account. The cunt is a traitor to his own country.
from their contracts
Max whack
I invite you to stay there, Mr. Chappelle.
So what did he actually say?
“Right now in America, they say that if you talk about Charlie Kirk, that you’ll get canceled,” Chappelle told an audience of 6,000, according to The New York Times. “I don’t know if that’s true, but I’m gonna find out.” He then added, “It’s easier to talk here than it is in America.”
Well, that sounds… accurate. Doesn’t excuse the other things he’s said, but… yea.
Edit: I stand by the first part of my comment. I was not paying enough attention to the second half (“it’s easier to talk here…”). That part, not so much.
I mean, not really. If he really thinks it’s easier to talk there than here, he should make a bonesaw joke on stage in Riyadh.
SA gave rules to the court jesters that went there, you cant criticize SA, or MSB, or islam in anyway, even inneundos or implying.
No they don’t give a fuxk about insulting Islam. Many forign performers shitted on Islam so hard on stage there, and they doubled their pay for it and reinvited them agaim. They just shove it alongside because it’d look bad if they only said can’t criticize the government
Did you see the contract he signed? “Easier to talk here” is just factually incorrect.
If you’re looking for a factually correct comic, Carlin’s dead.
Say what you will about repression of free speech in Saudi Arabia (and there is a lot that can be said), at least with a contract you know where the line is. The royal family knows they’re not proponents of free speech.
America is in that awkward teenage phase of not knowing who they are right now, leaving a lot of ambiguity around free speech.
I appreciate Saudi Arabia’s clarity. Even if they are objectively wrong. America just seems self-righteously confused, if such a state even exists.
Is it accurate? Did he criticize the Saudi government?
I wonder how that went over. It’s obviously criticizing America, but really at the expense of SA by saying their free speech is shit. (Which if you think about it violates the terms of the contract someone else posted in this thread.)
Depends on his intonation. It can come across as complimentary depending on which word he emphasized.
He referenced the Charlie Kirk situation. He didn’t say anything about Charlie Kirk. He’s nothing more than a rightwing propagandist these days.
Well that’s the same thing Kimmel did, and they (un)fired him
Which is so funny that he became “one of the good blacks” or at least he’s trying. The people he’s appealing to still hate him, they just like his “message”
Die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
It’s so true yet so sad
hes becoming a degenerate villian.
That’s not what free speech is. The government has never attacked Chapelle for his speech.
His bigoted shit just isn’t funny to GenZ and they don’t mind telling him.
It’s our right to Freedom of Association he has an issue with.
I hear that shit so often. “You can’t even say anything anymore.”
Yes you can. You can say whatever, you just don’t like it when people call you out for that shit you have to say.
Conservative voices are being silenced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNZTtoQBmA
I used to love chapel. Now not so much. He drank the Joe Rogan kool-aid
He also sent strong antivax messages to black Americans. I liked his comedy but he got addicted to money and is a disappointing human.
is a disappointing human.
He was always a disappointing human.
He just used to be a funny disappointing human.
Now he’s a sad, disappointing human.
Why always?
Things can be both funny and disappointing. He found disappointing things to say and made them funny with observation; it was his schtick, his only schtick. He was ‘edgy’ before edgy was hot. Low-effort humor, still funny to an extent, but a lot of people used it as a bar for their own disappointing observations, it bred acceptance of hate and racism because they thought funny == good.
Some people cannot separate their comedy/actions from what they should and should not do in real life. It enabled the “settle down it’s just a joke BS”. They idolized him; he became wealthy and a conservative mouthpiece.
punching down thats all they do now.
This
I’ll bet ya a whole dollar that he doesn’t know who Jamal Khashoggi was.
A whole dollar? That’ll buy groceries for a week!
I’m in a war ravaged urban center. It’s all I have! Please take pity on my wallet!
he will probably joke, sounds like KELLOGS cereal since it sounds similar.
I mean … a TV host just got fired/scathed/re-hired for talking about the fallout of a murder at a political rally.
So … maybe the USA is not doing well with free speech.
It’s not, and criticizing it is fair, but… from Saudi Arabia? The Trump admin is basically modelling themselves off their shit at this point. If he really felt this way in general, he wouldn’t have performed at this show in the first place. Criticizing the way free speech is handled in one country while in another country known for chopping up journalists is tone-deaf and comes off as self-serving.
“I’m starting to think we expect too much from our clowns”
this quote is the best thing that i have to offer.
Americas protection of free speech is tenuous now that’s for sure. But surely there’s a difference between being cancelled and being murdered and chopped into pieces. Right?
Excessive income causes brain damage
Aw man Bill Burr went too? Goddammit.
Daily reminder that Burr was never a progressive or ally to leftism, or even humanity broadly.
We just all really loved when he directed his performance against the people who deserve it the most, so that’s what we choose to remember.
Couldn’t have said it better
hes an opportunists like many comedians apparently. he was doing something very popular at the moment, aka the Luigi situation, and then immediately crawled back to whatever cave he came out of, not a peep after he made that statement.
Daily reminder anyone who makes appeal to collective moralism while denigrating a specific individual is almost invariably an intolerable cunt.
Also Bill Burr is a Legend
Also Bill Burr is a Legend
meh.
He has his weak points. His podcasts during lockdowns quickly degraded to one hour of him watching sports on TV.
If you think it’s “denigrating” to say a celebrity you like wasn’t ever actually a progressive or symbol of leftism, then that’s a skill issue.
If you think pointing this out is an “appeal to moral collectivism” then you need to need to go back to /r/debateme to argue with the other kids who just learned what logical fallacies are.
I agree Bill Burr = Legend. That first part though, I could agree with you but then we’d both be wrong.
I was shocked as well. But I have to admit, to a certain extent Bill Burr has a point. Not everyone in that country is part of the Royal family and part of the oppression. And creating a doorway by introducing Western influences most especially Western comedy could conceivably bridge a gap there. However anybody criticizing the United States for attacks on freedom of speech while praising a place like Saudi Arabia needs to go fuck a horse.
Burr and Chapelle and Krusty the Clown are all there because they drove a dumptruckof money to their house. Their not made of stone.
Canyonerooooooooooo!
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The crown are making big adult playgrounds for rich people so they can divest themselves of the financial road-to-nowhere that is oil. There’s no morality in this, their people will still be deeply oppressed and no amount of witticisms will change that.
I don’t even really judge Burr too harshly here, but the excuse is paper thin. I’d rather he just not give one and make a joke about how many millions he can’t make cussing out hecklers in Tucson.
yea hence the sportswashing, entertainment washing, and recently buying UP EA for 55bn. last i ehard thier countries oil reserves are going to dry up by the 2050s, if not sooner, yea they are in deep trouble if they doing it this early on.
I don’t disagree entirely and I’m sure they got a fat check out of it but you’re not going to shit talk SA in SA without getting your head cut off
If ever there was a chance…
Billy Burka argument is total bullshit. They’ve accepted blood money for whitewashing and the whole world begged them to reject it and speak up instead. Close the gap of my ass bro. The only gap that needs closing is his holed brain to understand that this dictorship is fully enabled by his American government against the will of Saudi citizens. Go perform for Putin and Kim Un next.
I don’t want to repeat myself. Read my comment to understand because you sound clueless how this shit works:
If he did it for free, his words might have weight. Might.
he hated that he was called out for being a transphobic person, thats the real reason. now that hes in a country that hates lgbtq+ he feels welcomed.
Based on some of his accounts of his experiences I get why he might have a chip on his shoulder. Callinh the police on a black man for no reason just to harass them is practically attempted murder in the US and is an unacceptable step up from online comments.
That being said, saying a country like Saudi Arabia where the state will throw you in jail for speech with no due process is the same is a complete lack of awareness.
Funny how all other countries are lacking the range of having different opinions about things among the different groups of people. Saudi Arabia hates lgbtq+? With such a view, does that mean the USA love guns more than school children?
does that mean the USA love guns more than school children?
Yes. I say this as an American. If America actually cared about children we would have been able to do something after Sandy Hook. America contains people that aren’t stupid about guns just as I’m sure SA contains people that don’t like slavery. But the good ones aren’t in charge.
So I use to live in Riyadh and worked for a defense company. I left during covid and seen a lot of hate filled shit there. The people in general, were very nice but I’m an American and male.
My wife is not an American or Saudian. She would be harrassed and even hit by the locals. They looked down on her unless I was around.
At work, I would routine run into non-Americans/Saudians. Holy shit did they treat them bad. From forcing them to do degrading stuff or just belittle them in public.
Those were just the “normal” people. The royal family members were on a completely different level. Everyone used encrpyted chat services and if you posted about anything illegal, expect the Matowa (secret police) to visit your ass.
Fuck all those going there and speaking all rosey for blood money.
