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I refuse to believe that anybody who claims they are working 80 hours per week are actually productive or efficient for all 80 of those hours. If anything, I think their employers are the ones getting screwed by paying some guy a shit ton of overtime to do theoretically the exact same amount of work that two people working 40 hours could do just as well, if not better.
Everyone should strive to work as little as possible. This was the promise of the future that our ancestors broke their backs to provide for us, and these fucking corporate drones just can’t help but maintain the status quo for internet clout.
sometimes the problem is finding competent people
there’s stuff I can do in eight hours of OT that would take some of my peers the better part of a week
I used to bust my ass to do that stuff, back when I was fairly compensated for it. I’m not anymore, so I don’t, and that stuff now doesn’t get done on the schedule desired by people above. not my problem
This is the common wisdom nearly everywhere I’ve worked, and doing overtime at all only happens when absolutely necessary.
The only people doing anything close to that were on call.
I work 40hs per week and I have very little time to live… how do americans work 80hs?!! Are your days doubled? At what time you take a shower/eat/sleep?
I’ve done 60+ hour weeks working mon-fri (with an hour of commute by car) and the answer to “how do you have time to do anything else” was “well you don’t”. I’m lucky that my girlfriend was at home doing all the cooking, washing, stuff like that so I could just come home, take a shower, eat and go to bed. Didn’t get enough sleep ofc but you can handle that for some time without being all fucked up. Gets to you over time though.
Halfway through residency that shit had gotten real old, but if I tell a boomer my dream is to work 4x 10hr days a week with no nights and no weekends they look at me like a gangrenous appendage. I want my fucking life back.
The story of early 21st century America was told from its bathrooms.
Most salaried positions don’t get overtime and I think that’s usually who is working these hours.
When one of my jobs didn’t give raises one year we all decided to make our own raise…by coming in 30-60 minutes late, taking an extra 30-60 minute lunch, and leaving early.
I was still there another 1.5 years and nobody seemed to notice…so, yeah.
good for you guys. also damn that is some terrible management
One of my jobs it was my first week in an office, which everyone knows means you got fuck all to do. After 7 hours there (2 of which were me fucking around on the computer pretending like I had stuff to do), after asking my manager what I should be working on multiple times, I finally said "well, if you have nothing for me, mind if I take off and we’ll pick it up tomorrow?
After three days of this he had a sit down talk with me that “people had noticed” me leaving and they had a strict 8 hours in office policy there. I was completely dumbfounded by this, that he himself had said I was cool to leave and had fully admitted there was nothing for me to do, but also proved he was not the least bit willing to confront his boss, even with something as small as “well he had nothing to do”.
Needless to say it did not work out, and I’m much happier at another company that treats me like a grown up
for a couple years I was in a management position, doing half of a manager’s job (we didn’t have somebody for that position so it was half me and half my boss who is the owner)
anyways I always treated people like adults from the start, and my best two employees are the juniors I brought up from basically no experience. except for knowledge, they’re honestly better than a couple of my seniors (and they’re both intermediate now because of their reliability). I hate that I actually have to treat some of my seniors as children because otherwise they miss stuff / don’t know what to do. like dude you have ten years in the industry, you should know if you change [this] then you need to recheck [that]
and part of treating people like adults was judging them on results, not time at desk. which was made quite a bit more necessary due to the fact that I was managing an in-office team remotely haha
crazy how treating competent people like adults will get you great results, though. almost like if they care, they’ll do good work. unfortunately it seems the company has outgrown that now
That’s literally one of my colleagues from back in the day. He was business development manager - all Gary V hustle shit and then some - like literally. Stayed late, kept doing rah rah speeches that everybody should commit their all for the cause, always agonized over every sentence in replies as if its a matter of life and death. When I was passed over for promotion I was told I’m not going hard unlike that guy. Well, that guy died of a heart attack two years later a little over 31yo - closed the deal and went to the gym to pump some iron while pumped on strong coffee - just dropped dead after doing a set. What’s scary is that dude was three years younger than me - just how wrecked your body should be for that happen?
Working excessively is a source of purpose and validation for many people. It also serves as distraction from their own personal lives. Trouble is, for those of us who have a more relaxed attitude and know better, we’re expected also be the same.
This is the behavior of so many Americans in corporate America, they are beyond saving. I just pretend to be like them to keep my job
The vast majority of US workers are way beyond the Point of Diminishing Return. US labor laws are shit and the Europeans are enjoying life.
The average european has a good life, but the average person doesn’t exist outside of statistics.
I used to work 84h weeks as a European, overtime is taxed at a higher rate so the take home is lower than a regular working hour. But if you really want something out of life (like buying a house) you have to sacrifice everything if you’re just a normal worker.
Hell i sacrificed it all only to lose it to economic troubles and later again due to covid.
I’m not doing that again even though all my employers try to get me to work overtime, some even fired me for refusing to work overtime past the contractual 3h per week.
I somehow ended up making a decent wage at my current job, but i dislike the job so badly it’s not even funny anymore.
In what country is overtime taxed at a higher rate? People say this all the time but the same income tax rules apply to overtime. There is no higher overtime tax in the EU. Yes the average tax rate might be higher on overtime hours on your payslip, but that’s not because of a separate overtime tax, your overtime earnings falls in your highest or even a higher bracket because the earnings are added on top of your base salary. While the average tax rate of your base salary is lower because it covers multiple lower tax brackets and a tax break could have been applied. But if you earned the same money as a normal salary without overtime you’d be paying the same total tax amount. So no there is no higher tax for overtime it’s just how progressive income tax works. There are countries in the EU that give a tax break on overtime.
Ah yes, “it’s not taxed higher, just differently which means it’s higher”. Makes sense.
It has nothing to do with overtime you are not taxed by the amount of hours you work, it’s purely by income amount. Someone who earns the same amount in 40 hours as someone who earns that in 80 hours pays the same amount of tax.
It doesn’t make sense to tax people who do overtime more than someone who doesn’t do overtime yet earns the same amount.
edit: here is an example. Lets say you live in a country with two income tax brackets. First bracket is 30% and the second bracket is 35% and applies to earnings over 20k and you get 1000 tax break. Compare someone who earns 30k and 10k in overtime with someone who earns 40k outright
Earnings Person A Tax Earnings Person B Tax 30k 40k (20k * 30% + 10k* 35% ) 9.5k (20k * 30% + 20k* 35% ) 13k tax break 1k average tax rate tax break 1k average tax rate tax 8.5k 28.3% tax 12k 30% Overtime Earnings Tax Overtime Earnings Tax 10k average tax rate 0k (10k * 35% ) (all these earnings fall in the second bracket) 3.5k 35% 0k average tax rate average tax rate Total Tax 12k 30% Total tax 12k 30% You see they pay the same amount, so no special tax for overtime it’s just taxed in the higher bracket because it’s earnings above 20k same as the non overtime earnings above 20k. The 1st bracket has been fully utilized before the tax for overtime is calculated. The brackets are like buckets you can only fill them up once. Once a bucket is full the next amount of income is added to the next tax bucket doesn’t matter if it comes from a second job or in how many hours it is earned.
And in this example someone who would earn 15k and 5k in overtime would pay 30% on their overtime earnings. Since it still falls in the first bracket, the total earnings is all in the first bracket thus no higher tax on overtime. Of course with the tax break their total average tax rate would be lower.
Earnings Tax 15k (15k * 30%) 4.5k tax break 1k average tax rate tax 3.5k 23.33% Overtime Earnings Tax 5k average tax rate (5k * 30% ) (still in the first bracket since total is 20k) 1.5k 30% average tax rate Total Tax 5k 25%
Bobby you fucking moron
They are getting paid a ton of overtime for working more than the max of 36 hours, right? Right?
40 hours is the normal expected work week in the US. But most states don’t have overtime pay requirements until after 48 hours of labor in a single week. Some states require an unbroken 8 hour rest period inside each 24 hours but not much more than that.
Ya’ll need unions.
Many unions have become their own for-profit businesses that work with companies to keep their workers aligned with profit motivations of said business. But yes, I agree, we do need MORE unions who work for the workers.
One does not throw the baby with the bathwater just because some unions turn corporatists, or just plain criminal organizations like police unions.
Unions have to be properly regulated so they work for the people.
I’m not disagreeing with you. Just adding on that many of America’s unions are no longer for the members of said unions. They just collect dues and stay out of the way of the corporations they are meant to protect the workers from. It’s immensely frustrating to see such lack of action from them.
