Originally posted by u/GFrohman at 2025-01-16T16:00:32Z
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u/Superb_Cellist_8869 · 2025-01-17 00:08:56 UTC · score 1
Lmaoo so unconstitutional
u/solventlessherbalist · 2025-01-16 18:34:12 UTC · score 2
Lmao this is ridiculous, that just makes it to where you have to get a background check for every 3d printer. The 3d printing industry isn’t going to let that fly, that would mess with their profits big time.
u/KoalaMeth · 2025-01-16 21:58:27 UTC · score 5
Oh boy I can’t wait to build my 80% printer!!
u/Thordsen3D · 2025-01-16 16:42:28 UTC · score 20
Their minds will be blown (figure of speech) when they find out about open-sourced printers. Ghost printers!
u/KoalaMeth · 2025-01-16 21:58:14 UTC · score 1
Can’t wait to build my 80% printer!
u/pentabromide778 · 2025-01-17 07:22:02 UTC · score 1
What’s next? Background checks on mill machines and 4150 steel?
u/Luckcu13 · 2025-01-16 17:07:10 UTC · score 32
Bro again? They tried this shit already and got a ton of push back from people not into guns.
u/ManOf1000Usernames · 2025-01-16 17:21:35 UTC · score 28
This is what they do
Submit a bill, get pushback, wait for public die down, then resubmit and get it passed quietly
Bonus points if you put it as an amendment hidden inside a larger mundane funding bill that has nothing to do with it
u/solventlessherbalist · 2025-01-16 18:43:20 UTC · score 3
👉🧠 you’re using it bro
u/Luckcu13 · 2025-01-16 17:30:19 UTC · score 5
This’ll be difficult to keep on the down low considering how quickly and openly the effects will be felt by those not involved in guns.
u/Mookiie2005 · 2025-01-17 00:29:38 UTC · score 2
So all of them…?
u/LeatherMarketing2229 · 2025-01-16 16:42:28 UTC · score 4
No thanks, I’ll pass.
u/raven_borg · 2025-01-16 18:01:12 UTC · score 8
Its possible. they got paper printers to stop producing counterfeit money.
u/husqofaman · 2025-01-16 16:25:55 UTC · score 78
I bet the real goal of this bill is to push manufacturers to include algorithms that cancel the print if a frame or receiver is detected.
u/HillBunker · 2025-01-17 07:45:29 UTC · score 1
They don’t want algorithms that identify 3D printed firearm components and PREVENT printing… what they want are algorithms that identify the PEOPLE attempting to make 3D printed firearm components. They’d much rather have your name and a successful print in your possession when they come to snoop your pooch.
u/vivaaprimavera · 2025-01-16 16:57:00 UTC · score 12
That will only push innovative designs forward. Things “so far out” that even a human would hardly recognise as a firearm.
Congratulations for those lawmakers. The implications of that law will be hilarious.
u/myotheralt · 2025-01-16 16:43:46 UTC · score 75
Good luck with that, open source slicer and an sd card means it can all be offline.
The gcode doesn’t make it a gun. It just says move this motor this many steps.
u/dementeddigital2 · 2025-01-16 17:32:19 UTC · score 17
Some governments classify cryptographic algorithms as weapons.
u/vivaaprimavera · 2025-01-19 20:24:35 UTC · score 1
Good luck with that, open source slicer and an sd card means it can all be offline.
u/husqofaman · 2025-01-16 16:45:47 UTC · score 10
Yeah but any printer with a camera could have a detection algorithm and it could potentially run locally on the printer. Obviously having less features on the printer makes it less susceptible to future nerfs.
u/Fumbles2121 · 2025-01-16 17:29:22 UTC · score 9
You know cameras in printers aren’t necessary for functionality right? And they they can be unplugged? Like yeah they are pretty cool and can help stop a failed print from wasting filament, but even with the capability to use a camera you don’t need to. I don’t.
u/husqofaman · 2025-01-16 17:31:51 UTC · score 4
I know, but future printers could have firmware that shuts them down if the camera isn’t connected and functioning. I’m just spitballing about how it could be achieved and how we could thwart it.
u/lordofmmo · 2025-01-16 20:31:12 UTC · score 3
ender-style bed slingers are open source hardware. unless feds make stepper motors or mainboards controlled items, this cannot ever be implemented
u/rebornfenix · 2025-01-17 01:47:06 UTC · score 1
as long as there are arduino CNC shields you dont need a “3d printer board.”
You need an Arduino, some stepper drivers, and some wire.
They would have to embed something in atmega32u4 chips which are used in a hell of a lot more than 3d printers and industry would revolt.
u/Kiritowerty · 2025-01-16 19:18:49 UTC · score 6
Tape has entered the chat
u/myotheralt · 2025-01-16 16:48:29 UTC · score 28
If you are going that hard, build your own printer from parts.
u/The_Bitter_Bear · 2025-01-16 17:18:41 UTC · score 9
Right? The people they may manage to stop weren’t the ones likely to make anything decent.
u/Fizzy-Odd-Cod · 2025-01-16 16:56:46 UTC · score 8
Probably not even just cancel the print but destroy it if decent progress was made. Sure you printed rails down and got part way through the trigger guard before it detected it, but that could be used as a firearm. Better heat the nozzle and drag it through the frame with hopes of destroying it. Printed rails up and you’re only part way through the grip? Better put the nozzle in the center and start running all the filament through to block the magwell and prevent it from being used in a firearm. Oh your hotend is fucked? Sorry, that’s a serialized part and requires a background check.
Probably wouldn’t be that bad, but requiring background checks for 3D printers is fucking absurd.
u/Fizzy-Odd-Cod · 2025-01-16 18:31:33 UTC · score 7
The part I don’t understand is democrats calling Trump a threat to democracy, which I agree with because I’m a filthy leftist but that’s an entirely different conversation, then making more firearms illegal. You’d think that if you felt someone was a threat to democracy and the American people that you’d want more citizens to be armed so they don’t become victims. And having 3D printers would allow the mass production of firearms like the FGC9 to arm a fighting force in the unlikely event of a civil war. Really feels like democrats just want to roll over and be stepped on.
u/CVS1401 · 2025-01-16 19:23:46 UTC · score 5
I think we all mix terms that don’t mean what they used to. Most of us on the right would have been considered “liberal” 50 years ago. Maybe even 30 years ago. Your modern party-line democrat seems more like an authoritarian leftist than a freedom loving live-and-let-live type from my perspective. All of that “threat to OUR democracy” stuff just means threat to their power. Note the possessive OUR when they say it. They don’t care about rights and freedoms or even our “safety” (and I don’t believe anyone else in office does either for the record).
That having been said, in person, most people aren’t the extreme crazies you read online. I know some people that I really don’t agree with much politically and we mostly agree on important stuff like family and kids and personal responsibility… even guns. They just vote in a way that seems antithetical to their beliefs in order to not have to vote for anyone they have been told is associated with ‘the devil’. This is why scum like McConnel and Pelosi keep getting re-elected.
u/Lampwick · 2025-01-16 21:52:35 UTC · score 1
That probably think that because printers can recognize US currency and refuse to print counterfeits that they should be able to do “the same thing” with guns. Except that all potential counterfeit US currency has a baseline reference design that you can check against (real currency), but there is no such thing as a baseline design for “gun”.
TL;DR - legislators are nearly always shallow intellect dimwits who have to think for a few seconds if you ask them if a dime is bigger than a nickel.
u/GildSkiss · 2025-01-16 16:40:08 UTC · score 25
Gross, you just know that someone is trying to train an AI model to look at g-code and guess if it’s a gun part.
Hopefully open source printers and firmware will save us here.u/husqofaman · 2025-01-16 16:42:18 UTC · score 18
I guess we need to start designing built in ‘supports’ that mask the true shape of the part. On the plus side we will get to unwrap our print from a fun shell. Bonus point if the built in support shell is dick shaped.
u/comawhite12 · 2025-01-16 17:08:56 UTC · score 8
Our own 3D2A Kinder Joy!
u/Kiritowerty · 2025-01-16 19:19:49 UTC · score 5
Going to be a hell of a day for some poor kid who wanted to make props or a nerf blaster
u/ManyThingsLittleTime · 2025-01-16 22:21:00 UTC · score 2
Zero tolerance
u/GildSkiss · 2025-01-16 19:22:32 UTC · score 8
Nerf gun? I think you mean “regulated imitation firearm”.
I wish I was joking, but Australia literally regulates toy guns for this reason.
u/Scout339v2 · 2025-01-16 18:24:44 UTC · score 10
Government pipe dream. Most people would just put custom firmware on their machines. People would figure out what update incorporate it and roll back or never update.
Keep offline, remix files, anything. It’s not possible to easily govern lol.
u/Thefleasknees86 · 2025-01-16 19:35:39 UTC · score 5
Voron for the win
u/Sledgecrowbar · 2025-01-16 17:16:01 UTC · score 11
Bridgeport noises
buys 3d printer components which are not covered by such a law
just fucking makes a whole gun with hand tools
How will we ever recover.
u/Western_Ladder_3593 · 2025-01-16 17:59:48 UTC · score 13
But not benchtop milling machines or lathes?
u/kuangmk11 · 2025-01-16 19:31:28 UTC · score 4
Probably yes. It says something like any computer controlled machine capable of turning a file into a 3d object. So manual is OK but no CNC.
u/greyjungle · 2025-01-17 00:44:09 UTC · score 3
And don’t forget the little machine screws that could be used to assemble a printer that could be used to print a gun, gotta ban those too.
u/dementeddigital2 · 2025-01-16 17:29:14 UTC · score 8
This is too funny! I needed a laugh today!
Pretty soon, you’ll need a license to posses basic hand tools in NY. And there will only be one brand. Nerf.