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Unfortunately those pesky live service games that have the most player counts are disproportionately represented in that 10%.
They tend to require installing a rootkit on your own computer. I wouldn’t buy them even if they did support Linux.
you are a minority in this case
Single player games are where I’m at so this really doesn’t affect me
Wonder if they can build on top of eBPF? I think Windows is trying to implement it too
I have a console for those, just never liked them on pc, feels wrong to install them when I have other options for mouse and keyboard play that I would avoid with a controller
The correlation between people playing those games and not giving a fuck about digital privacy is probably huge.
Which I’m sure is much higher than windows games working on windows. Proton is awesome for old games.
Switching to linux had me cold turkey league of legends im a healthier happier person now.
the real cold turkey was Riot killing linux support last year. Seems like there wasn’t enough linux players at the time for them to walk back that decision.
Funniest thing.: the Mac client also doesn’t support Kernel anti cheat, but it still works. Fuck riot, I’m glad I ditched it.
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Same for me but I switched to dota; im not healthier
Dota 2 took 2k+ hours from my life. Loved every minute lol. Welcome aboard, it’s not healthier but I’d argue it’s better :D
10.000 in lol, 1.000 in dota, currently. I feel you. On the other hand, haven’t watched tv in 12 years
Honestly not missing much lol. There’s like 1000 hours of good TV content in total out there IMHO.
The stereotype is of the haughty Linux user, but fuck me all I ever see in these discussions is Windows users being belittling assholes.
We tend to come off as haughty when Windows users show up demanding help and being insulting while having put in zero work on understanding their own problem.
I’ve seen so many Windows users come out of nowhere to shit on Linux when gaming comes up. There was the whole thing where a bunch of alpha testers got banned on Ashes of Creation a few weeks ago and the discord just had like half of people in their discord throwing hate around.
Also accusing Linux users of being cheaters… as if game cheats are made for Linux.
100% of games worth playing work on Linux!
Oh, yeah? I have a super niche German adventure game from 2004 that I can’t get up and running. But then it also won’t work on at least Win7 and up (I tried). I can’t even get that running on an XP virtual machine. This game has become my nemesis.
See if you can trick Ross Scott into playing it. :) He has near infinite patience for forcing old games to run, and a skilled network to lean on.
What about an emulator like 86box or so? And which game is it?
Where’s my hype the time quest? I tried and it was a huge pain in the ass and I couldn’t fully get it working.
I actually enjoy Battlefield 1 + 5 very much, and they killed it with their anticheat shenanigans. I am still salty about this.
Fuck EA.
The only games I’ve struggled with are those with codecs that are not distributed with Proton. Installing GE-Proton solved it.
99.99% of games on Linux unlocked.
GE-proton what add to proton? Beside codecs
From their readme:
Things it contains that Valve’s Proton does not:
- Additional media foundation patches for better video playback support
- AMD FSR patches added directly to fullscreen hack that can be toggled with WINE_FULLSCREEN_FSR=1
- FSR Fake resolution patch details here
- Nvidia CUDA support for PhysX and NVAPI
- Raw input mouse support
- ‘protonfixes’ system – this is an automated system that applies per-game fixes (such as winetricks, envvars, EAC workarounds, overrides, etc).
- Various upstream WINE patches backported
- Various wine-staging patches applied as they become needed
- NTSync enablement if the kernel supports it.
Linux people responses will be like: “ive never seen that, works fine on my machine. i’m curious tho what version of Wine, Proton are you using? …. oh? what’s your desktop environment? … oh KDE…? ah must be a Bazzite thing? i’ve never seen that before on Mint with GNOME on my Intel Graphics Card”
https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@SilbinaryWolf/115483449807384098
Interesting. I beat hollow knight on my Linux desktop years ago. And I’m currently playing through silksong on my steam deck. And you’re right. I’ve never seen this lol.
I played both HK and silksong on arch, and haven’t noticed any glaring problems like that.
I just installed bazzite and hk, no issues.
Really the thing that does not work for Linux gaming is when you have a high dpi display. So many games render the UI wrong.
I don’t know if they work correctly on Windows either.
What resolution is that?
4k?
I have a 5k monitor with 2x display scaling, so 5120x2880 scaled to 1440p
Skill issue
I played through and 100%'d Silksong entirely on Linux. The only issue I had was that the native Linux version had buggy controller support causing phantom inputs, and didn’t activate rumble at all (like the original Hollow Knight).
I normally play everything through Proton-GE by default and didn’t realize the game was initially installed as native. Forcing GE installed the Windows version and it was flawless all through the final boss.
(In short, definitely a skill issue)
Yeah, I can say that covers most of the “troubleshooting” I’ve had to do with games that don’t work. I usually go in thinking “uh oh, maybe it’s time for me to have to check a bunch of proton versions, this will be a pain” only to see that it’s trying to run it natively and switching to proton at all resolves any issues.
The only other thing that comes to mind is that I use dvorak and something about the way keyboard layouts are handled means it tries to “preserve” the bindings when I switch layouts in game, so it keeps the messed up QWERTY keys but dvorak layout even when I switch (and can tell it’s switched from typing things like in chat). Most games let me rebind the keys so I just need to go through the bindings, hitting the key currently bound each time as if I was using QWERTY and it rebinds. Though I suspect that due to the “preserve the layout” behaviour that keyboard input is handled specially by proton and maybe I can tweak settings to get the desired behaviour (ie, changing layouts in game means I want the bindings to change).
That 10%? The games everybody plays.
This may be the first time I haven’t fallen into the subset of “everybody.”
Everything I want to play runs using Linux/proton. It seems like the only things that have trouble are things I’d never consider even installing, let alone running.
I was watching a video about extraction shooters and it mentioned a F2P Chinese one. I wasn’t that interested in it, but I wanted to give it a try to see what it was doing differently. It didn’t run though, because almost all Chinese games have kernel-level AC. I figure it’s not a big loss. I own EfT, and I’ve got other extraction shooters to play, especially ARC Raiders now.
That was the last time, and the only time in a very long time, that a game I tried to play didn’t just work.
kernel-level AC
This sounds like they did you a solid by not working. I’ll have to look up this genre of shooter, though; not something I’ve heard of before. I tend to be too easily annoyed for anything that isn’t single-player or local co-op these days, although some part of me still remembers some MMOs though rose-colored nostalgia glasses.
I pretty sure I wouldn’t have enjoyed it as much as EfT or definitely not ARC Raiders, but I still wanted to see what they decided to do differently. Yeah, they probably saved me some time.
I’m curious, does EFT work on Linux now? I had a workaround with a windows VM years ago, but the anti-cheat decided that was evil one day and wouldn’t let me play anymore
I got Single Player Tarkov working, but it was a pain in the ass. I think vanilla multiplayer won’t, but it’s been quite a while since I tried.
You’re the exception
Most people play the same 3 FPS games that don’t run on Linux. They’re probably not the type of people that would use Linux but hey, some might
I guess I’m not everbody then. After writing this message I’ll go and play some Witcher 3.
Witcher 3? Never heard of it.
/s
I finally switched to Linux just a few days ago when upgrading my laptop’s SSD, and so far I have only opened minecraft to see how it runs - extremely smoothly, even though I could not figure out how to make use the Nvidia GPU. I’d say it runs noticeably better on Linux than it did on Windows.
Unless it has changed recently, I think most distros default to running on the Nvidia GPU all the time: Switching back and forth doesn’t always work. (Or at least, that’s how my laptop run with Manjaro)
100% of Windows games run on Windows. Just saying.
I’ve heard that there’s some older windows games that don’t run in newer versions of Windows but do run in proton
Space Cadet Pinball was removed from Windows, but it comes stock with Bazzite.
Just play it anywhere.
Right, but you realise that’s a reverse engineered version of the game? The original can’t be played on Windows. One glorious project to save a beloved game is a noble endeavour, but the same cannot be done for all the Windows games like it that cannot be played anymore. Spore is barely playable these days.
Right, but you realise that’s a reverse engineered version of the game?
The source article we’re commenting on here largely argues that Linux is only halfway decent for gaming because of Wine, a reverse-engineered version of the Windows ABI/API. Are reverse-engineered versions a valid point or not?
Wine is not an emulator. It’s a translation layer, which enables running the original software. Linux with Wine supports old windows games better than new windows does. In the next few years we’ll reach the point where Linux can play more games than Windows can, and it may already be here.
Wine is not an emulator.
I know that Wine zealots use that as a meme, but please note that I haven’t said it was. (Not that it mattered for the users anyway.)
In the next few years we’ll reach the point where Linux can play more games than Windows can
Citation needed.
True, but getting us privacy-concious folks to use any version of windows, even the most palatable (Enterprise IOT LTSC, which is impossible for an individual to acquire through official channels) is a hard sell. I’m still only using Win10 IOT LTSC for VR game support, but I’m just biding my time. Already switched all of my other devices off windows.
Why would privacy-conscious folks run a system that’s largely being developed by Microsoft, Red Hat and the NSA instead of a BSD?
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If only Windows wasn’t so ass :(
Not necessarily, steam includes a windows compatibility layer making many windows games playable on Linux and that’s how most steam deck games run. On stream deck specifically the battery life and performance is often better under this translation layer than installing windows and running them natively.
Edit: Just skimmed the article, this is exactly what it’s about.
The comment you replied to did not dispute that. They said Windows games run on Windows, not that they don’t run on Linux.
Fair point :)
Linux users hate reality, so they downvote comments. Made my day.
Bait 😔
you can downvote on lemmy?
some instances (like yours blahaj) block the use of downvotes
Which is a good thing in my opinion. Constructive debates work better without wordless reactions.
Even the 16 bit ones? ;)
Hmm, while interesting, that doesn’t seem like it comes with windows itself :P
I’m sure there are Windows distributions which have some DOS emulator preinstalled. ;-)
I think this is a higher percentage than Windows 11 if you include 16-bit ones from the 90s and early 2000s. (What was wrong with NTVDM64, anyway?)
Wen vr?
Impressive, now tell me what % of the top 20 current concurrent players games run on linux.
Here you go:
Want more?
More?
MOAR?
And personally:
What am I looking at? What are the colors?
Ok, I figured it out after visiting protondb.com
Yeah, sorry.
Medals are probably the best metric. Besides red for broken, they go
- bronze for barely playable with lots of tinkering
- silver for playable with tinkering
- gold for working great with some tinkering
- platinum for works out of the box with no tinkering
And above that “native”, which I think is not included in the charts. Even native games you can still opt to play through proton though. I had better performance playing Slay the Spire and Project Zomboid on older gfx with Proton than native for example.
as far as i can tell this only accounts for games on steam, which means massive games like fortnite, valorant, league of legends and genshin impact are excluded. also for some reason apex legends is rated as silver on protondb despite very much not working on linux? so i guess at least one of the silvers in the top 10 chart should be downgraded to not working
This is true. For anticheat specific issues there is https://areweanticheatyet.com/
Apex Legends is silver because it had 3k+ positive reviews before, but about a year ago EA decided to flip the switch on Linux within EAC. Likely to fuck with steam deck, or maybe to do some handwaving of dealing with cheaters.
So 60% for top 10?
Okay, real talk.
I know there’s probably 100 videos on this, but I don’t have time to watch any of them right now…
How much performance is lost/gained from using Linux to play games via proton?
I’m certain any game with a native Linux version will work great, I’m mostly concerned with the ones that need some kind of emulation layer.
colloquially, I hear “5-10% overhead depending on the game and if you’re running mods”
On the other hand, some testing has found that running games on Linux with Proton is actually faster than with Windows on the same hardware, because Windows is such a resource hog.
The hardware in in this test being the Legion Go steamdeck rival.
See, that’s what I was thinking. I’ll have to do more research, but I would think all the overhead from Windows being Windows, would kind of diminish the gap between running it natively on Windows, and using proton or something so you can run it on Linux.
The overhead on both should be fairly similar, though with how Windows is, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was slower.
I guess the beefier your system is the less you will notice the impact of a greedy OS (because thats a fixed/absolute overhead) while the performance hit of having to translate directx through Proton will always be there (because that’s a percent-based overhead for each rendered frame)
So for the most top-end rigs, probably still Windows will squeeze a few more FPS. But it’s close.
At the end of the day Linux and Windows are both pretty comparable for gaming performance, so we shouldn’t worry about that as a deciding factor in which OS to choose, and can decide based on other merits.
Even if there is a slight performance loss, I feel like for the vast majority of games it’s basically irrelevant, especially since most of the examples I see are like maybe 5-15% worse if it’s worse at all.
If you are still over 60FPS then I don’t really see why it’s that much of an issue. Even having 165hz monitors I don’t really notice much difference above 100, as long as the frame rate is consistent.
And as far as I’ve seen for AMD performance will be equal to if not better than Windows. The only issues I’ve seen with performance are Nvidia, but it’s been improving and seems to be “good enough” from what I hear. Also, the more people who switch the more likely that will improve even more.
Yup. I agree. I was just checking to see if that was the case.
I was certainly hoping it was, but I wanted to see what other people’s experiences have been.
Thanks for the conversation.
As I had an older pc this was true most of the time
Most stuff works outside of system anti-cheatl level multiplayer and some visual novels that can be tough to setup sometimes.
