• waterore@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    If you’re immortal and can’t get your hands on a castle or 2 then what are you doing with your infinite time?

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      3 months ago

      “I had a castle, then I got ruined in the S&L collapse in the 80s. I did eat a few of those bankers, though.”

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          3 months ago

          I would describe the house they lived in on the tv show as a mansion, which is basically a New World Castle, that basement alone seemed endless

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            3 months ago

            Wait, did they make a TV series after the movie? Or was it a series first??

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              I heard the movie was first but I haven’t seen it. The show might be the best I ever watched. It’s utterly creative, the atmosphere is so well rendered, characters are fan-tas-tic

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                Whaaa, I’m not sure why I never knew about this. I’ll have to go check it out!

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        Speaking only for myself, within a year of being turned into a vampire if I want a castle I’m getting a castle.

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      If you’re immortal

      Yeah can’t find any stories that don’t have him alive for hundreds of years before the castle.

      You know, there’s probably a movie in that somewhere…

      Dracula beginnings.

      Wife dies, leads him to learning dark arts, accidentally turns himself into a vampire instead of reanimating his wife, he works his way up through the aristocracy as an assassin, slowly grows tired of humanity, perhaps a little evil, and slowly kills/controls his way into the aristocracy.

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        Castlevania vibes. I’m not sure any have an origins story for him, but I did get the impression that he was ancient from the show and had accumulated more knowledge in his libraries than humanity had in all the libraries of the world.

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      3 months ago

      It’s a skill issue by the 2nd or 3rd generation you live through, honestly.

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      3 months ago

      At a generalisation, vampire fiction is left-wing (bloodsucking elites preying on humanity), zombie fiction is right-wing (“the peasants are revolting!”)

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        that is not zombie fiction. what zombie fiction is depicting it like that?

        the george romero stuff were about consumerism and brainless shoppers mindlessly spending on crap. the dead rising series (spoilers here) literally has the bad guy be a corporation and the us government and military are complacent in it (the corporation even has an actual cure for zombies but that doesnt make them money like their once a day doses)

        also zombies are basically what humans are to animals. seemingly never getting tired and always slowly catching up to you

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        Vampire fiction being leftwing tracks, but zombie fiction being rightwing doesn’t seem as clear-cut. There’s definitely a “finally I get to be a real man doing survival-stuff and justifiably kill humanoid beings with personal weapons” aspect to it that feels rightwing, but there’s also all the anti-consumerist and anti-corporation themes that are common to zombie fiction.

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        That’s one reading. Another reading is that vampires are bloodsucking foreigners using their exotic charms to tempt and corrupt innocent women into sinful acts. And if a foreign noble is a vampire, then it’s justified for America the heroes to depose them. Plus, they found a novel way to weaponise Christianity.

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        I feel like I’ve seen a few zombie movies that are critiques of consumerism and unthinking conformist politics, which are not typically conservative themes.

        But it’s not my preferred genre so I haven’t seen many.

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            IIRC, when he creates the being (who is obviously also called Frankenstein due to being Frankenstein’s son), he is a university student in the Mary Shelley book. Definitely not a PhD or medicine practitioner.

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              It’s quite a stretch to say that stitching together some corpses and reanimating the result means the creature is obviously your son and given your surname. If that were the case it would have been specified in the book, and it is not. The creature didn’t even like his creator, so why would he want to be named after him?

              You’re correct about his title, though - he was not a doctor in the book.

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          Antinatalist maybe? The monster didn’t ask to be born into a world that hates him because they find him ugly, his creator denies him what he views as his only chance at happiness by refusing to make a wife for him, he ultimately kills a bunch of people and then himself because he’s angry at humanity… oh god, is the monster the original incel???

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        I have never ever heard of anyone interpreting zombie fiction as right wing. Like, just look at Night of the Living Dead. Actually, is any zombie movie even marginally right-wing? Zombieland?

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            I started on the comic before the show and then I realised how much there was and gave up.

            But isn’t The Walking Dead more about the bad things that people do to each other? Power corrupts, lack of accountability makes for a crueler society, that kind of thing? When circumstances make people desperate maybe you shouldn’t exploit that? And it would actually be better if we could change circumstances so people weren’t desperate?

            Edit: but Rick is also a dickhead right? So I guess if you’re a dickhead and see a dickhead protagonist then you might feel validated.

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      I’m pretty sure it was something like “Dracula doesn’t have a castle because he’s a vampire. He has a castle because he’s a Count.”

      If this is annoying and pedantic, I apologize. For whatever reason, the original post isn’t displaying for me.

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      Vampires are classically allegories about scary foreigners spreading diseases and sexual immorality. See Stoker’s Dracula and Le Fanu’s Carmilla for the Ur-examples. There is, however, a really good modern reading of Dracula as healthy queer polyamory vs toxic polygamy. And Carmella is the inspiration for many of the canonical works of lesbian literature.

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        Eh. It’s true that Dracula was a scary foreigner, but he was also nobility, and most subsequent vampire works definitely lean into the nobility aspect instead of the foreigner aspect. Debaucherous nobility is a common theme in works that deal with non-monstrous aristocrats, too.

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    This is something The Elder Scrolls got right. Vampires could be anyone. The Mayor of a city, the homeless guy in the cave outside of town. You won’t know until they find you wandering around at night.

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      Most fiction that has a society of vampires portrays it this way. It wouldn’t make sense for every single one of them to be a count who lives in their own castle.