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Alleged gunman faces nine charges including second-degree murder in New York state case
Luigi Mangione is due to appear in Manhattan state court on Monday for the first day of a potentially weeklong proceeding to weigh the legality of evidence gathered during his arrest after the killing of a prominent healthcare executive.
Mangione was apprehended last December in the murder of senior United HealthCare figure Brian Thompson last December. In addition to state-level charges, he faces a Manhattan federal court case.
Thompson’s brutal slaying on the streets of New York city triggered an intense manhunt for the killer, but also sparked an outpouring of anger at the practices of the US for-profit healthcare industry. Since his arrest Mangione has attracted some enthusiastic supporters, both online and at his court appearances.
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Cops were so thirsty for a conviction they completely broke the chain of custody on their “evidence”. The whole thing should be thrown out
even mayor adams was doing a perpwalk, furthermore the trump adminstration is trying to get in involved, so its a politically motivated attack.
My man is innocent. Was not even there.
Doesn’t look remotely like the guy in that original mugshot they were flashing around.
Right? This has bothered me from the beginning. He’s not the guy in the footage who shoots Thompson, and it’s obvious. But they need someone to take the fall as an example, to protect the rich.
If that was the case, wouldn’t his lawyers have a better argument than “the cops gathered evidence wrong”?
There is wishful thinking, and our own biases about this case, but I feel like if the current story were true, we wouldn’t be splitting hairs about Miranda rights. And to be very clear, from what I understand,supreme court precedent, specifically New York v. Quarles, it has been already established that you don’t actually have to be read your Miranda rights if there is a public safety exception. I imagine that will be main counter argument.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but this sounds like a weak argument from the people who have all the official details of the interaction and narrative they are pushing.
You seem more knowledgeable than I am on this subject, so I would imagine you are correct. It’s just that the guy in the footage who shoots Thompson is clearly someone else. And I’m not the only one who thinks they look like entirely different people. I’ve been confused by how this case has unfolded so far, which could explain how I’m making speculations about why they might’ve planted that evidence. This whole case stinks.
Luigi was with me the whole time.
You’re a liar.
He was balls deep in my wife at the time this supposed murder took place.
Sounds like ThePyroPython is your wife
🤫
Confirmed. I saw you watching them bone down while I was peeking through the window. Looked pretty fun, not gonna lie.
Nice house btw, and hot wife. You should be proud.
Lucky woman.
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Luigi is actually Sam Reich.
“I’ve been here the whole time.”
Now that’s a loop-de-loop!
He was eating dinner with me in Estonia the evening that CEO died. He only flew back to the US after that.
A CEO gets killed - the law, the police, the government are all out in droves to find who done it.
Your relative, a friend, your child even gets killed - eh, chances are likely you could get a cold case or not the desired results you were hoping for when the sentencing comes around. Oh and those thoughts and prayers.
It cannot be anymore clear as day as to who is pocketing the authority to do their bidding. Try and tell me with a straight face that the justice system is in favor of the people.
To be fair, if a child dies…if it wasn’t in a car crash or a school or accidental shooting, it was probably because of people like this CEO.
Those car crashes and shootings are also result of policy put forward by people like this CEO.
Americans get murdered by insurance company CEO’s and their shareholders every day.
too bad hes a low level ceo, the real one was witty before he retired and the BOD. witty dint even care that he died, because uhg was under investigation for INSIDER trading, and its likely thompson was the informant, ready to rat them out for immunity. you can google insider trading and ugh/uhc.
Isn’t like the murder resolution rate in NYC around 50%? And that is in the areas that have more surveillance than anywhere else in America?
Even in Canada the murder resolution rate can hover around 60% in good places. (Toronto once had a resolution rate of 80% in a good year but that was an exception). Ultimately it really is the nature of the victim as to how fast a murder gets resolved.
Jesus. That’s insane to think about in modern times. With all the surveillance and data available, you’d think it’d be way higher, regardless of who the victim is. How depressing.
It’s almost like all the surveillance was never really about solving those crimes.
It is about monitoring political protests and activists. If someone spray painted the words ‘die, Mike, die!’ On a storefront (and the owner’s name was Mike) the police won’t bother looking at the footage. They won’t bother looking at the footage even if said Mike was shot multiple times a few days later.
But spray paint ‘eat the rich’ anywhere? Calling all cars… calling all cars!
It’s 75% in NYC 50% is probably state average.
Nope. According to the 2024 Clearance report (4th quarter) from NYC the murder resolution rate was 50.57% in grand total. The 75% you are referring to is from Manhattan only. Brooklyn had a 41.67% clearance rate and the Bronx was at 51.72%. Queens was absolute shit at only 33.33% of murders cleared. With Staten Island at 66.67%.
Edit: I need to mention that cleared doesn’t mean ‘convicted absolutely and we found the killer 100%’ it just means that they arrested and charged someone with the crime. If the charges are later dropped for some reason, or the person(s) go to trial and are acquitted, it doesn’t count against the statistic.
they need to make the “wealthy” feel safe, so they have this clown show to assure them.
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Yeah, it was as brutal as any other shooting. Do cops shooting kids ever get described as “brutal”?
It’s not like he was beaten to death with a tire iron, or denied treatment and left to a slow and agonizing death that also leaves your family in ruins.
If you think about it, Luigi had far more compassion than the man he killed. Pretty quick and painless; compared to the outcomes of our healthcare system.
This BRUTAL ASSASSINATION of a poor little innocent ceo who definitely didn’t profit on the corpses of thousands of people who were denied healthcare specifically because of his own intentional policies. This precious baby ceo was MORDERED in COLD BLOOD by this bloodthirsty
massmurderingimmigrantminoritywho hated him because FREEDOM and the BRAVE and BOLD decision of the ceo to allow poor people to be able to CHOOSE to die via paperworkas a weapon. Surely this ceo who’s name we can’t find for some reason is smiling down on his beloved healthcare industry from the heaven that definitely exists. We hope the ultra powerful and scarymassmurderer Luigi Mangione gets the JUSTICE the people of this country are clamoring for.You forgot to pull the husband and father card. 8/10, really gotta hammer that orphan angle home next time.
Unfortunately, nothing is known about the alleged victim of Luigi Mangione. It seems as though he may ironically be just as soon forgotten as his many thousands of victims denied the Healthcare they needed for the sake of some bloodsucking ‘shareholders’ making more money while contributing nothing of worth to society. He may or may not have been a father and husband, but he also may or may not have killed his own humanity by depriving thousands of others of their own fathers, mothers, children ,cousins, friends, etc. I’m not explicitly saying that he deserves to be forgotten, but I’m not sure I’d want to remember someone if they were anything like the later possibility. But what do I know? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
It was just a corrective market force.
Meanwhile our president bragged on the campaign trail that he could stand in the middle of a NYC street and shoot someone and not lose any voters. We have federal agents brutally slaying innocent people on streets across the country while being treated like heroes.
“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody”
Didn’t Thompson get shot like a block away from 5th Ave?
Why are they bothering this Luigi guy?! There’s the asshole they need to be investigating!
He tripped.
The slaying wasn’t that brutal
A clean, point blank shot to the head is just about as un-brutal as it gets, as far as non-consensual deaths go
Consensual Death would be a good band name.
Do they take walk-ins?
A brutal slaying would be taking money from someone for years with the promise that if they get hurt, you will take care of them; and then when that occurs, you force them and their family through tons of beaurocracy before denying their help and consigning them to a slow death.
The editor should be fired for allowing such blatant bias to be published.
you’re not wrong.
How are the court hearings going for the cops that murder family members?
Whathhearings?
In the women’s restroom, Mangione’s supporters chatted among themselves about this proceeding.
Truely top-tier journalism
He’s so hot, OMG
The only crime here is that he is not my husband
Y’all need to look at the McDonald’s manager’s 911 call. She says that several customers are coming up to her and telling her it’s the guy from the shooting and then she goes on to describe him as wearing a medical mask and sunglasses, etc.
So some guy who is mostly covered up looks like a guy who is mostly covered up? Yeah right. And you’re telling me a ton of customers recognized him? Wtf
It was a bullshit call, they used NSA surveillance methods to track him. I’m not normally an unhinged conspiracy theorist but this time around I’m absolutely convinced they used everything in their toolbox to track him down since he was a threat to the status quo, instead of the usual school children which the rich are more than happy to sacrifice.
up to his arrest, evidence gathering, plus the facial recognition probably used AI as well(they already use it in some form for red light violations)
Free Luigi! Remember Remember the 4th of December. Jail the insurance CEO’s and Shareholders for mass murder!
Can someone help me understand? It honestly sounds like he really did it but very well could get off on a technicality which to me is fine. I’ve had so many loved ones kicked off health care during terminal diseases and I despise for-profit model of the industry.
But it really seems like he did it, yet I see so many people questioning that. I’m just curious why that is.
People are questioning it because the initial CCTV pictures of the murderer do not match Mangione’s features. They look similar enough for it to be pulled in as evidence - and further supported by the items confiscated from him during his arrest, but then again people are questioning the legitimacy of those things too - but the differences are visible enough for even a mid tier lawyer to argue that the CCTV recording is not of their client.
He is just a fall guy because they were determined to punish someone for the crime of daring to fight back against the ruling class. Just the claim that he was found with the murder weapon and a manifesto proving motive is enough to conclude that.
Even the most insane of murderers don’t carry around everything needed for conviction while out for lunch days later.
sounds like he really did it but very well could get off on a technicality
This is a suppression motion for unlawful search and seizure. To call this man’s 4th amendment rights a “technicality” is some Law and Order copaganda bullshit.
These suppression motions are already very difficult to win. Mr. Mangione will have to show not only that his rights were violated, but also that the cops would not have found the evidence through a different, legal means. So if he does win, it will not be “on a technicality.” It’s just the system ensuring that everyone’s constitutional rights are respected.
In addition to some alleged incongruity of the evidence, I think a lot of people actually think he did it but they want him to get away with it/don’t think what he did was wrong, and throwing mud in the water is a way to show support for him, albeit a somewhat disingenuous one.
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Part of it is that people are idiots and think if they keep saying “He didn’t do it, wink wink” it will mean anything (other than internet points (on a site that doesn’t track them…)).
Personally? I… don’t know if the world is a better place with Luigi Mangione out on the streets (seriously… actually read up on him) but I also have zero qualms with someone not being punished for offing a monster.
But that isn’t what is going to happen here. Some of the evidence will likely get thrown out. But there is also a LOT more evidence that we, the public, don’t know about. For example, you can very much bet that a MUCH more rigorous timeline, supported by Flock™ camera footage, of him in NYC has been documented. That combined with the actual footage of him (allegedly) doing it and the witnesses like the taxi driver (?) and hotel clerk?
He will probably escape some of the charges. He will not be walking free. And… he’ll probably get suicide’d in his cell within a year of being made an example of why you don’t kill the oligarchs.
Luigi Mangione fixed most of the bugs in Civ 6 regarding the UI.
I… don’t know if the world is a better place with Luigi Mangione out on the streets (seriously… actually read up on him)
Can you elaborate? I did read some when all this started and didn’t come across anything too bad.
A LOT of his social media included very weird views on human sexuality (e.g. sex toy bans) and outright praise for the unabomber. I’ve also seen a lot of claims that he espoused “anti-woke” ideologies but most of the sources I am finding are sketchy as hell. Although the LA Times article at least links to what I think is his twitter (that I personally can’t verify as I don’t have twitter)
A LOT of people want to view him as some champion of leftism. And… it is well worth remembering that a leftist political ideology does not mean much regarding views on social justice (as many people of color and trans folk can attest…). But the reality is that he probably is a lot closer to the “groyper” who shot kirk than anything else. Just another kid who got radicalized in deeply confusing and contradictory ways. And while I am not going to lose too much sleep over the outcome of HIS actions… I am increasingly terrified of how many batshit insane radicals with guns are out there whose ideology can be summed up as “4chan”.
Naw Louis G didn’t do it
Self defense. Actually self defense plus defending his fellows. I see no crime in this. Luigi is innocent!
Pretty sure his hearing is fine, not syre why he needs hearing tests
need to hear his fans in court.
This guy had to of known he was never getting out of prison and was likely to get a death sentence. Does it look like he gives a fuck? Sure he’ll try to win his case but this guy is prepared for the worst
I mean, he clearly wasn’t the shooter since he looks nothing like the guy from the video and the cops clearly planted evidence on him.
Man’s innocent! The prosecutions got nothing on him, this is hardly the first time they’ve got it wrong and ruined someone’s life: LA Olympic bombing, Unabomber, anthrax postal attacks, to name a few…
Luigi is just another in a long list of scapegoats.
