And there it is. The promised ‘vote on subsidies in december’ that the 6 dems cancelled the shutdown for. We all new what the outcome would be.
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
Idk. I’ve been told a bunch of them are Republicans and therefore they deserve to suffer.
Pretty sure that’s just a dishonest attempt to DARVO the people who acknowledge that republican voters don’t care about anything until it harms them directly.
Not just Republicans. Most voters are fixated on local and personal issues. National politicians typically have a free rein on foreign policy thanks to the significant disconnect between international affairs and voter household issues. To add to the problem, Presidents can’t be recalled. Judges serve for life. Senators hold office on six-year stretches. The only people who really face the wrath of a disgruntled populace on a regular basis are House Reps (and gerrymandering blunts that knife most election cycles).
If you really get under the hood of the GOP and ask what makes them tick, one thing that sticks out is the degree to which the fossil fuel industry’s presence in a district/state influences the number of Republican voters. Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are great textbook examples, with rises and falls in the profitability of petroleum products neatly tracking their success at electing conservative leaders.
One question you might want to ask, as a liberal who claims to love universal programs like health care and education and housing and public transportation, is why your own state leaders suck at it so much. California’s the 7th largest economy in the world. And they’ve got broad control over their Medicaid dollars, same as any other state. Why aren’t they doing Public Options or State Run Hospitals like their peers in Canada and the UK?
FFS, blood red Kentucky has a more leftwing health care system than anything in bright blue Washington State or New Jersey.
‘blood red’ Kentucky has one of the highest dependencies in federal programs in the country.
also, Mitch is just an awful “human”.
‘blood red’ Kentucky has one of the highest dependencies in federal programs in the country.
It’s home to a large military base and two of the nation’s twelve federal prisons.
Besides, if we’re being critically all-inclusive in the beneficiary of federal programs, the two biggest winners have been Silicon Valley, California and Lower Manhattan, NYC, with bright-blue
LangleyArlington, Virginia and Boeing HQ / Secondary Financial Capital Chicago, IL running close behind. The $22B Kentucky’s economy sees pales behind our Pentagon spending, our international shipping, and our multi-trillion dollar trade in US Treasuries.also, Mitch is just an awful “human”.
Like so many other powerful Senators, McConnell’s real power flows through his wife’s billionaire family. Her family ties to the lucrative Taiwanese shipping magnet, the Foremost Group, has made her husband’s support for US operations in the South Pacific pivotal to both their family fortune and American geopolitical dominance.
McConnell is actually a military transplant from Alabama, with family tied into the Redstone Arsenal and its attendant social circle. He’s been a political chameleon for most of his adult life, slipping seamlessly between Democrat and Republican circles through the Clinton and Bush Eras. He dumped his lefty-liberal activist Sherrill Redmon the same year Ronald Reagan won the presidency, then matched with his current anti-communist beau through Ambassador to Nepal under Bush 41, Julia Chang Bloch.
So much of Mitch’s position and policy have been directed by this political marriage. It’s got virtually nothing to do with the political character of Kentucky voters.
California has MediCal. It’s a weird system, but it works better than KY. I know I moved here from KY in 2016.
As someone who used to work at a pharmacy, Medi-Cal works because it’s allocated as part of the state budget along with Medicaid and they actually pay on time (with minimal 3rd party middlemen). Given the shit going on with Medicare Advantage now, that’s about the best you can hope for public coverage :)
So every person in the US deserves no health care and to die penniless, regardless of how they voted? That is what you are basically saying.
Hoping this is sarcasm mocking this kind of take.
Everyone deserves healthcare. This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”. It’s just treating politics as a team sport for entertainment; and not actually caring about it because you want positive change for the world you live in.
This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”.
I’m sure liberal has done this IRL. The desire to punish brown people for voting incorrectly is strongly bipartisan.
It’s allowing natural consequences to occur.
If they brought it about then yes, they do.
Did they bring it about? I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
Did they bring it about?
Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
Always laughable to hear republicans call for ‘entitlement reform’, because the reform is always ‘fuck you, you don’t get this anymore’. Or they sell the service to a private company who gets to wring you for every cent, then tell you ‘fuck you, pre-existing condition, go die’.
Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?
Giving every die hard Ted Cruz supporter a free pass
Did they bring it about?
Yes, clearly. They put these people in power. They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
The people who didn’t vote for Republicans don’t deserve it. The children and dependents of Republicans don’t deserve it. The adult voting Republicans do deserve it. They did it to themselves, I have zero guilt nor sympathy for them specifically.
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
I don’t. I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue. Also, health insurance has never been lumped in with this. Your argument that both parties wanted to end ACA subsidies is absolutely asinine and totally divorced from reality. More lazy “both sides” nonsense usually originating from people who want to feel superior to everybody while also not having to do any work.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
What Bloomberg campaign?
They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue.
Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years
What Bloomberg campaign?
He’s the thirteenth most prolific campaign financier in 2024
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
Yeah, and then you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism” and yelling about “death panels”. Did you forget? If you’re proud of that achievement, why did you reject it entirely four years later?
You’re seriously trying to act like we stole what you think was a good idea after the way you acted? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Republicans support nationwide universal healthcare? No one can be that stupid.
I don’t understand what you think you’re supporting with the Biden link. Your assertion was Republicans somehow didn’t bring about the situation they currently face. Did you forget, you fucking dumbass?
You seriously just some random thing that in no one supports your argument. You’re to pretend you never made that argument to begin with. I don’t even know what to say, how the fuck does that dispute the text you put it under?
You said that he “runs the party” and your link his 13th? How fucking stupid can you be? How is being 13th give him unilateral control over the party?
Stop making ridiculous you can’t even remotely support, it’s just fucking sad.
you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism”
Oh sure. That was half the joke of 2009. Insurance lobbyists going on TV and predicting America would become Venezuela for getting subsidized private coverage.
And Democrats were happy to play along. Lieberman filibustered the Public Option from within his own party because the TV news made the bill so unpopular
Financing and campaigning are two different things, though there’s an obvious link.
I don’t. It’s going to hurt the red states more. Even in the areas that aren’t red, more people went so far to the left they chose to support Trump or sit out the vote which helped secure his house and senate wins.
People are finally waking up to realize that elections have consequences and the latest elections are showing it.
Until it hurts someone you do like. My dude, that is the exact republican mentality we need to overcome eh?
Eh, at this point I’d be happy just to see a lot more graves with a red baseball cap hanging off them and an epitaph inscribed saying “I didn’t vote for this”.
They had, what, almost a decade to read the writing on the wall? Maybe two if you want to go all the way back to Bush (or four for Reagan)? I used to try to link resources for education when discussing with these people, explain the consequences of our own and others’ actions, and where have we ended up now anyway?
Fuck 'em. The more of them that die, the less problems my generation and my family and friends have to worry about in the future, and hey, maybe I can nab a cheap house at their bankruptcy auction.
MAGA ignorance is the result of the oligarchs war on the working class via destroying public education among a litany of other things.
Nothing about magas dying will prevent the cycle repeating.
Then the clear solution is that there should have been grassroot organizations that took charge and emphasized the importance of an educated citizenry…
Oh wait, there were. The response was that they banned books and criminalized areas of study (Critical Race Theory) that would give the citizenry the ability to reflect on history and their abuses. All of this occurred within the last 13 years, by the way.
Brain drain has already taken effect from those who took the emigration route out of their state to a place that valued them. If those of sound mind need to escape but are unable to afford, let I be the first one to donate to their plane or train ticket. As for the rest of the state, let it fail. Let it self destruct. Allow the Kansas Experiment to repeat until nothing is left but the hollow shells of buildings.
Exactly. These people are probably producing lots and lots of mini-mes. Cons may rebrand out of being “maga” into something else, just like they tried to make “tea party” a thing, but it is the same old shit in a different box - the oligarchs will whip up division - the old favorite is of course along racial lines, but lately, there has been a big helping of anti-trans rhetoric, and also a huge addition of inter-generational conflict, and I see lots of the so-called “left” buying into that, and… holy shit is that stupid. But I digress. Anyway, the oligarchs whip up this division, get a lot of idiots voting for Republicans so they can “hurt the right people” or lots of tankie type morons sitting out or lodging protest votes for the unelectable because “gerontocracy” or whatever the fuck, and then, of course, get lots of policies that funnel more money and power upwards…
People keep thinking the younger generations will save us and I want to believe it, but just don’t see the evidence. If anything, I see them getting sucked into a vortex of red-pill bullshit on the various platforms at very impressionable ages and with very little life experience or wisdom to counter it. At least when boomers or gen-xers or older Gen Y were/are getting exposed to things like this as well as Faux, they had experience prior to encountering it…
I definitely think many have even less media literacy and less critical thinking skills than prior generations, since conservatives have been doing everything possible to chip away at anything like that in public schools. Texas Republicans even had opposition to critical thinking in their platform…
As a Gen Z who has gone to great lengths to ensure I have the education needed to engage with these issues honestly, and who is surrounded by colleagues of a similar level of understanding in my state (California), I heavily dispute your statement.
Its OK to dispute it, but you understand that you’re basically describing a filter bubble, right? You’re well educated and surround yourself with well educated people, but that’s not something that will describe the average person. Its a bit naive to assume that because you understand these topics and surround yourself with others of your ilk, your peers are doing the same.
Millennials had plenty of people who were well educated and could engage openly and honestly about hard topics. But they’re outnumbered by those that choose not to think too deeply. Just like Gen X, Boomers, etc. And unfortunately, without any evidence of the contrary, its a safe assumption that your generation will run along the same lines. I really hope I’m wrong. But as they say, hope in one hand…
That’s great, but that’s anecdotal. Please show me how education has improved in the areas of critical thinking and media literacy in the aggregate. I’d love to be wrong about this.
Fuckin A brother. I grew up on the hopium of making changes and leave the world a better place but giant swathes of people would rather see it all burn just so they can show the other side they were right.
Me n mine are doing what we can to survive whatever the hell happens and just be happy in our little slice of heaven as independent as we can be.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence, why would you give a shit about trying to appease the other side and shake their hand lol.
But hey, if you got a place where people accept each other and are willing to work together for a better future, good for you. I’m just hoping I don’t get dragged away from my family, and to outlive those who try.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence
The bipartisan war on drugs is decades old.
You sound exactly like them eh.
You sound exactly like the type that would rather attack people than look for common ground or understanding. Peace.
well then if it’s hurting the right people
Anyone who was surprised by this needs to retire from having political opinions of any kind, to say nothing of such people who actually hold any political power.
The former should develop humility and realize they are idiots.
The latter should be maimed, defrauded of their wealth, and then forced to endure their own system.
I’m sure Schumer’s brow is extra furrowed today.
Glasses just dangling off the tip of his nose.
Schumer didn’t vote to end the shut down.
Goddamn, misinformation is fucking rampant here. You guys don’t even remotely care about the truth, do you? You just want everything to confirm your biases.
If Schumer doesn’t want to be blamed for the Democrats caving then he shouldn’t be minority leader.
So the argument isn’t that he caved. The argument is that he doesn’t have total control over other Senators?
That’s stupid as fuck. He can’t control other Senators, you fucking dumbass. Senators are responsible to their constituency, not the informal party leader.
The fact that you guys NEVER list the eight Democrats that actually did vote to end it and ONLY put the blame on Schumer, despite that making no sense, is ridiculous. It’s plainly obvious that the truth does not matter to you. Schumer did exactly what you said you wanted him to do but now you’re crucifying him anyway because he’s the “evil establishment” Democrat. You picked sides LONG before this, you never had any intention of judging Schumer fairly.
Schumer negotiated the deal, scheduled the vote, and arranged for enough Senators not facing election in 2026 so he could vote against it.
Schumer negotiated the deal,
That is an absolute fucking lie. You should be ashamed of yourself, intentionally spreading misinformation like this, We get enough of that from the right.
Zero proof for any of your convenient assertions.
I’m sure he’ll be having frantic conversations with the
split personalitiesalternate identitiesmental fabrications of the “median voter” he’s constructed in his head.That’s not really a joke, for nearly two decades now, he basically invented multiple, imagined “median voters” in his head, gave them complex backstories, frequently refers to them as if they are real, frequently cites “conversations” he has with them, in writing, to justify/explain his thinking process.
Hooray for the gerontocracy, long live decree by dementia!
I wish those glasses could get embedded in his skull in multiple jagged pieces.
Yay, Senate Dems caved for absolutely fucking nothing!
GOOD thing the Democrats SHUT DOWN the Government for This!
Don’t worry, they’ll get another chance to do it again in January.
This time it’ll be different, I bet!
Look look look, we just gotta keep taking the moral high road and meeting them in the middle. Eventually they’ll help us out. They can’t keep pulling the football like Lucy with Charlie Brown EVERY SINGLE TIME.
It will, in the sense that the US Treasury is now shifting massive amounts of its debt burdern from longer term bond issuance(5y, 10y, 30y), to shorter term (3m) debt, and then just trying to keep refinancing it, every 3 months.
The Federal Reserve has now lost the ability to actually set bond market intetest rates.
They can raise or lower the interest rate, the bond market is currently laughing at that and setting their own interest rates.
So, what that means is, the next government shutdown will result in even more economic destruction and chaos, even more things we have long taken for granted just disintegrating.
Actually they ended the shut down for this.
NOT true! They COULD have Ended the Shutdown BEFORE the 40 Days and had the EXACT SAME outcome! But they CHOSE to Shut Down the Government INSTEAD!
Are you saying that they never should have shut down the government to begin with?
Chuck Schumer is a piece of shit
Schumer didn’t cave.
please, there are two options here, neither is good for Schumer. Either, he’s ineffectual party leader (whether by not knowing or not having control)… OR he orchestrated it to maintain “plausible” deniability.
I strongly suspect we have a significant number of Dino sleepers in Congress. Either outright sleepers or close enough to simply be purchasable or blackmailable.
I strongly suggest you’re an idiot that chooses to believe things without proof because it “feels right”. The EXACT same logic as Trumpers.
Well look at that, a wild block appeared
So you want a “party leader” to literally control all other politicians in their party? That’s representative democracy to you? What “control” is he supposed to have?
What a stupid fucking argument. He doesn’t have a goddamn mind control device and Senators are individuals that make their own decisions.
Just admit the truth. You criticize Schumer BY DEFAULT no matter what he does. That’s what this boils down to. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re moving the goalposts. You are literally incapable of admitting that he did something you agree with.
Yeah what a coincidence that all the representatives that broke the shutdown weren’t up for re-election next time. Very convenient! I’m sure there was zero coordination to decide who would break rank.
But even if there wasn’t any of that, Chuck still bears responsibility for the failure of the shutdown even if you don’t want to admit it.
Chuck led the shutdown. For better or for worse, it failed to accomplish its goal. Ultimately more responsibility falls on him as minority leader than anyone else. It’s not insane to want someone who coordinates a major gambit like a government shutdown to be capable of keeping the other representatives from breaking rank to accomplish the goal of the shutdown. Coordinating votes is literally a huge part of the job as majority or minority leader. It’s disingenuous to say expecting a party leader in the house to line up votes is contrary to representative democracy.
Just admit the truth, you’ll suck Chuck off no matter what he does. You’re literally incapable of not sucking his dick
He literally gave the republicans what they wanted in exchange for a vote that would make zero material difference in the lives of his constituents.
He is the leader, but couldn’t or wouldn’t whip his party to hold the line, and defended the perfidious weasels who caved.
defended the perfidious weasels who caved.
Another fucking lie from the “virtuous far left”. He criticized their votes.
What the fuck are you talking about? NO HE DID NOT. He was NOT one of the Democrats who voted to end the shut down.
You know being progressive isn’t an excuse to be downright dishonest, right?
OK, if he didn’t approve of their votes, what has he done to punish the democrats who did? Nothing at all? Weird.
Ok do you’ve abandoned your original premise, proving you’re a lying sack of shit.
On the your next point, Schumer isn’t a fucking school principal dumbass, how is he going to “punish” them? What the fuck do you think a minority/majority leader does exactly?
Fake fucking progressives gloating about sinking Democrats and letting Trump run wild.
My premise is that he was responsible for the party he leads caving, hence why the ones who actually voted weren’t punished.
He can punish them be taking them off committee assignments. The most basic function of a political party is to be able to negotiate as a bloc.
The leader of the minority party is a piece of shit for…not convincing enough members of the majority maga party to vote against party lines ?
To these people, he’s a piece of shit no matter what. They’ve decided that “establishment” Democrats are even more of an enemy than Republicans. No matter what Schumer does, they will always criticize him for it.
Yeah apparently so. -7 downvotes (and counting) for me trying to figure out why they’re blaming the minority leader for this…I am so confused.
I’m not sure if this is maga on lemmy trying to make the dems look bad, or if it’s russian trolls pretending to be dem supporters sick of the establishment or something else but whatever it is, putin has definitely got what he paid for.
The way a lot of people act on here, I hope you’re right. Because it gives a VERY bad impression of the left. It feels much more “MAGA” than I’d like.
You’re right though, if I were a Russian troll, the “stupid liberal” would be the character I’d choose.
If someone from the right had said this, you would think they’re irrational cultists just trying to support their cult. I used to think the left is the way to go, but after coming here, not so much.
These are some of the most horrible people in our society. They should be unable to enter into any contract or have custody over any living being.
They should all be shot
Its a condition. Kids are being born everyday who lack empathy. They are a clear minority though. They should be identified and prevented from letting their emotional blindness harming others.
Welk, look at Ted Cruz the nost loathed politician in Texas… And keeps getting reelected. You’d think for just ONE electoral cycle folks would just vote Dem and be rid of the turd … but nope.
That is the problem. Most people are incapable of seeing these people for what they are. Rafael uses a proffered name. He wants to be called Ted but wants to deny that for others. Its pretty clear what kind of person he is but they keep voting for him.
It must be frustrating to be caught between two parties, of which one is straight up evil, and the other is just spineless and craven, while both are corrupt. Honestly, y’all should just break it all down and start all over again. Your democracy is broken.
BoTh SidEs
One has a felon pedophile as president, they must be the same.
You’re right. LOSING to a known rapist is even worse.
I swear they play a game of chicken with the voters every fucking election. How shitty can they get away with being and still win the election. Well they openly snubbed their base and lost.
The establishment Democrats really are just controlled opposition. They’d rather throw an election than move to the left.
Go ahead explain how “shitty” Harris was, essentially a younger Biden, someone you had no problem voting for just 4 years prior.
Let’s hear it. Let’s hear, specifically, why you think she would be worse than Trump. I’m so sick of people acting like Harris was the only one in the election. Voting or refusing to vote to “punish” a party is childish and obviously counterproductive. It makes it clear that your so dearly held beliefs are nothing more than props.
Biden is a pile of shit and I hated voting for him.
Yeah, not sure why they assume I had “no problem” voting for Biden. I did so rather begrudgingly.
They are making rather ridiculous assumptions in their comment. No one is talking specifically about Harris other than them.
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Yeah, what’s it like making that happen? Are you proud of yourself?
Pedo-nald being the head of the republican party is a gift to the democrats, who can’t run a fucking campaign for shit. I really wanted Kamala to win, but goddamn if she didn’t absolutely fuck it up. Between not being able to be the nominee from the start (Thanks
ObamaBiden!) and campaigning along side republicans while being rather tone deaf in her messaging did not help her cause in the slightest.Ignoring the more reasonable side’s fuckups because the other side is an active garbage dump fire is only going to push us farther along the same path. Maybe democrats will finally learn their lesson and actually campaign for the people instead of their donors. Actually run on a platform to help people, and maybe people will actually vote for them. Worked in '08, and while I’m not naive enough to fall for ‘hope and change’ again, it would be nice to feel like the person I’m voting for actually gave a fuck.
Pedo-nald being the head of the republican party is a gift to the democrats, who can’t run a fucking campaign for shit. I
Explain exactly what you mean that. I’m tired of generalities. What specifically makes you say that?
Because I thought she ran a good campaign. She was aggressive, she whipped his ass in the debate, she was willing to do interviews with friendly and hostile media organizations. She wasn’t just “not Trump”, she had a platform with a bunch of policy ideas that I guarantee a large portion of the people taking part in the discussion here on Lemmy are unaware of.
You didn’t give Harris a chance. You wanted to “punish” Democrats. All you did was make everything worse for everybody.
I’m not going to bother engaging with any of your comment other than this bit:
You didn’t give Harris a chance. You wanted to “punish” Democrats. All you did was make everything worse for everybody.
I voted for her and wanted her to win 🤡🤡🤡. Which should have been obvious if you bothered to actually read my comment.
Go back and look through my comment history and show me where any of your lazy and thoughtless accusation came from, other than me not showing unconditional approval for the Dems nominee.
I will not hold the person I vote for above scrutiny, and I only have contempt for the idiots who do.
Edit: and do you really need me to spell out how tone deaf she was supporting Israel and saying the economy was great? Or that she wasn’t the nominee for a large chunk of the race?
How about the other party was so damn foolishly incompetent they couldn’t win against a well-known racist, misogynistic, fraud, felon, and also a pedophile. See I can change the narrative too.
You love to turn it as “BoTh SidEs” when the parent comment doesn’t even equate them, shows how cultist you can be.
If you can’t go beyond taking every little criticism as an attack on your identity, equating both sides and calling them Russian bots, you kinda get what you deserve.
How about the other party was so damn foolishly incompetent they couldn’t win against a well-known racist, misogynistic, fraud, felon, and also a pedophile. See I can change the narrative too.
How about the fucking dumbasses that refused to vote for Harris and let Trump win? What’s their justification? Did they forget who Trump is? Did they forget he had more criminal trials coming?
Are they not responsible for their choice? The Democratic party MADE THEM DO THAT? What a load of fucking bullshit.
Harris beat Trump so badly in their one debate that Trump was afraid to debate again. She campaigned extensively and did a ton of interviews with friendly and unfriendly organizations.
What did Harris do that was so different from Biden, aside from her not being a white man?
I’m tired of these pathetic fucking excuses while I see the country torn apart by this fucking maniac. It’s not the party’s fault. It’s not the DNC’s fault. This time, it’s the voters fault.
Why don’t you explain to me what exactly was so horrible that it justifies 10 million less people voting for her than did for Biden just four years prior?
Because that’s something you tend to leave out when you engage in your good times diatribe circle jerks.
She was worse option than the rapist bro. That’s what the polls showed. Just get over it and face reality. Your lords don’t care about you.
Republicans being worse is no excuse for democrats being dog shit. Republicans continue to lower the bar and the democrats follow them while leaving just enough space to be considered different, but what we end up with is a continual decline regardless.
Republicans being worse is no excuse for democrats being dog shit.
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for giving Republicans a free pass like this. What a stupid fucking attitude. Way to make it plain that all of the issues you claim to care about don’t matter to you at all. Kids are getting ripped out of grade school and sent across the county, put into ICE detention and deported to fuck knows where. You try to take the moral high ground, like you care about the people now suffering? No. Absolutely not. You spit directly in the face of those people just so you could “stick it to the man” like a high school freshman. Pathetic. And you think Harris was that much WORSE than this?
You acted like there was only one person in the race,. The choice is which side you think better benefits your views. Do you understand? Anything less means you don’t care about those views. You DO NOT get to claim you care about those issues when you ACTIVELY make their situations significantly worse. It is just fucking beyond stupid and irresponsible to equate a serious and capable politician with a con man, carnival barker, convicted felon pedophile. THAT is what you helped bring to power. You’re a Trump supporter. You don’t get to pretend that reality isn’t the way it is.
Did you defeat the two party system, champ? No, you didn’t. Good job.
There is no logical way to argue that Trump and his psychotic policies and sheer incompetence is in any way comparable, let alone BETTER THAN Harris. It’s non-sensical bullshit. You fucking selfish assholes spend all your time in echo chambers doing things like bemoaning “Biden’s crime bill” while being sure to NEVER mention that Sanders voted for that same bill. That doesn’t jive with your propaganda though, does it? I believe I also heard Sanders make positive comments about Trump’s immigration policy, isn’t it funny how that never comes up in your echo chambers? You’re not interested in truth, you don’t care about Bernie Sanders. You don’t care about what Bernie Sanders stands for.
Guess who Sanders told you vote for? Guess who has never claimed he was “cheated”? Bernie Sanders has integrity and understands that some progress is ALWAYS better than drastic regression. You do not have integrity, you have no real beliefs, you’re in the liberal personality cult and you morons will be a stain on Bernie’s legacy. History will remember your dedication to him when you outright refused his voting suggestion. When you told him you’d rather have Trump because, somehow in your convoluted fucked-up mind, that signals loyalty to Bernie. It doesn’t. You stabbed Bernie in the back and set back progress on issues he cares about for decades if not worse. Amazing you agree with everything he says, EXCEPT THAT.
Not even a fucking SINGLE year in to Trump’s term and it is already an unmitigated disaster. You own a small amount of responsibility. I don’t. It’s not my fault for voting for the Democratic candidate. I didn’t make you sit out. YOU are the only one responsible for your decision. Now you want sit here and act like the Democrats “made you do it”? No, you made an incredibly stupid decision that you can’t even remotely justify. You threw a hissy fit because you didn’t get exactly what you wanted.
I don’t know how you can think I’m giving a free pass to republicans when right in the part you quoted I’m saying they’re worse than democrats. I skimmed the rest of your moralizing lecture and you’ve made a hilarious strawman that doesn’t represent me at all, but I hope you enjoyed your masturbation session, “champ”.
Like I said, one is straight up evil. Although, don’t think for a second there are no pedophiles on the other side. That would just be naive.
They’re not the same, silly! One is the good cop and one is the bad cop.
They do have some similarities, though. They are both pro-corporate and anti-union.
So what happens now? Do those Democrat senators provide their own swords to fall on, or do they get beheaded? What’s the protocol here for senators who have failed as entirely as they have?
Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.
History largely proves otherwise…
Very recent history shows Republican senators are almost entirely to blame.
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Yeah, that was 200 years ago. We have better ways to handle things now.
no, we really don’t. 200 years is nothing on the scale of humanity. We have Nazi’s resurging, the south trying to rise again. We have peaceful protests trying to be outlawed and the administration regularly calling for the death of their opponents.
None of this will change without the thread of violence, and likely they’ll call on that.
The violent coup in DC a few years ago was just them telling us they were ready to be violent.
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Diplomacy, conflict resolution, etc. Not really motivated to fight against the tide of lemmy people sipping koolaid. But if you step outside the echo chamber, it’s mostly common sense.
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Kinda funny how you’re talking about an echo chamber when you yourself are just repeating the mainstream media talking points about diplomacy. There is a reason why they promote peaceful solutions, it’s because they’re easier to ignore or quash.
How is wanting to avoid civil war “mainstream”? I mean sure, go and promote revolution from the comfort of your climate controlled box with modern amenities, detached from the horrors of war. The feds have tanks.
Right, that’s why I brought up the seppuku first.
That’s still a violent thing to wish on people.
Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.
Changes made during peace only last until someone willing to be violent undoes them.
Changes must come with a small amount of fear of retribution on reversal, or capitalism/authoritarianism will come and eat your lunch.
The capability for violence should peaceful means fail does
The American Revolution, the violent uprising that gave these assholes governmental power, proves otherwise.
Though the ideas espoused for the revolution might be grand, the cause and motivation behind those who joined the revolution was purely monetary.
- Rich didn’t like being taxed so they made their slaves join the army.
- George Washington didn’t like the fact that the British having lost the French Indian war made a pact with the Indians which stopped his business of prospecting.
The American revolution was a war of businessmen against the government in England. The government was and is the same; in the past only rich, land owning white men could vote or form government. Now it is the corporations or rich white men.
Wasn’t saying they were good or bad. Just that revolution is violent and it works
There have been a few that weren’t violent, too. Portugal, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine getting rid of their Russian-installed quisling, South Korea.
I say this as an American. Half the “Founding Fathers” were slave owners and did not see a problem with subgrating other humans into forced labor. The American enterprise has been a business all the way back to the first white man setting foot on this continent. I guess I just proved you talking point.
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“How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”
as Samuel Johnson argued during the American revolution. Apologies for unenlightened 18th-century language.
It is OK. I got my Masters in 18th and 19th century lit. Johnson was right on the money with that quote and I say that as an American.
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Please tell me again how these fucks the FUCKS YOU elected “represent us”… y’all need to stop watching the billionaire owned media and understand how fucked up this shit is and do better use your critical thinking skills (if you have ANY) which are lacking right now and it’s savage that y’all don’t even know it!!!
“Obama’s policies aren’t gonna kill us.” It’s 100% Trump because he’s willing to put America citizens at risk of his billionaire friends!!
I am done being a millennial trying to work my ass off while I am dealing with crisis after crisis after national crisis after crisis after crisis, we can only do so much in own generation and y’all keep blaming us for this shit! It’s savage!!!
Stop telling us healthcare cannot be a thing where we are paying billions for wars that we don’t even believe in!!!
Hey everyone, just buy TWO pencils for your kids. Having 37 pencils was obviously keeping you from being able to afford health care. THANKS, OBAMA!
Also, if you are not a billionaire or at least a centimillioniare, it is your fault! Too much avocado toast, having a daily latte, a large screen TV, a smart phone, and Netflix, I think.
So they kept their promise and held a vote? Amazing!
Who will people blame when they cannot afford medical care?
Cause Luigi is a folk hero, and all the people responsible for this should live in fear of the bullseye’s they have painted themselves with.
Storm brewing.
Luigi is a conservative that promotes people and policies that prevent universal healthcare.
Him being a “folk hero” just proves how stupid people in this country can be.
Biden.
Youre right, democrats should have prosecuted trump.
I’m shocked!
Also, fuck you congress repubs, and fuck you Schmucker.
Schumer didn’t cave. He didn’t vote to end the shutdown. Put the blame where it belongs.
AHAHAHAHAHA, must be one big fucking coincidence that all the people who caved aren’t up for re-election this next round, huh?
Totally not a co-ordinated cave
So you have no proof whatsoever. You guys are essentially Trumpers just on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Factual reality just does not matter to you. Just “vibes”. It’s absolutely pathetic.
First and foremost, he voted against it. You have no proof that he only did so because he coordinated with others to vote for it. That’s a conspiracy that you have concocted because you HAVE to believe Schumer is evil because you’ve already decided that he is.
He opposed it on the floor. He was NOT part of the group of Democrats that negotiated with Republicans.
The shut down was ended by the choice of individual Senators, not a party-wide dictum. The reasons they gave, right or wrong, were based on their constituencies. Some over SNAP. Some because they represent a good deal of federal workers and got concessions from Republicans on that front.
Durbin said Schumer had nothing to do with it and that Schumer was “not happy” about it.
Only Durbin and Shaheen have said they’re retiring at the end of their current term. That’s only 2 out of the 8 Democrats that voted fort he stopgap.
Schumer is your boogeyman “establishment” scapegoat that you have NO ISSUE being blatantly dishonest about because you think your particular misinformation and conspiracy theories are morally justified. They’re not.
You guys will stop at nothing to continue to ensure Republicans destroy this country.
First and foremost, he voted against it. You have no proof that he only did so because he coordinated with others to do so.
Lol, this your first time following national politics on a controversial issue? Or are you naive enough to think that a POLITICIAN won’t play POLITICS? You’re right that I have no proof, but the Democratic party has long lost the benefit of the doubt in my mind. I still vote for them because there’s no other option, but I’m not going to pretend like their shit doesn’t stink.
You guys will stop at nothing to continue to ensure Republicans destroy this country.
Classic response for pointing out how CONVENIENT the expected democratic belly roll ends up being. Also, way to completely disregard the actual point while you’re busy defending the shit moves the Dems make
must be one big fucking coincidence that all the people who caved aren’t up for re-election this next round, huh?
Only Durbin and Shaheen have said they’re retiring at the end of their current term. That’s only 2 out of the 8 Democrats that voted fort he stopgap.
Most, but not all, previously held state-level office — including four former governors. Most, but not all, come from presidential swing states. Two have announced they are retiring from the Senate after their current terms end, and two are senior members of the Senate Appropriations Committee.
None are up for reelection in 2026.
But yeah, the person who wants the democratic party to fight for the people instead of rolling over is totally wanting the republicans to win.
Go back to the circus 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
He caved in exchange for a vote he knew would fail and logrolled the votes so that the I’ll informed would think he didnt have a hand in it.
The shutdown was painful, but what comes next will be a lot more painful.
He caved
No, he did not cave because he did not vote for the stopgap. He was not involved in the group of Democrats that negotiated with Republicans. Saying he “caved” is 100% false.
for a vote he knew would fail
The vote passed, it didn’t fail. Somehow I’m not surprised that such fundamental details are lost on you. Assuming you meant he knew that it would pass, you have no proof whatsoever to back up the assertion that he only voted against it due to that and not due to other reasons. No, your hatred of Schumer and “establishment” Democrats is not proof.
Angus King isn’t even a Democrat.
logrolled the votes so that the I’ll informed would think he didnt have a hand in it.
You guys can’t seem to decide if Schumer is all-powerful or completely powerless.
The shutdown was painful, but what comes next will be a lot more painful.
I agree. Ending the shut down was a mistake and killed momentum they had gained from recent elections. Not too mention giving credence to the idea that they’re weak. The eight Senators who voted for the stopgap are the ones we should be criticizing but I never see them named in these threads. You’re not interested in the truth, you’re only interested in furthering your agenda.
You’re deliberately misreading what I said, and if you think that he didn’t know or wasn’t part of the negotiation as to exactly who was going to vote to end the shutdown amongst senators who wanted it to end but didn’t want their fingerprints on it, I have several pieces of waterfront property for sale. For their part, senators Durbin, King, Hassan, Shaheen, Masto, Rozen, Fetterman and Kaine should not have a place within the Democratic party (Also Manchin, Sinema had she not already fucked off of her own accord).
If you want to be a pedant, there has been no vote on the ACA subsidies other than a failed cloture vote. The vote to re-open the govt passed. The agreement to have a vote on the ACA subsidies was the “compromise” that was the condition of voting to pass the appropriations bill and end the shutdown.
Schumer is neither all-powerful or completely powerless, but he is the leader of his party in the Senate, so he is ultimately responsible for actions taken by Senate democrats. He is either insufficiently committed or insufficiently competent, for the family who’s health insurance costs become unaffordable, it doesn’t really matter which.
Dems are weak because they can’t win elections because they fail to deliver results (because they can’t win elections). The shutdown was the only real lever that they were able to pull unilaterally, they picked the right hill to die on, and ultimately accomplished nothing.
My agenda is being able to leave my job for a year to focus on finishing a degree and a couple of professional licenses without completely wiping out what little savings I’m able to scrape together by delaying every other financial goal and for my peers to have an easier time with similar hard choices. Whatever makes that happen, yeah, I’m fine with.
Hey republicans, when your grandparents die because they can no longer afford the healthcare they thought they had for life, just remember to thank yourself and your lard in savor…. These deaths that will follow from people losing their insurance will be on your hands whether you think so or not. Merry Grimas!!!
They don’t care, they are voting for racism. Ig grandma might die in order to keep a black man out of the whitehouse, then that’s a risk they are willing to take.
These people suck, and have no shame.
Trump was literally responsible for covid shitshow in US, killing thousands.
The base stands for what he is: racist, misogynist, fraud, a felon, and a pedophile, not what he does.
What he does is irrelevant.
People with terminal illnesses and wounds are not bound by any law of this world. They are completely free to do anything their hearts desire with no regard to the consequences.
