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Walk 10 mins…? What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away. The nearest fast food to me would be like just shy of a 2 hour walk at an avg pace.
For most people getting anywhere is like 8-12 miles here in America if not further.
Pretty much every country except for the USA seems to be a bull shit magic fantasy land. At least when living in any kind of larger city.
The US is doing very badly. Growing up it was a 3 mile walk to the nearest gas station let alone anywhere that served food.
Usually was unsafe to walk that since there were no sidewalks and I’d be charged by at least 3 dogs in the way.
One time I tried to start exercising and decided to walk down my road. I had a cop circle me for 20 minutes, and 3 people offered me a ride which was nice but they were so confused that I was just walking
Canada is the same as USA in that regard. The only restaurant in 10 minutes walking distance to my place is Wendy’s. Anything good is 30 to 60 minutes walk or 5-10 minutes drive.
As an European, this is bullshit. 10 minutes walking (5km/h) is 830m, living at 415m in walking distance (not air) from a restaurant is statistically unlikely for anyone not living in a city center. Let alone actually having more than one choice.
Hi, yes, that’s a very USian issue. We here don’t believe in the separation of residential and commercial areas.
Sim City taught me that causes something called “congestion “ and the sims get pretty pissed about it.
Seems like USAians are very happy with congestion.
I’m in New York City. There’s maybe a dozen food places within ten minutes. There’s more, but some of them may be in the 15-20 minute range. Several million people live here.
What hell do you live in that’s so remote?
Literally any suburb.
Anywhere that is not a city? Each time these things come up, I become more and more convinced that city dwellers have no clue what it is like to live anywhere else.
I become more and more convinced that city dwellers have no clue what it is like to live anywhere else.
It’s just that the vast majority of people live in cities. So whatever some rural people are doing - good. But maybe y’all need to cook and not expect some poor person to work 80h/week hauling your soggy fast food around just to break even - that’s not far from slavery.
If you can regularly afford delivery you’re certainly way better off than them.
Yes and no, most people do live in cities (if we’re still talking about the US), but a minority of those cities are actually walkable. And many cities are limited in what areas are walkable.
It’s hard to find data on this obviously, so I can only speak anecdotally. Take a city like Dallas for example the core portion can be walkable, but it very quickly turns into un-walkable sprawl. Cities like Seattle and New York are very walkable. Then you have cities like Jacksonville and Orlando that are absolutely un-walkable.
I’d wager that more population lives in this un-walkable areas since the cores usually host buisnesses instead of apartments
Ok but if cities are not walkable, just don’t get food delivered on the regular.
You really just have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
The idea that the core of Dallas is walkable is hilarious. There are portions of DFW that have been specifically curated to be walkable, but they’re usually akin to a theme park. You drive there, park in a giant parking lot (or worse, just endless strips of store front parking), then walk around what is effectively an outdoor shopping mall.
I was asking which specific hell they live in, but clearly I did not phrase my question clearly.
Man, I grew up in the country and I feel like it took practically no time to get what city living is like (currently live in one). You really are proud of having no idea what other ways of life are like? It’s supposed to be rural people that are the ignorant ones.
No, I was asking about which specific hell they live in. edit: not specific like “give me your address” but like, suburb, countryside, whatever. Maybe I shouldn’t post before breakfast.
Fair enough, but honestly 99% of the places you can live in America are like that or worse. Your mind would be blown if you took a road trip in the American southwest. I drove on one highway in new Mexico that didn’t have cell service for a 2 hour stretch. More than an hour between gas stations. And I actually saw homes people lived in out there.
I’ve lived in the suburbs and traveled around the US a fair amount. I think sometimes about a time I was in suburban Illinois, and we were like “maybe we can order some food.” Opened up google maps and it was a wasteland. I think there was like one KFC open in the area.
My mind is more blown by why people defend living like that. Or actively choose it. It’s a horrible kind of place to live.
Ok, fine, sometimes there are tradeoffs. A guy I know bought a house out in the sticks someplace in the northeast. Has a yard for his kids. It’s not too expensive. But it’s a long-ass drive to get anywhere, and there’s nothing to do. Not a trade I would make.
I think we are pretty much on the same exact page actually. Having grown up in a place that pretty much is a wasteland but is also far from the worst place, I also wonder how anyone chooses it. But on the other hand for a lot of people it doesn’t feel like a choice even if it technically is. Some people just can’t imagine leaving their friends and family behind.
If I had my perfect living situation, I would live in the woods but still be a safe 20 min bike ride from a bustling city. That would be the best of both worlds imo. Seems like a pipe dream really, other than maybe in Colorado, sort of. Denver didn’t seem like it would be my favorite city when I briefly visited.
well I have like 10 restaurants within 10 mins walk…
One of the “perks” of living in poor parts of a city is having fast food within walking distance.
What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away.
The American mind literally cannot comprehend the default state of being in Europe
Yes we are so used to living in hell
Plus this meme is literally an example of European brain being unable to comprehend American City planning (or lack thereof)
Also there are smaller towns in more rural Europe where it is a pain just to get down to the Main Street in the village where all the stores are. But you won’t hear about that on Lemmy.
I love my 20 minute walk to the train station where the train I need to go into town only runs once an hour! What ever could you mean?
Honestly though I still like i better than the US, but i do miss the convince of driving
I come from a teeny tiny village in Germany where, when I still lived there, the only commercial establishment was a bakery and I think that’s gone now too. It’s not because of any deliberate planning though like they seem to do in the US.
My lazy as SIL and her boyfriend will doordash food that’s a block away from the house.
Ok, just replace the word “walk” with “drive” and the point still stands for most of the rest of america. In fact it shows even more laziness as driving is much easier.
I am so glad to be living in Seattle. I have at least 2 food trucks at breweries a 2 min walk away, sometimes 4 trucks. There’s also a Chinese place we love going to once a month for their to go boxes that’s about 6 mins away. But don’t live downtown or apartments all around (not that it would be bad, just making a point). It’s great to be walkable without all the noise.
Other cities need this but we gotta get rid of suburbia and most lawns really.
This was the biggest culture shock I saw moving to NORAM, and other is MRP(maximum retail price). Back home, nearest convenience store sells an item at same price as any other place except for bulk grocery.
While I think these apps are exploitative on both sides (exploiting laziness/convenience and exploiting workers), I think implying that people who use delivery services are racist, classist, or both, is a very “internet” thing to do.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas. A little walk in the real world, as opposed to Lemmy or Twitter or Bluesky, might help rebalance things.
Consider folks with disabilities or those who don’t own cars. I really don’t see the problem of a delivery service like DoorDash or UberEats that would pay its workers a living wage.
The reason those are unethical is that they don’t treat their workers as employees, and don’t pay enough. If someone started a generic-delivery service that used employed workers that are paid a living/thriving wage, didn’t request tips, had set fees, had customer service reps, and maybe had workers wear cams while on the shift as a security measure… would that not be worth supporting?
Hey, I totally agree with you.
The concept behind these apps is fine, even helpful. I’ve used these types of apps when I’ve been unwell and couldn’t get to the shops. I’m not forgetting people who are disabled. I don’t own a car.
I agree, an app that provided a similar service that took care of its employees would be fine. An app that provided a similar service without jacking the prices up massively and pushing junk food would be great.
I know and agree with you that the poor treatment and underpayment of workers is a problem.
Yes, of course your alternative app would be worth supporting.
We do not seem to be in any disagreement here.
If we all stop using the app, does it benefit these gig workers?
No, but the social conditions that allow the gig economy to even exist hurts gig workers. As usual, a systemic issue is being framed as a matter of consumer choice.
No.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas.
Don’t worry I will have to go to my horrible laboring job.
The kind that only lower class minorities work? /s in case it wasn’t obvious
Yes that one. Literally mostly lower class minorities. Why the sarcasm?
Are you familiar with the clip of that person saying like, “Well Mr Trump, if you deport all the Mexicans, who will clean your toilets?”
I’m only asking cos this feels like the same situation. I think you’re pointing at a wider problem which is legit, but the way you’re expressing it is really hamfisted.
I think the problem here is that I didn’t make the meme and wouldn’t have made it about minorities. I think it’s bad that someone has to deliver food for a bad living, no matter the race.
But I find a lot of people here are making excuses about how they really really need their nuggies delivered by people deliberately kept poor and they can’t just put frozen ones into the oven themselves.
Ha, yeah I’m on board with your second point, man.
Thank you that’s nice. There have been special situations, where even I have ordered delivery. Also not everyone needs to have the exact same rules for this as me.
But still, I see this with acquaintances as well: Those who can afford it start using a lot of the working time of poorer people.
am I at lemmy meme.ml? lol
“Make”? Are they not being paid?
I don’t use them myself but if someone wants to pay someone else to go pick up food for them who gives a shit?
I use Krogers delivery sometimes now. Prices are all the same as in store, and I don’t have to drive there and back. If I pick a strange time for delivery, say 2-3pm on a Tuesday, shipping is like $1.99. It would cost more in gas for me to do it myself, and if you order $200 worth of groceries, it saves a lot of time.
There is no way they are saving money doing it, it must just be to scrape up the possibility I don’t stop at ALDI because it’s closer to me.
Kroger also for the time being uses hourly paid workers for their delivery and I hope they stay that way. I really dislike the whole independent contractor crap that most of these delivery apps do and ends up just hurting the workers at the end of the day fighting over what little tips and etc.
I think that service is still subsidized by the stores. Also it’s very different from having a single meal delivered instantly. Grocery deliveries can be made by a whole truck for many houses.
Yeah the refrigerated truck I’m sure helps during the summer
white poor people work door dash all the time….
btw, MLK Jr started the poor people’s campaign shortly before he was assassinated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People’s_Campaignwhite poor people work door dash all the time….
sure and it’s a shitty job for them as well
Two things can be true. It’s a shitty job, but a job nonetheless, and we can also want those jobs to be less shitty.
Have you ever actually spoken to a gig worker? Because this comes off as some really strange white knighting.
If the middle man app wasn’t so exploitative, I don’t see what the issue is.
We’ve had delivery as a middle class job for decades with milkmen and paperboys, the issue is that those jobs aren’t paying living wages anymore.
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Seriously.
I advocate against using Doordash because it is overly expensive and that money is better spent paying down debt. But claiming it’s bad to pay someone to do a job for you? The fuck?
Yeah like why do you assume that “lower class” minorities are doing this work?
As a former white delivery driver fuck you op lol
Well look at Mr(s) Fancy Pants living somewhere walkable!
Cute you still think they’re a lower class than you.
the system thrives in creating subclasses so everyone can feel superior and want to preserve the system, less they become like “them”, because they are better than “then”.
I am on the side of every single working class person. Be that person without papers or a white male doctor. As long as they both have to work to subsist.
That fine but unless you own capital we’re all in the same class. We gotta trade our time or health to survive.
That’s what I said!
The meme doesn’t say that which is the context evryone else here is in.
Unless the doctor orders DoorDash, of course.
Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
More like one hour walking, any food would be long cold before I come home. And I don’t own a car. The delivery comes usually by motorcycle in something like 5 minutes in an specialized bag that keeps warm.
Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
Me when I am way too sick to cook let alone move
I’ve got friends that work on the corporate side of DD, and they tell me it’s super common for people to order things from places even closer than this. We figure it’s likely people that are high, but disabled is another possibility. Oh, and people in hotels ordering from places they can see from their room lol
I recently did that due to a leg injury and the fees hurt more than the leg. (I’m getting better)
Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
A lot of tech workers in San Francisco. They get paid enough that the $20 in fees doesn’t mean much and lazy / overworked enough to not go and get it themselves.
I assume door dash makes most of there money of those customers, rich / upper middle class people in big cities, as those people are the ones willing to pay the outrageous fees they charge.
Self righteous internet person:
“You should not be able to voluntarily work for some extra income because I find it distasteful.”
Yes instead of assigning blame where it belongs (who keeps wages so low necessitating the gig economy?), they decided to blame the consumer.
People that are stuck being reliant on gig jobs like doordash would be rather unhappy and become rapidly poorer if people decided to stop using these apps. But that’s what always happens. If buisness collapses the worker suffers and the CEO walks away rich.
OP really decided to make a class issue all about race
This is the redo of the rich person with all the cookies and two poor people fighting over one at the table. Except this person fell for being one of the poor people.
People that are stuck being reliant on gig jobs like doordash would be rather unhappy and become rapidly poorer if people decided to stop using these apps.
Sounds like one of those pro sweatshop arguments. The kids wouldn’t have jobs!!!
OP really decided to make a class issue all about race
I just copied this meme from reddit, I actually didn’t want to make it about race. Buuuut, there’s a lot of minorities doing the shit jobs, right? Curious
Buuuut, there’s a lot of minorities doing the shit jobs, right? Curious
Wait I thought you were shot? Makes sense you’d come back from the dead just to start race baiting bullshit again
Pretty bad look for you to turn my point about minorities being forced into shit jobs into a reference on charlie kirk
The right wing is full shit almost always, especially when they bring up ViRtUe SiGnaLlInG. Yet if they said it about you they’d be spot on.
op was punching up, you changed it to punching down.
Criticizing the old fart who cheats on his wife with a prostitute isn’t the same as criticizing the prostitute for trying to pay rent.
OP was always trying to punch down. The blame is on the wealthy not the average person ordering door dash.
I can promise you the door dasher and the consumer are both much more close economically than either are to the shareholders or CEO of doordash
The poor consumer has to order trash from temu where little children will be better off assembling the single use electronics.
Let the punching down continue!
That’s the bigotry of low expectations - poor people can’t be vegan, they have to order on temu etc…
Yes its the fault of the poors! You figured it out
Where did I say that. Also most people ordering delivery on the regular are pretty well off - at least more than they realize - because that shit isn’t cheap.
Two semi disabled folks here, the services are a godsend but I always tip. People don’t tip here, our last rider said we were the first tip in 3 days. :(
Tipping is communism, comrade.
It would be if the food service weren’t double-dipping. It’s like two layers of capitalism here.
Would be really cool if some craigslist style co-op popped up where people could just fulfill taskrabbit style stuff on their own, but there are lots of legal and safety concerns with that.
How often do you use delivery?
Once or twice per week, give or take, mostly for small supplemental grocery orders. I have a shop that’s close but sometimes I just can’t.
I feel like grocery orders are a totally different animal. They can be delivered in bulk with a truck, going from house to house. It’s totally possible to pay a good wage there. But the individualized a single driver can only deliver a single order at a specific time of day seems made for exploitation (Edit: There’s a sentence in there somewhere, sorry). You’re not going to earn a fair wage here because then it would have to cost as much as idk a visit to a barber.
Anyways, no hate towards you, it’s probably hard enough, I understand.
Yeah! We use Morrison’s delivery too which is different from Deliveroo (EU Doordash). I try to prioritise that. :)
Every three days if I had to guess
Okay, that’s just plain ol’, made up non-sense. No one in the USA walks
Duh
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The way you’re proud of 30 minutes of walking a day basically confirms their point.
I can’t see their comment but everyone should get some exercise in their day. I take a bus in my town which I acknowledge isn’t available to 90% of rural communities but getting out, even in the winter, and walking is good for you. I usually bike in the warmer months, again not always the best option in single family communities. Don’t blame me for Big Oil robbing you of fundamental ease of transportation
I wasn’t trying to ridicule or sound dismissive (but I accidentally did, I swear it wasn’t on purpose), it was just a bit funny to me that 30 minutes of walking a day counts as “actually we do walk around, even though I live in the most walkable county in the country”. Not funny in ha-ha sense, more like funny in “what the fuuuuck” sense.
And send a billionaire a third of your dinner money while you’re at it!
B bb but my parents haven’t taught me how to cook 50 cent of pasta with homebrand sauce :(
- Nothing wrong with a service existing.
- Racist to assume that only people belonging to a certain race use these apps.
- The apps are exploitative, sure. Advocate for better labor regulations here.
This is the equivalent of saying “don’t wanna make your own coffee? Go to Tim Hortons to be served by lower class Indians”. Same message, but with the racism highlighted.
I don’t mind the worker. It’s the exploitative employer I take issue with.
