It’s something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they’ve made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn’t seem true to me, or I think they’re genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn’t being considered.
What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?
Anti-Flag.
Absolutely sucks who Justin Sane turned out to be, but the music the group made together are still absolute bangers.
Louis CK. He was my favorite comedian, but the first special after ‘cancellation’ had all the hallmarks of a washed up has been with grievances. But he’s been back to his old form lately, and I still consider him the best comic of his generation.
Agreed. It’s like, we know he can do better but he just dumps out two or three very underwhelming specials. Like, is that how you want to bounce back from all that has happened with you? Just makes you look weaker. I took the opportunity to find different comics and listen to comics I ignored for years than just his.
It always gets me that Matthew Broderick killed two people in a car crash and got off with a $100 fine. I love Ferris Bueller’s day off, and I think he’s really talented, but like this happened just after that movie, and he just did not seem to be held to account for it.
Oh gosh I didn’t even know that.
Neil Gaiman. I’m afraid there won’t be a third season of Good Omens.
sandman was suppose to go on longer too, eventhough the comics was short. s2 seemed rushed.
Yes and no. The third season plan was scrapped and reduced to one final episode to wrap the story up. We’ll see how it goes.
Oh, gosh. Details, please!
There is a line, I don’t have to love and agree with them on everything to enjoy an actor, but I refuse to support predators. Things like David Harbor cheating on his wife or the things people slammed Paul Reubens for I could really care less about, and I don’t give a fuck about their politics so long as they aren’t doing shit like J.K. Rowling and actively trying to ruin lives, however people like Diddy, Gaiman (whom I had personally loved for years), or Jared Leto can fuck off and die.
Al Franken
was a coordinated hit job. What he did was immature but in no way sexual assault, but they knew that releasing it at the height of the Me Too movement would cause the purity-obsessed left to chase him out of office.
This is going to get buried, but I miss Bill Cosby, or rather my mental model of him before all that nastiness came out.
The Cosby Show is still a good classic show with a lot of humor and heart. It is tainted now though. Really creepy in retrospect that Cosby plays a doctor with exclusively female patients he sees in the basement
what ? lmao
Ugh, that was the scene I kept thinking of when it all came out
Understood. The TV show was totally hilarious.
this was my answer was well. i haven’t seen it in a while but his “himself” special was my favorite stand up ever
His early stand-up was what ignited my love of the format. “Himself” is a masterclass. Such a shame.
Tell him I said suck MY dick
It’s a struggle sometimes, but I think it’s the only real control we have.
It’s a case by case basis for me. Some actor being in a movie I like isn’t a big deal to me, but when someone has like huge creative control over something it’s like a visceral repulsion to me. I don’t want to take a piece of media into my experience with the subtext that the author touches kids or something. It’s not even just that I know these people do bad things, it’s that personal views shape how people make stories etc, and I’m not fond of putting that into my psyche. If they do some fucked up shit in the book, I want to be able to know it’s because this character is evil, not because the author is saying this is a normal healthy thing to do.
RHCP sucks because I think it’s pretty good music, and I was really into them when I was a teen, but given everything I know about them now it makes it impossible to enjoy their stuff now.
Neil Gaiman. I’m extremely depressed that he’s actually a POS, and because I loved his work so much, I’m conflicted. His work itself seemed to have well interrogated values woven into it’s fiber, but I guess you never can tell.
Edit: really fucking bummed about Red Hot Chili Peppers too
Same with his ex? Wife Amanda Palmer. I love the Dresden Dolls and she’s been very inspirational but knowing she was in on it was fucked up.
This broke my damn heart. His work seemed to have the values I hold dear and be so insightful and then… he’s getting in the bath with girls who depend on him for housing.
I am thinking that power corrupts. I came up with that but you can use that phrase if you want.
man, this was the worst. but he’s not getting another dollar from me, the bastard. at least he’s not fighting Terry Pratchett’s estate over Good Omens.
speaking of which, Terry seems to have been just a great guy and was better than Neil anyway. It’s really helped me to let Neil go.
Helllll yeah! Terry Pratchett, but also I’m keeping ALL celebrity at arms length without heavy vetting at this point
Pretty sure the Anthony Keides stuff was well known for decades. It’s in his autobiography that was published like 20 years ago or something.
He’s always been the worst part of that band
It has been! That’s why it’s even more fucking disgusting to me. It isn’t well known or talked about, fucking bastards just get a fucking pass sometimes and I hate it
I have a theory that all writers are somewhat hypocritical. As an amateur writer myself (I write fan fiction and am also working on original work I hope to get published eventually), I find sometimes the moral messages I try to weave into my work are sometimes messages that I myself am struggling to live up to and writing is a way of trying to work through that
I remember the moment news broke out, that I just got rid of all books he authored. The Sandman graphic novels, Coraline, American Gods, Stardust .etc
All I was looking forward to reading someday but nope.
If you had donated them, to a thrift store or maybe a library, it would’ve kept someone else from buying a new copy, which would give him money.
That’s what I’m struggling with. Throwing his content in the trash regardless of content 😩 I got sandman 1 omnibus for Christmas last year, ughhhhhh
If you want to feel better about ditching things, just donate them.
kiedis from scar tissue? or is there something new i missed?
Yeah, his memoir or whatever details him knowingly committing statutory of a 14 yo girl.
it will be hard pressed for me to enjoy something if the artist/actor got cancelled.
asian ytubers i used to enjoy, i think thier content is funny, but after they became covid denying, magaty, women hating(whole drama that started all this), they were dropped like a rock by most of thier fans, only the aprasocial groupies, and incels are left, the last time i visited the sub.
Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert. I have several of his print books and still enjoy reading them; ditto his old cartoons. They really spoke to me years ago, as a cubicle-coder.
hey, read the books you already own all you want. that doesn’t put anymore money in his pocket.
being “cancelled” doesn’t mean we stick our fingers in our ears and act like it didn’t happen. it just means being conscientious about funding the lives of people who are actively making the world a worse place.
this is a critical detail that I think people often miss
I think it’s wild that he’s the same man who made Dilbert trans and feminist in his tv show finale and it actually got kind of sincere.
‘The Dilbert Principle’ is a great book. It’s a shame he threw all that goodwill away.
I stopped liking dilbert when it became obvious that dilbert was becoming a side character so he could prop up PHB. Anything I’ve seen since then is just insufferable.
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I like the world building in Fifth Element and Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. But Luc Besson is probably a rapist and certainly a sexual assaulter. I’ll watch his old stuff I already own but won’t put any more money towards it nor support any new projects.
Edit: oh, also he’s not “cancelled”. He came out with another movie this year or last, if I recall. 9 times our of 10, celebrities that say they were “cancelled” just had their feefees hurt by people on social media.
Also a pedo. From his wiki page:
Besson’s second wife was actress and director Maïwenn Le Besco, whom he started dating when he was 32 and she was 15 after having met three years earlier.[46] They married in late 1992 when Le Besco, 16, was pregnant with their daughter Shanna, who was born on 3 January 1993.[47][deprecated source] Le Besco later claimed that their relationship inspired Besson’s film Léon (1994), where the plot involved the emotional relationship between an adult man and a 12-year-old girl (played by then 12-year-old Natalie Portman).
So not only is he a pedo, but he was proud enough of it he made a movie about it.
That knowledge makes the uncomfortableness in Léon so much worse…
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I don’t think the rich pedo needs you to defend him.
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yeah ok, creep. I don’t talk to pedos, so I’m blocking you immediately.
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michael jackson made incredible music. i don’t even know how much of the stuff about him is true but it does feel weird listening to his stuff now, even though it’s extremely well made.
I don’t think we’ll ever know. I have a feeling he actually wasn’t a pedophile at all, but just felt close to children because he had Peter Pan syndrome or something. He seemed very infantile to me is the only real sense I got of him. Strange person. But without question he did make some r really iconic music.
yeah that’s my impression as well. being a child star really fucks you up mentally.
then again i haven’t seen the documentaries.
I agree, and the thing is we can never really know what someone is like all the time even if we get to know some aspects of them well.
I’ve been shocked by things that some people I knew did, that I would never have thought they were capable of.
I hope that is not the case for MJ, but it might be. And we’ll likely never know.
Ehhhh, I’ve seen some pics of him being happily surrounded with people known for being sex pests/pedos so idk. Two things can be true, you know, he might have been mentally and developmentally different but he might have also touched some kids, sadly.
happily surrounded with people known for being sex pests/pedos so idk
He worked in the recording industry and Hollywood. It’s pretty hard to avoid in those businesses.
Fair and depressing.
I’ve heard rumors that he was either physically or chemically castrated to keep his beautiful, pure singing voice.
If that is the case, then it would kind of explain how fucked up he is, or how fucked up he was.
Oof. Didn’t he have kids though? Or is there a form of castration that doesn’t affect one’s ability to reproduce? Regardless, yeah, it doesn’t absolve him of his sins but let’s just say they’re attenuating factors for his judgement.
None of his kids are genetically his as far as I know.
Oop. Okay, yeah. Hurt people hurt people. 😕
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Wasn’t this the dude that dangled a baby out of a window?
His son. He dangled him when he was holding him on a balcony over the heads of fans. I don’t know why.
mj was something special if very fuken weird, but the maker of his best jams was quincy jones. if you don’t know him, spend some time investigating his catalog.
He was an incredibly talented artist. I think his father deserves most of the blame for Michael’s bizarre behavior. Most adults would struggle with the pressures of fame and performing that he spent his whole life under from the time he was like 10 years old. Joe recognized that his kids were talented and then proceeded to squeeze every last red cent he could out of them. No wonder Michael snapped.
The fact that he had to pay a family hush-money was incredibly suspicious enough.
I don’t give a shit about Michael Jackson. Except maybe his upbringing with his piece of shit father has had something to do with how he’d later behave. Glad Joe is dead.
If you’re a slightly creepy odd duck with large amounts of money, it’d make sense to pay a settlement rather than letting a case go to trial even if you’re innocent, because juries can be wayward, especially in civil cases, and the reputational damage can easily cost you more than the settlement. So I don’t buy the no smoke without fire theory, especially with the proven cases of shakedown artists abetted by contingency-fee slimebag lawyers.
I lean towards the view that MJ was a wrong 'un, but also wouldn’t be surprised if it came out that he was just a twisted, damaged, traumatized, socially isolated guy.
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The weird thing is that Kanye’s continual digging through the bedrock has made his art that much more poignant to me. Man went and made himself a Greek tragedy. “Run Away” indeed.
I had an argument with my nephew about Ye being a piece of shit. The next day he played me some of his amazing music.
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