Rubio says US not at war with Venezuela, as Maduro set to appear in New York court on Monday - live updates
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The secretary of state says the US will retain "multiple levers of leverage" if Venezuela's leaders don't "make the right decisions".
  • 🔰Hurling⚜️Durling🔱@lemmy.world
    123·
    3 months ago

    This sets an alarming precedent where a sitting us president can kidnap the acting head of another country (elected or not) which is an act of war, without the us being at war or having authorization from congress.

    • lennee@lemmy.world
      79·
      3 months ago

      see the logic is only the US can, anybody else cant even arrest netanyahu when he flies over their airspace cuz for some reason that would also be an act of war towards the US

    • Ooops@feddit.org
      20·
      3 months ago

      You seem to not understand the term precedent. Neither is that a new thing to do for the US nor is it actually requiring congress authorisation. They gave up that power long ago and now don’t need to autorise anything for up to 90 days.

      Also the US has not declared war once since WW2… They actually set the precedent for “military operations” and -again- not recently either.

        • PoisonTheWell@reddthat.com
          12·
          3 months ago

          Technically no. Congress passed the AUMF which let the President go after anyone they deemed complicit in 9/11. It did not declare war against specific nations iirc.

            • dustyData@lemmy.world
              2·
              3 months ago

              “I didn’t say it, I declared it!”

              But seriously, declaration of war is a legal term specific to each country internal law system. War, as a legal term, hasn’t actually been a thing either in international law since the 50s. It was changed to armed conflict. Which, before you think is stupid and why not call a spade a spade, is actually not that stupid. It created a well defined but much broader concept that (this is the important bit) is independent of a country’s internal law standing or diplomatic declarations thereof. If a situation fulfills the criteria, then it is an armed conflict whether the countries involved like it or declared it. It gives tools to nation states and international organizations to do certain things on the international stage more freely in these situations even when the countries involved don’t want them to.

  • beatnixxx@fedia.io
    40·
    3 months ago

    so you’re telling me the “peace president” started another war? Unpossible. /s

    • dustyData@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 months ago

      I like that line of thinking as much as the next guy, but it strikes me as wildly misguided that the US politics has reduced to that. Like, I get the symbolic aspects of the Epstein’s files for politics, but still think it is mindless engagement.

      An indisputably genuine video of Trump raping a literal toddler could be released tomorrow and nothing would change. Their support base and the gears of power are already too deeply entwined to his personality. No amount of public rage or national indignation changes governments.

  • YashaB@lemmy.world
    19·
    3 months ago

    Maduro is just as bad as Trump or Putin. Still it sets a very bad precedent when the US starts acting like Russia. Who will be next?

      • frongt@lemmy.zip
        2·
        3 months ago

        Idk I think if he was literally Hitler or worse it could be justified.

        But he wasn’t and isn’t, so it’s for sure wrong and unjustified.

        • dustyData@lemmy.world
          1·
          3 months ago

          I could argue that he is just as horrible as Hitler but just to a smaller set of people and that it is justified. But I also bet that wouldn’t change your mind. That’s the problem with crimes against humanity, suffering can’t be quantified. And it never would feel justified until it happens to you.

    • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 months ago

      Mexico, according to Trump.

      I’m skeptical though, since Mexico doesn’t famously have huge reserves of oil. Still, he does really hate brown people, so that might be enough.

        • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.comBanned
          1·
          3 months ago

          No, the main factor is how strong your state propaganda is against him.

          Long live Maduro and the Bolivarian revolution, death to America

      • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 months ago

        And they didn’t even do that most likely. And Russia is making such a big stink about it, meanwhile Dumbtits is sending Seal Team Six to break into a world leaders house and abduct his family.

        I’m so sick of morons being in charge. I’m sick of the people in charge thinking that we are all morons and can’t see what’s obvious. I’m also sick of pedophiles not getting imprisoned or shot.

  • Lembot_0006@programming.dev
    17·
    3 months ago

    Looks like the USA managed to buy the local army or something. Well, it went unexpectedly smoothly. Maduro really didn’t look like the elected president. Not sure if USA puppet would be better though…

  • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world
    1·
    3 months ago

    Compared to other actions the US has taken this is a very small scale strike.

    The dude just has to lie. It must be a compulsion at this point.