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I’ve been saying this for years. Satan is the good guy in the Bible.
“But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.”
― Mikhail Bakunin
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It’s almost as if the priest is suggesting that God wants us uneducated to be better subservient to him, and that seeking knowledge is punishable (by death technically).
Kinda the point of Satanism.
Monotheistic religion formed in a dialectical relationship with the state. Obedience to God reinforces obedience to the King. No gods no masters is quite literal. Monotheistuc religion is a superstructure created by the material conditions of nascent monarchical statehood that reinforces the conditions that created it.
Tangentially related, but specifically the religious people who are sure that you need religion to know good from evil and act morally genuinely scare me.
They’re just admitting they believe noone really tries to do the right thing for the right reasons. You know, like, these are the conventions we set so living in a society can even work. Some are coded in laws. Lots of them are implicitly agreed on.
But no, according to them instead we’re supposed to do it for fear of “bad afterlife” or of a spank from sky daddy.
That tells a lot more about what “moral” means to them than anything.
They’re just admitting they believe noone really try to do the right thing for the right reasons. You know, like, these are the conventions we set so living in a society can even work.
Worse, it suggests they have no empathy.
Sure, that too. But empathy is a rather complex matter.
I just can’t trust someone who can’t see any other reason than “because divine retribution” to treat others well.
“What’s stopping you from murdering and raping if you don’t have religion?”
"Absolutely nothing. I rape and murder exactly as many people as I want to. The number just happens to be 0. "
I’ve been saying this for years. If you are “being good” in order to appease a deity or to secure a comfortable afterlife, you aren’t a moral person. Goodness should be for its own sake. Do unto others isn’t about ensuring better treatment of yourself, its about treating people the way you wish to be treated yourself without the expectation of quid pro quo.
The apple was just sex-ed. They just over-euphemized it to make sure kids could read it, and now everyone gets confused. The apple probably wasn’t an apple originally, it was probably a pomegranate, a fruit known for dripping red all over you like blood, and the woman was the one who ate it. So to remove some of the whitewashing of the story, imagine a fully naked Eve with pomegranate juice dripping all over her body, kinda paints a different picture, right?
That’s very insightful.
So in other words the pomegranate dripping blood is allegory for her getting her starting her menstrual cycle, hence becoming a woman and being sexualized from now on?
I can see that. I had learned that most of Genesis shouldn’t be taken literally anyway. They’re mostly allegories or parables.
In text its just a “fruit” specifically the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The need some people have to identify it with a specific fruit is very strange to me.
Here’s the thing that doesn’t often get noted with this story - the Serpent tells the truth. God lies. And, again, the Serpent is the bad guy?
Most people won’t go beyond the “sepernt = bad” logic ingrained in human brain.
The gnostics figured out an explanation for this 2000 years ago.
According to them, the “God” who created the material world and is talked about in the Old Testament is an evil and/or ignorant lesser deity and that’s why the world sucks.
The “real” God rules over the immaterial (souls, knowledge, and the likes) and is called “the Invisible Spirit”.
Both the snake and later on Jesus were agents/emanations of this “Invisible Spirit” sent to bring knowledge (“gnosis” in Greek) to humanity in order to help them break free from the prison that is the material world.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that it doesn’t matter how logical and internally consistent your ideology is, the one who is more organized wins out in the end. This doesn’t have anything to do with any currently ongoing political situation. 🫠
You’re awesome. I came here to drop some Gnosis and here you’ve done all the heavy lifting.
Fuck Saklas!
Also, prior to the old testament being in the form it is today, the character that would become the one god was just a minor god within the Canaanite pantheon. A lot of the old testament makes more sense when read with that context.
Yep, Exodus 34:14 : “For thou shalt worship no other god; for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God”
This strongly implies that (in this theology) there are multiple gods if Jehovah/Elohim can be jealous.
“Genesis” is crap, start to finish.
Only in an age of no books could this religion flourish; only the Black Death broke their stranglehold of Europe.
Still tax free! So that’s nice.
Just as I thought it was going alright, I found out I’m wrong when I thought I was right. It’s always the same, it’s just a shame, that’s all.
He’s a brave kid to turn his back to a Catholic priest
That bonus panel has layers
I got the punchline about God having no morals and maybe needing a bite of the apple himself, but the bonus panel left me scratching. Care to explain to a slowpoke?
Lightning up the ass->penetration being a punishment for sins->priests having a very long history of paedophilia
Also the priest implying its a sin to even hear these questions, and that he would receive divine punishment too.
Edit: Right, and its a reference to the fact priests dont believe anyone should question things, just keep their head down like a good little lamb
to the slaughterhouseOh, I think “up the ass” is just general expression in this case. The fear of asking out of fear of retribution from an amoral tyrant as well as to preserve dogma is a good one though
See I always thought of the apple as being like Pandora’s box, to mix theologies. People were innocent and ignorant before it, living very simple, short, worry-free lives. Eve taking the apple is what opened the possibility for humanity to grow and ascribe meaning to our lives, to form societies and create great works, enabling the best of us to make and do so much more for the world but also enabling the worst of us to do far more terrible things. That’s the way I always interpreted that tale, as an expansion of humanity’s potential and responsibility
There’s no apple in this story.
Doesn’t say it wasn’t an apple!
Yeah, yeah we all know how dumb all religions are. Such a boring topic.
We have cool indigenous religions in Australia
Oh, we all know? Do tell.
